Give Templar's Mobility/Stronger Defense.

Zinaroth

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

jhharvest wrote: »

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zornyan wrote: »

What you don't have CC on pc? Jesus you guys got it hard, I mean it's impossible to imagine using something like javelin to knockback someone, and then quickly animation cancel to a dark flare for a strong initial attack....

Cannot animation cancel from spell (Javelin) to spell (Dark Flare). Dark Flare cast point is 1.1s. Projectile flight is 0.3s. Enemy will dodge. Unless you run the stam morph of Javelin on your magicka Templar and the enemy doesn't CC break.

I'm missing your point Snipe has a 1 case time with up to a full 1 second in the air and people don't dodge all of those.

Snipe doesn't come with the benefit of being a templar ability, meaning a big ass telegraph alerting people that damage is incoming. :P

Minno

Zinaroth wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

jhharvest wrote: »

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zornyan wrote: »

What you don't have CC on pc? Jesus you guys got it hard, I mean it's impossible to imagine using something like javelin to knockback someone, and then quickly animation cancel to a dark flare for a strong initial attack....

Cannot animation cancel from spell (Javelin) to spell (Dark Flare). Dark Flare cast point is 1.1s. Projectile flight is 0.3s. Enemy will dodge. Unless you run the stam morph of Javelin on your magicka Templar and the enemy doesn't CC break.

I'm missing your point Snipe has a 1 case time with up to a full 1 second in the air and people don't dodge all of those.

Snipe doesn't come with the benefit of being a templar ability, meaning a big ass telegraph alerting people that damage is incoming. :P

Not to mention, reflect able by DKs.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Zinaroth wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

jhharvest wrote: »

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zornyan wrote: »

What you don't have CC on pc? Jesus you guys got it hard, I mean it's impossible to imagine using something like javelin to knockback someone, and then quickly animation cancel to a dark flare for a strong initial attack....

Cannot animation cancel from spell (Javelin) to spell (Dark Flare). Dark Flare cast point is 1.1s. Projectile flight is 0.3s. Enemy will dodge. Unless you run the stam morph of Javelin on your magicka Templar and the enemy doesn't CC break.

I'm missing your point Snipe has a 1 case time with up to a full 1 second in the air and people don't dodge all of those.

Snipe doesn't come with the benefit of being a templar ability, meaning a big ass telegraph alerting people that damage is incoming. :P

Snipe is the only real burst damage for the bow and it takes a full second can be bashed. Not only that it had your stand and aim your bow in the air with a light blue straight back to the Archer. That's a telegraph and a tracer.

Templar power are not it's has a one second cast time, range damage and telegraphs while leave to the caster it's the closest power to Dark Flare and people still complain about it so if one power can do it why another.

Minno wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

jhharvest wrote: »

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zornyan wrote: »

What you don't have CC on pc? Jesus you guys got it hard, I mean it's impossible to imagine using something like javelin to knockback someone, and then quickly animation cancel to a dark flare for a strong initial attack....

Cannot animation cancel from spell (Javelin) to spell (Dark Flare). Dark Flare cast point is 1.1s. Projectile flight is 0.3s. Enemy will dodge. Unless you run the stam morph of Javelin on your magicka Templar and the enemy doesn't CC break.

I'm missing your point Snipe has a 1 case time with up to a full 1 second in the air and people don't dodge all of those.

Snipe doesn't come with the benefit of being a templar ability, meaning a big ass telegraph alerting people that damage is incoming. :P

Not to mention, reflect able by DKs.

Both Dark Flare and Snipe can be reflected by Dragon Knights

zornyan

And snipe has the most obvious sound animation ever, a big "hey an arrow is coming your way" sound

Molag_Crow

zornyan wrote: »

And snipe has the most obvious sound animation ever, a big "hey an arrow is coming your way" sound

I usually have music on when PvPing so I get owned by Snipe if I'm not aware of it in time to dodge roll lol

cazlonb16_ESO

Why are you even talking about Dark Flare ? Nobody uses it in PvP, ever.

PS: The problem with Nova is that in many situations in Cyrodiil you simply can't place the GtAoE and that is a huge advantage for meteor.

Molag_Crow

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

Why are you even talking about Dark Flare ? Nobody uses it in PvP, ever.

It was brilliant before IC update. 2 Dark Flares and Radiant Oppression = BOOM, unless the target had a lot spell resist of course.

Now? it sucks, so yeah.. I stopped using it ages ago, even though major defile is still important in certain situations but in most situations, it can get you killed.. meh

cazlonb16_ESO

Maybe it was a thing on the US server, EU side the last time I've seen it used for more than novelty was like 1.3.

DanTeales_Inferno

Dark flare is really nice if used right. I use it in a rotation where I have 2 empowers, 2 dots, a heal debuff and a stun. You just have to be careful when you use it.

zornyan

CrowsDescend wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

And snipe has the most obvious sound animation ever, a big "hey an arrow is coming your way" sound

I usually have music on when PvPing so I get owned by Snipe if I'm not aware of it in time to dodge roll lol

Fatal mistake lol, I honestly couldn't play any sort of pvp based game with music on, I get too used to relying on sounds etc to help get a feel of what's going on.

Plus my turtle beaches sound is just too crisp to not listen to.

I still think dark flare has its place, like all good skills just spamming it will end your life, even wrecking blow spammed are pretty useless as all you have to do is walk through them, but use it in the right situation and you've got a seriously hard hitter.

Molag_Crow

I still can't believe that Dark Talons (without eclipse slotted) absolutely dominates us. If they spam it, we can't turn to face them to jab them while they spam lava whip over and over until you spamheal yourself to 0 magicka.

kayPOW

*Is a Magicka DK*

I haven't played Templar, but I trust you guys.

I feel your pain. We also need a buff.

Hiero_Glyph

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I still can't believe that Dark Talons (without eclipse slotted) absolutely dominates us. If they spam it, we can't turn to face them to jab them while they spam lava whip over and over until you spamheal yourself to 0 magicka.

Don't worry, we have Eclipse as a CC. It's like the same thing, right? [/sarcasm]

Molag_Crow

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I still can't believe that Dark Talons (without eclipse slotted) absolutely dominates us. If they spam it, we can't turn to face them to jab them while they spam lava whip over and over until you spamheal yourself to 0 magicka.

Don't worry, we have Eclipse as a CC. It's like the same thing, right? [/sarcasm]

dodgehopper_ESO

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I still can't believe that Dark Talons (without eclipse slotted) absolutely dominates us. If they spam it, we can't turn to face them to jab them while they spam lava whip over and over until you spamheal yourself to 0 magicka.

Don't worry, we have Eclipse as a CC. It's like the same thing, right? [/sarcasm]

I've been wanting Eclipse to be good since I started playing. I wouldn't mind if it functioned like Talons (Spammable and they can roll out of it as a soft cc), the problem is its treated like hard cc and it is also able to be purged. The fact it can now only target one enemy is even more annoying, and really makes it overly situational in mass pvp. Everyone knows it is a bugged skill, even opposing players. The only time it has a use is where you can time cc's on your enemy, which is generally only feasible in a 1v1 or very small scale situation. I wish Eclipse were as good as the npc version (which actually treats it like a cc).

AfkNinja

kayPOW wrote: »

*Is a Magicka DK*

I haven't played Templar, but I trust you guys.

I feel your pain. We also need a buff.

I think Dragon Knight and Templar are in a very similar situation where one of our builds is fine for pvp leading to people thinking both roles are fine. All in all I put DK and Templar on equal footing both classes needing the most adjustments.

In PVP:

Stamina DK > Stamina Templar
Magicka Templar > Magicka DK

Magicka Templar is in a decent spot, mostly just needs bug fixes and a few tweaks, Stamina DK I also feel is in a pretty decent spot needing only minor tweaks. In pvp though there is no reason to chose Stamina Templar over any other Stamina class and same for Magicka DK, there's just no point as too much of the class revolves around mechanics that only work in PVE. For Stamina Templars we lose all our healing and heal passives, for Magic DK all the DOT's are useless. Fix Magicka DK for PVP, fix Stamina Templar for pvp.

Zinaroth

AfkNinja wrote: »

kayPOW wrote: »

*Is a Magicka DK*

I haven't played Templar, but I trust you guys.

I feel your pain. We also need a buff.

I think Dragon Knight and Templar are in a very similar situation where one of our builds is fine for pvp leading to people thinking both roles are fine. All in all I put DK and Templar on equal footing both classes needing the most adjustments.

In PVP:

Stamina DK > Stamina Templar
Magicka Templar > Magicka DK

Magicka Templar is in a decent spot, mostly just needs bug fixes and a few tweaks, Stamina DK I also feel is in a pretty decent spot needing only minor tweaks. In pvp though there is no reason to chose Stamina Templar over any other Stamina class and same for Magicka DK, there's just no point as too much of the class revolves around mechanics that only work in PVE. For Stamina Templars we lose all our healing and heal passives, for Magic DK all the DOT's are useless. Fix Magicka DK for PVP, fix Stamina Templar for pvp.

While everything you said is true I still think it's fair to say that while magicka templars are better than magicka DKs, stamina DKs are leagues ahead of magicka templars.

DKs surely need a buff, but if we're talking strictly PvP, you're still way better off with a DK than you will ever be with a Templar. The best Templar PvP builds doesn't even come close to the best DK builds.

Solariken

For starters, I think it would be great if they added Minor Expedition (10% increase to movement speed) to Piercing Spear (or any Aedric Spear passive). I think this little boost would go a long way toward helping survivability and it would be unique because I'm pretty sure no other class has something like this.

Zinaroth

Solariken wrote: »

For starters, I think it would be great if they added Minor Expedition (10% increase to movement speed) to Piercing Spear (or any Aedric Spear passive). I think this little boost would go a long way toward helping survivability and it would be unique because I'm pretty sure no other class has something like this.

What do you mean? Like a permanent 10% movement speed increase or?