Sorcs are mean and need to stop crying over a set ;)

killingspreeb16_ESO

iTzStevey wrote: »

melodeath wrote: »

made a diffrent topic regarding the shields and also said that they should redo the shields instead of making a hard counter through a set.. 10+ sorcs said l2p and today went for the set and killed the emperor (sorc) with a few light attacks while he didnt know what to do all of sudden.

now you see dozens of topics from sorcs who all copied their build from a 5 second google search who all of sudden turned into "skilled" players while telling others to "adapt and l2p"

now you see those same sorcs whining about people who actually adapted to their lame playstyle with this set.

Equipping a set and spamming light attack is hardly adapting, nevermind skilled play.

All the people that ive seen whining about sorcs are either

A) Nightblades that can't handle pressure whatsoever because they sit in stealth all day spamming snipe and raging because they cant kill them in one hit.

People that have never played a sorc enough to actually understand it.

Sure, sorcs can be powerful enemies, 10k shield though? you can hit 13k+ wrecking blows,6k+ ransacks, 15k+ snipe,10k surprise attacks, and people with stam builds complaining about shield stacking? Sure healing ward can be a pain but believe it or not...sorc is not the only class that uses it (OMG dat info :O ) and the only other shield sorcs use dont affect you in any way,shape or form.

And lame playstyle? How about the ONLY playstyle available to the class?

How about a set that makes you unable to cloak/enter stealth for the remainder of the fight?
Or a set that makes templars unable heal? Or a dk thats unable to heal or takes away 100% of their resistances?

shield stacking is broken stop try to defending it,and those dmg number are pre patch,since i never got hit by wrecking blow more than 5k and surprise attack usually crit for 4k-4.8k(crit)

(on shield you can't even crit so)

SturgeHammer

Tonturri wrote: »

I have a mind-blowing suggestion.

How about we


Actually balance shields instead of playing around with a terribly thought out mechanic

On an almost unrelated note, I wrecking blow spammed my way through a shield spammers defenses on my DK that took ~5min to switch over from magicka build, so I really don't know what's wrong with shields, but...yeah. Can't we all agree to think up good solutions for problems instead of arguing pointlessly over the bad solutions implemented by ZOS?

Can't remember which live show it was on, maybe the first one the Eric Wrobel talked about the set that is now shield breaker, but on that show it was clearly stated that they were looking to itemization as an avenue for balancing shields and any other mechanic they need to balance In the future instead of straight up nerfs.



Okay now tin foil hat time. I think that the reason for ZOS's unwillingness to change class/weapon/guild skills is that there are dependencies on these abilities that run deeply through already/partially complete DLC content. They are working so far ahead that there is no room for flexibility. Any alteration now would have to be propagated through all of the finished content, which would be way more work than simply adding a mechanic hoser. Expect to see more mechanic hosers now, like shield breaker, and real fixes after a few more content releases. For the same reason we will likely not see the end of vet rank increase until next fall (guessing that they are working about a year ahead of the live build).

azoriangaming

would you call it balance to have this set only in MA only? I'm not saying shield stacking is not broken because it clearly was a issue previously but to do a set as good as this one and only have it in medium kinda defeats the object of balance imo

killingspreeb16_ESO

rdbrown1987 wrote: »

would you call it balance to have this set only in MA only? I'm not saying shield stacking is not broken because it clearly was a issue previously but to do a set as good as this one and only have it in medium kinda defeats the object of balance imo

Is bad design,but the problem is some sorc player just want this set removed no change to shieldstacking or "you can have this set but sorc then need some buff"(while in my opinion they are currently the best class) or CC the sorc and then get the kill but this is something that work against everyone

CC and kill the nb before he cloak away
CC and kill the templar before he can heal to full etc.

Both shieldbreaker and shieldstacking are bad design.
Would you call balance to remove the only counter to shieldstacking without adding a new one?or change how shieldstacking work?

azoriangaming

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

rdbrown1987 wrote: »

would you call it balance to have this set only in MA only? I'm not saying shield stacking is not broken because it clearly was a issue previously but to do a set as good as this one and only have it in medium kinda defeats the object of balance imo

Is bad design,but the problem is some sorc player just want this set removed no change to shieldstacking or "you can have this set but sorc then need some buff"(while in my opinion they are currently the best class) or CC the sorc and then get the kill but this is something that work against everyone

CC and kill the nb before he cloak away
CC and kill the templar before he can heal to full etc.

Both shieldbreaker and shieldstacking are bad design.
Would you call balance to remove the only counter to shieldstacking without adding a new one?or change how shieldstacking work?

no I totally agree but what i'm saying is that this set should've been a crafted set in all LA,MA,HA to bring balance currently on MA users can wear this set.

I really don't know myself where they can go from here without breaking the games play how you want to play motto to be honest.

The reason while sorcs atm imo are so upset are they thought they was skilled players until the shield stack build went away and are slowly realising there nothing without their shields because they don't want to adapt to a new play style, it's a bit like how dk's used to be the best class in pvp back in the day and they all cried about being brought into line with other classes, even though I do feel bad for dk atm they need some love lol.

Hexys

Just give the shield breaker set a small cooldown (2-4 seconds), 1v1 It's a fair set against a sorc, but several targets with this set against a single sorc is to much.

There are also players that weave light attacks inbetween their rotations, no problem as you probably know what you are doing and the shield breaker set is not your win, just an extra. But no respect for the weighted bow players spamming only light attacks and Snipe.

Does the set work on overload light attacks?

ToRelax

Hexys wrote: »

Just give the shield breaker set a small cooldown (2-4 seconds), 1v1 It's a fair set against a sorc, but several targets with this set against a single sorc is to much.

There are also players that weave light attacks inbetween their rotations, no problem as you probably know what you are doing and the shield breaker set is not your win, just an extra. But no respect for the weighted bow players spamming only light attacks and Snipe.

Does the set work on overload light attacks?

Yes it does.

Hexys

ToRelax wrote: »

Hexys wrote: »

Just give the shield breaker set a small cooldown (2-4 seconds), 1v1 It's a fair set against a sorc, but several targets with this set against a single sorc is to much.

There are also players that weave light attacks inbetween their rotations, no problem as you probably know what you are doing and the shield breaker set is not your win, just an extra. But no respect for the weighted bow players spamming only light attacks and Snipe.

Does the set work on overload light attacks?

Yes it does.

Interesting hahahhaha XD

azoriangaming

ToRelax wrote: »

Hexys wrote: »

Just give the shield breaker set a small cooldown (2-4 seconds), 1v1 It's a fair set against a sorc, but several targets with this set against a single sorc is to much.

There are also players that weave light attacks inbetween their rotations, no problem as you probably know what you are doing and the shield breaker set is not your win, just an extra. But no respect for the weighted bow players spamming only light attacks and Snipe.

Does the set work on overload light attacks?

Yes it does.

that's awesome to know ^^

Kryank

What this set has done is make more sorcerers look at other alternatives, wait for all the tears when more change to Stam, 40k stamina and 4k weapon damage on a sorc ain't no joke. Then you will wish that shield spamming was back !!

eliisra

Getting wrecked by Shield Breaker on both NB and templar, so would be cool if people stopped talking about the "hunting sorcerer set" lol.

I use the light armor shield fairly frequently, ironically because of all magicka sorcerers. Than some little shitface from above always attacks me with physical attacks + Shield Breaker proc's from weaving in light. So I take full dmg from his Snipe or other stamina based skill, since Harness Magicka/Dampen Magic only protects against spell dmg. But I also take 2k dmg on top of that from his light attacks, it's slightly infuriating

Merlin13KAGL

Hexys wrote: »

Just give the shield breaker set a small cooldown (2-4 seconds), 1v1 It's a fair set against a sorc, but several targets with this set against a single sorc is to much.

There are also players that weave light attacks inbetween their rotations, no problem as you probably know what you are doing and the shield breaker set is not your win, just an extra. But no respect for the weighted bow players spamming only light attacks and Snipe.

Does the set work on overload light attacks?

Give it a debuff effect, one that's not overwritable by another person until the timer has expired. Similar, in a sense to how Curse used to work.

Anyone could cast it, but only one individual's damage would count at one time. (FIrst on wearing the set gets the set benefit, but his 10 buddies wearing the set do not until his is no longer active.)

OL Light attacks work, but seems kind of a waste, given the damage they do outright, as opposed to the damage they do via shieldbreaker's irresistable.

Septimus_Magna

Kryank wrote: »

What this set has done is make more sorcerers look at other alternatives, wait for all the tears when more change to Stam, 40k stamina and 4k weapon damage on a sorc ain't no joke. Then you will wish that shield spamming was back !!

Thats true and probably a good thing. The point why so many sorcs have problems with this set is due to the fact that there are not many other viable ways to defend yourself in pvp. The class spells will always be the deciding factor because they tend to be stronger and the other classes dont have access to them. To survive shieldbreaker you need to slot at least 3 healing spells which all come from the healing staff skill line. If sorcs would have a decent class burst or dot heal the issue would have been much smaller.

Sorcs get one class spell to defend themselves which is Hardened Ward. Now there's a set that is designed to punish the use of shields like Hardened Ward but what else is there for sorcs to survive? Only mediocre weapon skills that arent even supported by any of the sorc passives.

I have been playing a sorc since beta and its still my favourite class but this either the shieldbreaker set needs to change or sorcs should get decent class heals and/or defensive spells.

To put this in perspective for NBs, fighting someone with shieldbreaker as sorc is like fighting someone with a 24/7 detect pot as a NB.

Xeven

Am Sorc. Am Mean. Can confirm.

BalticBlues

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

To put this in perspective for NBs,
fighting someone with shieldbreaker as sorc
is like fighting someone with a 24/7 detect pot as a NB.

+1

Moreover, detect pots have been nerfed considerably to help NBs.
The shieldbreaker also is meant primarily for NBs as a tool against other classes.

Recently, other classes have to suffer for pimping NBs up.
Have NBs really been that bad? No, they were alive and kicking.
However, the other classes and the game balance now are deteriorating.

PLEASE ZOS: Remove that Shield Breaker set from the console DLC release
before more harm is done. Please take your time and rethink this approach.

killingspreeb16_ESO

BalticBlues wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

To put this in perspective for NBs,
fighting someone with shieldbreaker as sorc
is like fighting someone with a 24/7 detect pot as a NB.

+1

Moreover, detect pots have been nerfed considerably to help NBs.
The shieldbreaker also is meant primarily for NBs as a tool against other classes.

Recently, other classes have to suffer for pimping NBs up.
Have NBs really been that bad? No, they were alive and kicking.
However, the other classes and the game balance now are deteriorating.

PLEASE ZOS: Remove that Shield Breaker set from the console DLC release
before more harm is done. Please take your time and rethink this approach.

and what you add to counter shieldstacking?something need to be done to shieldstacking.
detect pots needed a nerf 43 sec was overkill,and NB atleast stamina is nerfed in this patch (like every other stamina build)maybe just stamina sorc are better now than 1.6

Kobaal

Guys Guys......

Stop using weighted bows. Use the bows with the Enchantment Cooldown. Then for your enchantment use the one that gives like 440 Unresistable damage. Now your shieldbreaker + enchant will do 2440 damage through the shields.

Your welcome.

Waffennacht

Im tired of being lumped into the shield stacking stack hehe...

But I love my sorc, the only thing that really made me happy was, if correct, you can block it.

Woo hoo! Can someone please confirm this?

Remember only a small percentage of players will use this set (come on guys we all know forum goers are better than non and we are a very small percentage of the player base)

I can see where Im going to have to change but im more than willing to

CP5

Waffennacht wrote: »

Im tired of being lumped into the shield stacking stack hehe...

But I love my sorc, the only thing that really made me happy was, if correct, you can block it.

Woo hoo! Can someone please confirm this?

Remember only a small percentage of players will use this set (come on guys we all know forum goers are better than non and we are a very small percentage of the player base)

I can see where Im going to have to change but im more than willing to

Its irresistible damage so I don't think blocking will do anything. Also it isn't a bad set even without the 5th piece, so 'only a small percentage' seems unlikely. Also if you're either a. A sorc or b. not liking this set then you must be a easy mode fotm shield stacker, apparently.

apostate9

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Force-Siphon wrote: »

Had a lot of fun fighting u with shield breaker it was an interesting challenge and I knew you had to be focused over anyone else if I saw you...good stuff bc I didn't feel like you were griefing. It's really hard to fight right now bc the update is like a week old, I don't feel like I've exhausted all possibilities for counters yet...only scratching the surface so far.

LADIES AND GENTLEMAN! A TRUE SORC! ^-^

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Yes, because sorcs have other options to survive, oh wait, they dont..

Damn! I am going to write ZOS a strongly worded letter on your behalf. I hadn't heard that sorcs are now forbidden to wear armor, slot vigor, get stamina, use a healing staff, learn to dodge, sorc streak, use retreating maneuvers, or use a sword and shield. That sucks! I'm so very sorry man! If only you could use the same defensive tactics as other classes, you wouldn't be in such bad shape , but with the new rules in place for sorc... wow. That sucks.

Kobaal

From my experiences so far using shieldbreaker:

Bad sorcs: get wrecked
Good Sorcs: Bolt escape more than 3x and run away
Great Sorcs: Dont use shields and burn/cc me down

BalticBlues

apostate9 wrote: »

If only you could use the same defensive tactics as other classes, you wouldn't be in such bad shape

You still did not get it? The Shield Breaker set does not only break Sorcs,
it breaks all classes with shields and as such it breaks PVP.
Perhaps we all should reroll as NB now? Perhaps then ZOS finally could balance this game?

Xeven

I think it's time I had my apostate removed.

killingspreeb16_ESO

BalticBlues wrote: »

apostate9 wrote: »

If only you could use the same defensive tactics as other classes, you wouldn't be in such bad shape

You still did not get it? The Shield Breaker set does not only break Sorcs,
it breaks all classes with shields and as such it breaks PVP.
Perhaps we all should reroll as NB now? Perhaps then ZOS finally could balance this game?

This set is not NB only you know?Sorc pointing NB nothing new

Kobaal

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

apostate9 wrote: »

If only you could use the same defensive tactics as other classes, you wouldn't be in such bad shape

You still did not get it? The Shield Breaker set does not only break Sorcs,
it breaks all classes with shields and as such it breaks PVP.
Perhaps we all should reroll as NB now? Perhaps then ZOS finally could balance this game?

This set is not NB only you know?Sorc pointing NB nothing new

I think he is saying roll NB becuase NB doesnt have a class shield ability. They rely on dodge (Blur) or dodge rolling. For example, shieldbreaker will porc on DKs using igneous shield, etc...

Although its my firm belief that people that dont understand the mechanics of this game and its classes will always have issues regardless of what class they re-roll.

killingspreeb16_ESO

Kobaal wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

apostate9 wrote: »

If only you could use the same defensive tactics as other classes, you wouldn't be in such bad shape

You still did not get it? The Shield Breaker set does not only break Sorcs,
it breaks all classes with shields and as such it breaks PVP.
Perhaps we all should reroll as NB now? Perhaps then ZOS finally could balance this game?

This set is not NB only you know?Sorc pointing NB nothing new

I think he is saying roll NB becuase NB doesnt have a class shield ability. They rely on dodge (Blur) or dodge rolling. For example, shieldbreaker will porc on DKs using igneous shield, etc...

Although its my firm belief that people that dont understand the mechanics of this game and its classes will always have issues regardless of what class they re-roll.

People like them or don't understand or simply don't care,they want their weakness removed,i can understand the fact shieldbreaker is not affecting only people who are shieldstacker and i can support their opinion about that,but ask to remove (or nerf in to oblivion)shieldbreaker the only counter to shieldstacking without adding a new one is not resonable to me.

Magika NB use shield too so even NB are affected by this set.(in a less manner but still)

Waffennacht

I figured once they created the item it was here to stay. At best maybe a change in it will occur. Could we be happy with a full 1 or 2 sec cool down?

SneaK

Does this set apply to absorbing shields like Harness Magicka?

Or, buff type shields like Channeled Focus?

FriedEggSandwich

So I've been playing around with heavy armour, luckily I leveled it up to 38 when I first started the game so I have all the useful passives. I simply replaced my v16 Breeches of Torug's Pact with v16 Greaves of Torugs Pact, made them reinforced, yellow etc.

I also made room on my bars for Bound Aegis; it takes the place that Degeneration/Power Surge would take on bar 1 and replaces Dampen Magic on bar 2. On top of that I'm also making use of the Major Resolve and Major Ward buffs from Boundless Storm, attempting to keep this active at all times. The thinking behind this build is not to counter the Shieldbreaker set but simply to be less squishy when my ward breaks allowing me to spam it less, give me time to heal and also to compensate for the loss of my 6k Dampen Magic. I'm trying guys, I'm trying. I'm also hoping it will help in the 1v1s against stam NBs cos they eventually drain my stamina so that I can't cc break and then burst me down, I want to be able to survive that burst.

The only downside to this setup I can see at the moment is that I lost about 80 magicka regen and some penetration from losing 1 piece of light armour, and I now have to rely on spell pots for my Major Sorcery buff because I lost Degeneration/Power Surge.

Having said that it's produced some interesting results; my spell damage is the same, my max magicka has gone up and I now have physical and spell resistance figures I have never seen on this character before. You medium and heavy users might still sneer but I was impressed. Who needs nirnhoned? Here is a screenie for proof:



Edit: link to full size image: i.imgur.com/XzVwPBx.jpg

Initial testing against groups of npcs in the IC sewers has been good. I'm now only using Boundless Storm and Hardened Ward and occasionally Healing Ward when I get low, but also keeping Rapid Regen active at all times. I do feel very sustainable while still able to do nice damage. Now to go find someone wearing shieldbreaker, or just any stam NB really, to see what happens. Btw if any seasoned medium and heavy users think those resistance numbers are still poor/useless please let me know and I'll go back to 7 light, it's just that my physical resistance in 7 light is only 4300.

ToRelax

Kobaal wrote: »

From my experiences so far using shieldbreaker:

Bad sorcs: get wrecked
Good Sorcs: Bolt escape more than 3x and run away
Great Sorcs: Dont use shields and burn/cc me down

So let me get this clear:

Only "bad" players die to your counter against them.
You are able to force "good" players to run away with this set.
And even while you have slotted a counter against them and live in the world of slow motion combat that is 2.1, "great" players kill you without even using their class defense.

So after showing us you are not a "great" player yourself, you somehow try to justify your counter against them by the fact they are so much better than you that you still get wrecked. Doesn't sound like a logical argument to say the least.