Sorcs are mean and need to stop crying over a set ;)

Force-Siphon

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

melodeath wrote: »

the only sorcs that complain are the ones that just stack a shield and expect everything to die infront of them..

if you would only put 1 little tiny healing abbility on your bar while still stacking those shields while having a tiny bit more health/armor/whatever.. than the shield breaker set doesnt do a thing since wardened+resto ward+mutagen/regen makes it so that by the time you get low your little resto ward will heal you full again since your beeing spammed by light attacks making those shields not go low.

its only fun to use the breaker set to annoy some sorcs that are used to doing the shield spamming while having no clue about anything else..and thats a fact since im litterly seeing this forum beeing full of them whining about 2k hits that require light attack spamming.

there are decent sorcs out there that still shield stack and actually use a bit more of their class uttility in order to not be bothered about shield breaker..

Rapid Regen is a poor heal now, Quick Siphon relies on you being offensive and only returns 450hp per hit, the only way to get through a single assualt from this set is to spam Healing Springs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZlzRqtwBgI

Yeah I have tested the different heals we have access to and I know some ppl are running surge + rapid regen but I definitely think illustrious healing is the way to go right now. Ppl think that sorcs haven't been running heals and that is false, we used healing ward which does not pass the test for us anymore. I've also tried blessing of restoration and illustrious healing always works better then getting the burst heal. I've been coupling it with structured entropy...I personally don't run surge bc the heal isn't completely reliable and I don't run a really high spell crit build.

I'm definitely not the expert on this issue...I think the vid from legendary mage contributes a lot, tbh I've run into probably like 5-6 players running the full set so far. One thing I've found is defensive rune can also be used when someone is spamming the light attacks to give u a second to heal/ focus...the issue with this for me though has generally been sacrificing another skill.

This set should have been magicka based as opposed to stamina tho...right now I've found magicka builds have the hardest time getting through the shields as opposed to the high burst we are seeing from stam. I've fought stam NBs for example who have been hitting me with 7-8k ambushes and can just basically surf you.

ToRelax

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

From the next thread...

ToRelax wrote: »

If anyone wants to actually show me in a duel on pts, how a magicka Sorc can survive against a good player with shieldbreaker... just tell me...

simple... dont use a shield the dude is now low on a 5 peice set so he is vunrable.

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

From the next thread...

ToRelax wrote: »

If anyone wants to actually show me in a duel on pts, how a magicka Sorc can survive against a good player with shieldbreaker... just tell me...

stop to facetank people,many sorc here fail to realize that set is useless against everyone who don't rely on shield and is useless against good sorc,since they are not target dummy try to light attack a good sorc who know how to use a cc or put pressure you will die in 5 sec,many sorc in all those thread are the one who keep reapply shield when they healt drop without move from melee range and then coming to the forum and QQ about how they die against shieldbreaker.

the problem here is the fact there is no counter to shield NO ONE if shieldstacking was counterable by some skill plus this set then yeah this set was overkill,but currently except to wear 5 pieces of a set avaible only to stamina user and you lose another good 5 set and make you weaker against other build.

for me they should rework this set and change how shieldstacking work or made some skill to counter shields.

Yes, great suggestions (not), should be easy enough to show me in a duel right?
Just create a Sorc on pts and show me... since it's so easy... >_>

is so easy to what?to not die to shieldbreaker? dunno blink away from melee range?

@ZOS rework this set and change or add some other counter to shields otherwise our Sorc Overlord will be never happy.

I just hope whoever from ZOS reads this realizes the hypocrisy in these threads, when people are avoiding an answer everytime I ask them to actually show me how to deal with this set.

killingspreeb16_ESO

ToRelax wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

From the next thread...

ToRelax wrote: »

If anyone wants to actually show me in a duel on pts, how a magicka Sorc can survive against a good player with shieldbreaker... just tell me...

simple... dont use a shield the dude is now low on a 5 peice set so he is vunrable.

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

From the next thread...

ToRelax wrote: »

If anyone wants to actually show me in a duel on pts, how a magicka Sorc can survive against a good player with shieldbreaker... just tell me...

stop to facetank people,many sorc here fail to realize that set is useless against everyone who don't rely on shield and is useless against good sorc,since they are not target dummy try to light attack a good sorc who know how to use a cc or put pressure you will die in 5 sec,many sorc in all those thread are the one who keep reapply shield when they healt drop without move from melee range and then coming to the forum and QQ about how they die against shieldbreaker.

the problem here is the fact there is no counter to shield NO ONE if shieldstacking was counterable by some skill plus this set then yeah this set was overkill,but currently except to wear 5 pieces of a set avaible only to stamina user and you lose another good 5 set and make you weaker against other build.

for me they should rework this set and change how shieldstacking work or made some skill to counter shields.

Yes, great suggestions (not), should be easy enough to show me in a duel right?
Just create a Sorc on pts and show me... since it's so easy... >_>

is so easy to what?to not die to shieldbreaker? dunno blink away from melee range?

@ZOS rework this set and change or add some other counter to shields otherwise our Sorc Overlord will be never happy.

I just hope whoever from ZOS reads this realizes the hypocrisy in these threads, when people are avoiding an answer everytime I ask them to actually show me how to deal with this set.

you just refuse to listen,so this set is broken and need to be nerfed/removed fine.

shieldtacking is broken and need to be nerfed/changed/removed.

otherwise you(and other sorc) just want to remove the only counter to shieldtacking.

killingspreeb16_ESO

@ToRelax even you say this set combined with melee weapon is not a problem just a threat

ToRelax

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

@ToRelax even you say this set combined with melee weapon is not a problem just a threat

Indeed. I also said I don't at all understand players who use no ranged weapon or Overload while using this set.

Ungh, just deleted my whole edit concerning the other post. -.-
So tl;dw (to lazy, didn't write):

np with having it only work on melee weapons, but would rather make it damage shields - either way needs to be adjusted that it doesnt proc on shields you dont hit (bone shield, annulment), doesnt proc on petrify, respects all damage reduction (especially blocking, mistform, battle spirit, passives and sets that reduce damage, but i think resistances should work as well, because in that case the enemy invested in something this set is not supposed to counter from my understanding).

I also don't like extreme shieldstacking, but I do like you can stack small and big shields. I don't like the buff system, so i dont want it to be adapted for shields either. I would change healing ward into an instant burst heal (less powerful than BoL and more than Blessing of restoration), replace annulment and possibly bone shield with something else.

Even like this its not so really short lol.
Good night.

killingspreeb16_ESO

ToRelax wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

@ToRelax even you say this set combined with melee weapon is not a problem just a threat

Indeed. I also said I don't at all understand players who use no ranged weapon or Overload while using this set.

Preference,while i like the bow/dw is not the best in pvp,so i choose to play DW/two hand,if im forced to play a build that i don't like i just quit.
on shieldbreaker atleast when someone start to complaining i would like to see why this set is broken not just "because i say so"
shieldbreaker +bow is too strong maybe,so something can be done about this(example add a cd if used with ranged weapon or less dmg with a ranged weapon) but currently i just see things like"no this set is broken and should be nerfed,and youre a noob mad at sorc L2P"

CP5

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

@ToRelax even you say this set combined with melee weapon is not a problem just a threat

Indeed. I also said I don't at all understand players who use no ranged weapon or Overload while using this set.

Preference,while i like the bow/dw is not the best in pvp,so i choose to play DW/two hand,if im forced to play a build that i don't like i just quit.
on shieldbreaker atleast when someone start to complaining i would like to see why this set is broken not just "because i say so"
shieldbreaker +bow is too strong maybe,so something can be done about this(example add a cd if used with ranged weapon or less dmg with a ranged weapon) but currently i just see things like"no this set is broken and should be nerfed,and youre a noob mad at sorc L2P"

I will give my reason for not liking this set as just a quick go. Some heals like the Whitestrake's armor set, or Healing Ward, or Igneous Shield, and many more, either go to low health targets (suicide to gain at times) or are out of your control to get. A shield handing an enemy the ability to deal irresistible damage to me is a cheap quick fix to the problem that doesn't address the core issue.

killingspreeb16_ESO

ToRelax wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

@ToRelax even you say this set combined with melee weapon is not a problem just a threat

Indeed. I also said I don't at all understand players who use no ranged weapon or Overload while using this set.

Ungh, just deleted my whole edit concerning the other post. -.-
So tl;dw (to lazy, didn't write):

np with having it only work on melee weapons, but would rather make it damage shields - either way needs to be adjusted that it doesnt proc on shields you dont hit (bone shield, annulment), doesnt proc on petrify, respects all damage reduction (especially blocking, mistform, battle spirit, passives and sets that reduce damage, but i think resistances should work as well, because in that case the enemy invested in something this set is not supposed to counter from my understanding).

I also don't like extreme shieldstacking, but I do like you can stack small and big shields. I don't like the buff system, so i dont want it to be adapted for shields either. I would change healing ward into an instant burst heal (less powerful than BoL and more than Blessing of restoration), replace annulment and possibly bone shield with something else.

Even like this its not so really short lol.
Good night.

If is something like "youre ability deal extra dmg to shield or youre ability can crit on shield" that could work,but anyways im fine even if they rework this set and how shieldstacking work.

killingspreeb16_ESO

CP5 wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

@ToRelax even you say this set combined with melee weapon is not a problem just a threat

Indeed. I also said I don't at all understand players who use no ranged weapon or Overload while using this set.

Preference,while i like the bow/dw is not the best in pvp,so i choose to play DW/two hand,if im forced to play a build that i don't like i just quit.
on shieldbreaker atleast when someone start to complaining i would like to see why this set is broken not just "because i say so"
shieldbreaker +bow is too strong maybe,so something can be done about this(example add a cd if used with ranged weapon or less dmg with a ranged weapon) but currently i just see things like"no this set is broken and should be nerfed,and youre a noob mad at sorc L2P"

I will give my reason for not liking this set as just a quick go. Some heals like the Whitestrake's armor set, or Healing Ward, or Igneous Shield, and many more, either go to low health targets (suicide to gain at times) or are out of your control to get. A shield handing an enemy the ability to deal irresistible damage to me is a cheap quick fix to the problem that doesn't address the core issue.

Well i can agree with you in that but you @CP5 and @ToRelax (and some other) are the few sorc who are trying to discuss why this set is a problem and why should be changed,the majority of the sorc (alteast is what i get while reading here)want this set removed and no change to shieldstacking followe by something like
"LOL youre mad at sorc cuz you noob"
"shieldstacking is the only defense sorc have"while shield is the main defense of the sorc the fact you can stack more shield at the same time with no cd(or a penality like roll dodge)make that the best defense in the game on a high dps class and there is no real counter other than keep attacking and hope the sorc made some mistake,that's for me the main reason why shieldstacking is broken

Shield Breaker is a problem and can (or should)be changed but shieldstacking should be changed too.

Paradox

phaseadept wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

Let's make a set that reveals stealth too. How does that sound? *SNIP*.

Can I have a potion that eliminates all enemy shields around me for 8 seconds in trade?

Only if you know a guy with a potion to remove wings.

Dr_Ganknstein

I love seeing all these fotm sorcs that all do the exact same thing in pvp, crying now!! LOL! This is awesome and I am going to make a set of this armor as soon as it comes out on XBox. All sorcs cry that they are glass canons when in reality due to triple shield stack they become tank canons. Finally we have a weapon against easymode bs. They have been at demi-god status to long.

FriedEggSandwich

Force-Siphon wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

melodeath wrote: »

the only sorcs that complain are the ones that just stack a shield and expect everything to die infront of them..

if you would only put 1 little tiny healing abbility on your bar while still stacking those shields while having a tiny bit more health/armor/whatever.. than the shield breaker set doesnt do a thing since wardened+resto ward+mutagen/regen makes it so that by the time you get low your little resto ward will heal you full again since your beeing spammed by light attacks making those shields not go low.

its only fun to use the breaker set to annoy some sorcs that are used to doing the shield spamming while having no clue about anything else..and thats a fact since im litterly seeing this forum beeing full of them whining about 2k hits that require light attack spamming.

there are decent sorcs out there that still shield stack and actually use a bit more of their class uttility in order to not be bothered about shield breaker..

Rapid Regen is a poor heal now, Quick Siphon relies on you being offensive and only returns 450hp per hit, the only way to get through a single assualt from this set is to spam Healing Springs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZlzRqtwBgI

Yeah I have tested the different heals we have access to and I know some ppl are running surge + rapid regen but I definitely think illustrious healing is the way to go right now. Ppl think that sorcs haven't been running heals and that is false, we used healing ward which does not pass the test for us anymore. I've also tried blessing of restoration and illustrious healing always works better then getting the burst heal. I've been coupling it with structured entropy...I personally don't run surge bc the heal isn't completely reliable and I don't run a really high spell crit build.

I'm definitely not the expert on this issue...I think the vid from legendary mage contributes a lot, tbh I've run into probably like 5-6 players running the full set so far. One thing I've found is defensive rune can also be used when someone is spamming the light attacks to give u a second to heal/ focus...the issue with this for me though has generally been sacrificing another skill.

This set should have been magicka based as opposed to stamina tho...right now I've found magicka builds have the hardest time getting through the shields as opposed to the high burst we are seeing from stam. I've fought stam NBs for example who have been hitting me with 7-8k ambushes and can just basically surf you.

Totally agree with this. Stam users really don't need this set. They only have to worry about a 9k hardened ward, and as you pointed out they can deal with that in one hit. This is why I can't take anyone using this set seriously, zos gave it to the wrong side lol. There are now groups of stam NBs that just go sorc hunting together, and they are really successful, while the magicka Templars, DKs and NBs still have no counter to shield stackers.

Xeven

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

There are now groups of stam NBs that just go sorc hunting together

Lol. This makes me happy and sad at the same time. Happy that these butthurt NB are getting their jollies, sad that this is what the game has devolved to.

WillhelmBlack

Learn to frickin dodge and knock back. For crying out loud! Time to shelve your cookie clone and perhaps figure out how to play instead of just standing there with your shields up laughing.

BalticBlues

@ WillhelmBlack: Reading your post, I am so much looking forward to the CLOAK BREAKER set.
Because I am so tired of having to collect herbs to make counter potions against NBs cloaks.
Then it will be this:

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Time to shelve your cookie clone and perhaps figure out how to play instead of just standing there with your cloak up laughing.

Fixed it for you.

ItsRejectz

All we need now is a set that punishes people for healing and one for blocking and we will finally destroy the game totally, come on people let's keep trying!!!!

Septimus_Magna

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Learn to frickin dodge and knock back. For crying out loud! Time to shelve your cookie clone and perhaps figure out how to play instead of just standing there with your shields up laughing.

Do you know how much you can block and dodge on a magicka build? Also if you CC the shieldbreaker guy he will simply CC break every time because he has enough stam regen and get CC immunity.

The way of Legendary Mage only works in static 1v1 fights in a controlled environment without mobs, other players or movement. In most real situations you need to move which makes it hard to stay in your healing springs the entire duration.

Also I think its kinda BS that sorcs need to sacrifice 50% of their skills to survive one very OP set that every stam build in pvp will use. Its hardly a counter because sorcs have no chance to actually win against a shieldbreaker, you might survive longer but you wont win if the shieldbreaker has any skill.

Im fine with a counter to shields but give sorcs other ways to sustain their health, the only sorc skill that mitigates damage in combat is Hardened Ward so what choice do sorcs have? Removing the cast time of Dark Exchange would be a good start for example, this skill has very much potential but its too clunky to use in combat.

Dr_Ganknstein

Just bolt escape to safety like always.

Tankqull

Icky wrote: »

Just bolt escape to safety like always.

you are litteraly out of mana within charging range that way...

WillhelmBlack

I've had a lowbie Sorc since release and I've never unlocked Hardened Ward or Bolt Escape. It's still easy to play, it has armour buffs, has mobility, has heals, can block, has really useful ultimates but above all has insane burst.

I'm not in favour of the Shieldbreaker set, like I've said previously it is OP. If you're living in fear of it though, don't use shields.

Septimus_Magna

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

I've had a lowbie Sorc since release and I've never unlocked Hardened Ward or Bolt Escape. It's still easy to play, it has armour buffs, has mobility, has heals, can block, has really useful ultimates but above all has insane burst.

I'm not in favour of the Shieldbreaker set, like I've said previously it is OP. If you're living in fear of it though, don't use shields.

Hahaha, dont even try to compare lowbie stuff to end game pvp, its a completely different ball game.

Non of the sorc heals are reliable enough for pvp. Power surge relies on crits which are rare in pvp, Dark Exchange has a cast time so its easy to get interrupted and the Blood Magic passive only heals for 4% health. Lightining form only give a minor armor and spell resist buffs so its not very strong.

WillhelmBlack

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

I've had a lowbie Sorc since release and I've never unlocked Hardened Ward or Bolt Escape. It's still easy to play, it has armour buffs, has mobility, has heals, can block, has really useful ultimates but above all has insane burst.

I'm not in favour of the Shieldbreaker set, like I've said previously it is OP. If you're living in fear of it though, don't use shields.

Hahaha, dont even try to compare lowbie stuff to end game pvp, its a completely different ball game.

Non of the sorc heals are reliable enough for pvp. Power surge relies on crits which are rare in pvp, Dark Exchange has a cast time so its easy to get interrupted and the Blood Magic passive only heals for 4% health. Lightining form only give a minor armor and spell resist buffs so its not very strong.

I played him in Thornblade mate as soon as he reached lvl 15. Killed VR14's no problem.

Digiman

CP5 wrote: »

Yah, lets just ruin the ability for anyone to use shields for both themselves and to support others just so the sorc revenge train can run. Who needs a carefully thought out system of play and counter play when you can just blanket nuke one system in the game and call it good.

Will love it when people get this frustration out of their system and realize this set does more than punish the 'oh so evil' shield stacking sorcs, and I will love when people post photos of themselves being killed when they got hit with healing ward or barrier. But who cares, nerf dem sorcs.

Quoted for the truth.

Even though this really puts Sorcerers out of business for using Magicka other classes who use group shield are punished just as bad for it.

The set needs to go.

It was a terrible design choice for me as a Sorcerer to be forced to refresh shield to survive because my cloth couldn't help against physical attacks as 1/4 of heavy armor.

This set officially ruins other classes like Templars and DK's who use shields to help their group survival in PvP as well.

While I feel the target is for punishing magicka sorcerers forced to survive, the collateral is just worse for others.

THE SET NEEDS TO DISAPPEAR!

killingspreeb16_ESO

Digiman wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Yah, lets just ruin the ability for anyone to use shields for both themselves and to support others just so the sorc revenge train can run. Who needs a carefully thought out system of play and counter play when you can just blanket nuke one system in the game and call it good.

Will love it when people get this frustration out of their system and realize this set does more than punish the 'oh so evil' shield stacking sorcs, and I will love when people post photos of themselves being killed when they got hit with healing ward or barrier. But who cares, nerf dem sorcs.

Quoted for the truth.

Even though this really puts Sorcerers out of business for using Magicka other classes who use group shield are punished just as bad for it.

The set needs to go.

It was a terrible design choice for me as a Sorcerer to be forced to refresh shield to survive because my cloth couldn't help against physical attacks as 1/4 of heavy armor.

This set officially ruins other classes like Templars and DK's who use shields to help their group survival in PvP as well.

While I feel the target is for punishing magicka sorcerers forced to survive, the collateral is just worse for others.

THE SET NEEDS TO DISAPPEAR!

Sure but add another counter to shieldstacking.

this set is bad design and need to go,i get it,shieldstacking is the same.

CP5

ItsRejectz wrote: »

All we need now is a set that punishes people for healing and one for blocking and we will finally destroy the game totally, come on people let's keep trying!!!!

We have 0 stamina regen while blocking so that could be put on hold. How about a set that does % damage based on your healing received within a set time. L2P, stop healing its so easy.

CP5

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Digiman wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Yah, lets just ruin the ability for anyone to use shields for both themselves and to support others just so the sorc revenge train can run. Who needs a carefully thought out system of play and counter play when you can just blanket nuke one system in the game and call it good.

Will love it when people get this frustration out of their system and realize this set does more than punish the 'oh so evil' shield stacking sorcs, and I will love when people post photos of themselves being killed when they got hit with healing ward or barrier. But who cares, nerf dem sorcs.

Quoted for the truth.

Even though this really puts Sorcerers out of business for using Magicka other classes who use group shield are punished just as bad for it.

The set needs to go.

It was a terrible design choice for me as a Sorcerer to be forced to refresh shield to survive because my cloth couldn't help against physical attacks as 1/4 of heavy armor.

This set officially ruins other classes like Templars and DK's who use shields to help their group survival in PvP as well.

While I feel the target is for punishing magicka sorcerers forced to survive, the collateral is just worse for others.

THE SET NEEDS TO DISAPPEAR!

Sure but add another counter to shieldstacking.

this set is bad design and need to go,i get it,shieldstacking is the same.

Thank you! Now lets figure out an alternative. Its hard to get rid of shield stacking (how do you manage which shield takes priority) but it does feel like a very one dimensional system. Shields are cast and you a. wait, b. smash your face in it until its down. Needs something interesting.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Force-Siphon wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

melodeath wrote: »

the only sorcs that complain are the ones that just stack a shield and expect everything to die infront of them..

if you would only put 1 little tiny healing abbility on your bar while still stacking those shields while having a tiny bit more health/armor/whatever.. than the shield breaker set doesnt do a thing since wardened+resto ward+mutagen/regen makes it so that by the time you get low your little resto ward will heal you full again since your beeing spammed by light attacks making those shields not go low.

its only fun to use the breaker set to annoy some sorcs that are used to doing the shield spamming while having no clue about anything else..and thats a fact since im litterly seeing this forum beeing full of them whining about 2k hits that require light attack spamming.

there are decent sorcs out there that still shield stack and actually use a bit more of their class uttility in order to not be bothered about shield breaker..

Rapid Regen is a poor heal now, Quick Siphon relies on you being offensive and only returns 450hp per hit, the only way to get through a single assualt from this set is to spam Healing Springs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZlzRqtwBgI

Yeah I have tested the different heals we have access to and I know some ppl are running surge + rapid regen but I definitely think illustrious healing is the way to go right now. Ppl think that sorcs haven't been running heals and that is false, we used healing ward which does not pass the test for us anymore. I've also tried blessing of restoration and illustrious healing always works better then getting the burst heal. I've been coupling it with structured entropy...I personally don't run surge bc the heal isn't completely reliable and I don't run a really high spell crit build.

I'm definitely not the expert on this issue...I think the vid from legendary mage contributes a lot, tbh I've run into probably like 5-6 players running the full set so far. One thing I've found is defensive rune can also be used when someone is spamming the light attacks to give u a second to heal/ focus...the issue with this for me though has generally been sacrificing another skill.

This set should have been magicka based as opposed to stamina tho...right now I've found magicka builds have the hardest time getting through the shields as opposed to the high burst we are seeing from stam. I've fought stam NBs for example who have been hitting me with 7-8k ambushes and can just basically surf you.

I have found combat prayer to be somewhat effective now. The increase to armor and spell resistance is nice if you're not using boundless storm.

killingspreeb16_ESO

CP5 wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Digiman wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Yah, lets just ruin the ability for anyone to use shields for both themselves and to support others just so the sorc revenge train can run. Who needs a carefully thought out system of play and counter play when you can just blanket nuke one system in the game and call it good.

Will love it when people get this frustration out of their system and realize this set does more than punish the 'oh so evil' shield stacking sorcs, and I will love when people post photos of themselves being killed when they got hit with healing ward or barrier. But who cares, nerf dem sorcs.

Quoted for the truth.

Even though this really puts Sorcerers out of business for using Magicka other classes who use group shield are punished just as bad for it.

The set needs to go.

It was a terrible design choice for me as a Sorcerer to be forced to refresh shield to survive because my cloth couldn't help against physical attacks as 1/4 of heavy armor.

This set officially ruins other classes like Templars and DK's who use shields to help their group survival in PvP as well.

While I feel the target is for punishing magicka sorcerers forced to survive, the collateral is just worse for others.

THE SET NEEDS TO DISAPPEAR!

Sure but add another counter to shieldstacking.

this set is bad design and need to go,i get it,shieldstacking is the same.

Thank you! Now lets figure out an alternative. Its hard to get rid of shield stacking (how do you manage which shield takes priority) but it does feel like a very one dimensional system. Shields are cast and you a. wait, b. smash your face in it until its down. Needs something interesting.

Ye i know dunno if we need and easy fix for now (since seem this set is the cancer of the game for many player)can be reworked in something that make your ability stronger against shield(just a random example)i know this is not the right fix since shieldstacking will be a problem to everyone without this set but maybe will be better than now,until ZOS find a better solution to it.

willymchilybily

Using this set with petrify and a level 1 bow never thought of that. Gues @ZOS didn't either. I originally liked the idea of the set but this thread has leaned me the other way when I read the comments, sorry OP. Whitestraker is a nice craft able set that is now a bit less useful, and the fact a bug allows the shield breaker to work on damage reducing abilities I can see magicka DKs will soon also be complaining against this set so it's not just sorcs who will be meanies

Igneous to increase healing...counter productive
Ferocious leap, better take the other morph
And if it works on all damage mitigation effects what about molten armour hopefully that ult works in a different way as it doesn't add to armour, but sets damage to 3% or that would be too funny, sorry dk's standard only,
And with it working on mist form that's bad if magicka DK want to escape
Does it also work on immovable(heavy armour skill)? If so looks like it'll have to be shuffle only

Seems like it's not just good against sorcs it's good against a lot of things, and as others mention shields you get willingly or otherwise.

I still like the concept, anti shield set would be a nice set, but in its current form it sounds like it is too powerful and buggy. And just too broken, I haven't commented before now and have no test experience till consoles get ic, but it should only work on self cast shields if you maintain its current set bonus, not proc generated or allie given shields, and definitely not on damage mitigating abilities.

Even the way it functions is odd, why not just give it bonus damage to all directed attacks that scale with targets shield size. Just seems lazy. Like they knew they couldn't fix unmitigated damage overspill bug on shields. And couldn't get the scaling of such a mechanic to work. Would have been a proper shield breaker then not shield ignored set.

Anyway sorry for the long post just a lot of people seem to be viewing the set one dimensionally and think it's only good against shield stacking sorcs. Like it's some kind of adapt or die L2P issue.

iTzStevey

melodeath wrote: »

made a diffrent topic regarding the shields and also said that they should redo the shields instead of making a hard counter through a set.. 10+ sorcs said l2p and today went for the set and killed the emperor (sorc) with a few light attacks while he didnt know what to do all of sudden.

now you see dozens of topics from sorcs who all copied their build from a 5 second google search who all of sudden turned into "skilled" players while telling others to "adapt and l2p"

now you see those same sorcs whining about people who actually adapted to their lame playstyle with this set.

Equipping a set and spamming light attack is hardly adapting, nevermind skilled play.

All the people that ive seen whining about sorcs are either

A) Nightblades that can't handle pressure whatsoever because they sit in stealth all day spamming snipe and raging because they cant kill them in one hit.

People that have never played a sorc enough to actually understand it.

Sure, sorcs can be powerful enemies, 10k shield though? you can hit 13k+ wrecking blows,6k+ ransacks, 15k+ snipe,10k surprise attacks, and people with stam builds complaining about shield stacking? Sure healing ward can be a pain but believe it or not...sorc is not the only class that uses it (OMG dat info :O ) and the only other shield sorcs use dont affect you in any way,shape or form.

And lame playstyle? How about the ONLY playstyle available to the class?

How about a set that makes you unable to cloak/enter stealth for the remainder of the fight?
Or a set that makes templars unable heal? Or a dk thats unable to heal or takes away 100% of their resistances?