Sorcs are mean and need to stop crying over a set ;)

nordickittyhawk

Paradox wrote: »

Let's make a set that reveals stealth too. How does that sound?
One that makes projectiles go through wings?

I mean, since we're endorsing the removal of class defensive abilities. We already nerfed block, roll dodge, healing, and shields. Why stop there.

We need to stop nerfing everything. There are other changes that can be made to Sorcs that don't involve making their one major defensive ability useless. Sure, they have bolt escape... And you sure have a gap closer that you an spam a helluva lot more than they can spam bolt now.

Stop the nerfs, don't endorse them.

you mean this thing called a detect pot that every class can use ._.

Paradox

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

Let's make a set that reveals stealth too. How does that sound?
One that makes projectiles go through wings?

I mean, since we're endorsing the removal of class defensive abilities. We already nerfed block, roll dodge, healing, and shields. Why stop there.

We need to stop nerfing everything. There are other changes that can be made to Sorcs that don't involve making their one major defensive ability useless. Sure, they have bolt escape... And you sure have a gap closer that you an spam a helluva lot more than they can spam bolt now.

Stop the nerfs, don't endorse them.

you mean this thing called a detect pot that every class can use ._.

Now address the rest of the argument.

nordickittyhawk

Paradox wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

Let's make a set that reveals stealth too. How does that sound?
One that makes projectiles go through wings?

I mean, since we're endorsing the removal of class defensive abilities. We already nerfed block, roll dodge, healing, and shields. Why stop there.

We need to stop nerfing everything. There are other changes that can be made to Sorcs that don't involve making their one major defensive ability useless. Sure, they have bolt escape... And you sure have a gap closer that you an spam a helluva lot more than they can spam bolt now.

Stop the nerfs, don't endorse them.

you mean this thing called a detect pot that every class can use ._.

Now address the rest of the argument.

cause they fixed those your just upset cause u cant stack shields your so called only way to surive

FriedEggSandwich

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

Let's make a set that reveals stealth too. How does that sound?
One that makes projectiles go through wings?

I mean, since we're endorsing the removal of class defensive abilities. We already nerfed block, roll dodge, healing, and shields. Why stop there.

We need to stop nerfing everything. There are other changes that can be made to Sorcs that don't involve making their one major defensive ability useless. Sure, they have bolt escape... And you sure have a gap closer that you an spam a helluva lot more than they can spam bolt now.

Stop the nerfs, don't endorse them.

you mean this thing called a detect pot that every class can use ._.

Now address the rest of the argument.

cause they fixed those your just upset cause u cant stack shields your so called only way to surive

Oh but you can stack shields. In fact part of the counter to shield breaker is to stack them more to give yourself time to heal through the unresistable damage. Shield breaker doesn't hurt shield stackers as much as it hurts single shield users.

nordickittyhawk

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

Let's make a set that reveals stealth too. How does that sound?
One that makes projectiles go through wings?

I mean, since we're endorsing the removal of class defensive abilities. We already nerfed block, roll dodge, healing, and shields. Why stop there.

We need to stop nerfing everything. There are other changes that can be made to Sorcs that don't involve making their one major defensive ability useless. Sure, they have bolt escape... And you sure have a gap closer that you an spam a helluva lot more than they can spam bolt now.

Stop the nerfs, don't endorse them.

you mean this thing called a detect pot that every class can use ._.

Now address the rest of the argument.

cause they fixed those your just upset cause u cant stack shields your so called only way to surive

Oh but you can stack shields. In fact part of the counter to shield breaker is to stack them more to give yourself time to heal through the unresistable damage. Shield breaker doesn't hurt shield stackers as much as it hurts single shield users.

.__. SINGLE SHIELD USERS.... lets behonest here this is AvA there will be other players that shield is gonna be gone by then .-. you guys are thinking that shields are the ONLY WAY TO LIVE! .... .____. i really wish @Force-Siphon could teach you guys how to sorc

Paradox

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

Let's make a set that reveals stealth too. How does that sound?
One that makes projectiles go through wings?

I mean, since we're endorsing the removal of class defensive abilities. We already nerfed block, roll dodge, healing, and shields. Why stop there.

We need to stop nerfing everything. There are other changes that can be made to Sorcs that don't involve making their one major defensive ability useless. Sure, they have bolt escape... And you sure have a gap closer that you an spam a helluva lot more than they can spam bolt now.

Stop the nerfs, don't endorse them.

you mean this thing called a detect pot that every class can use ._.

Now address the rest of the argument.

cause they fixed those your just upset cause u cant stack shields your so called only way to surive

You're addressing me as if I have a sorc, which I don't. I care about balance in the game, and your endorsement of a set that hurts everyone that uses shields is ridiculous. I agree that shield stacking needs to be nerfed, but to implement a set that removes the protection that ANY shield provides is downright irresponsible. We don't need knee-jerk reactions to major issues -- we need thought-out plans on how to balance them with changes to those abilities that don't involve making them useless.

As for your comments stating that you want a particular sorc to teach others how to play is also indicative of how little you're thinking about this issue. This isn't just a sorc issue -- it affects everyone that uses shields. I'm sure that that player is great, but suggesting that an entire way of play needs to be utterly removed is what got us into the mess that is update 7. You may have your opinions of sorcs, but don't let those opinions affect the way that you critically think. The shield breaker set is broken and downright toxic to every player in the game. You may want to nerf shields, but what you're doing is suggesting that shields in their entirety should be useless. This kind of behavior from both the devs and the players is going to drive us further into the one-class-one-build gutter.

Balance isn't removing entire abilities from the game -- which is the ONLY thing that shield breaker does. If that's what you're supporting, then make it clear. Don't for a second think that it's anything less.

Cookiethief

OP set to counter OP shields

nordickittyhawk

Cookiethief wrote: »

OP set to counter OP shields

exactly

FriedEggSandwich

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

Let's make a set that reveals stealth too. How does that sound?
One that makes projectiles go through wings?

I mean, since we're endorsing the removal of class defensive abilities. We already nerfed block, roll dodge, healing, and shields. Why stop there.

We need to stop nerfing everything. There are other changes that can be made to Sorcs that don't involve making their one major defensive ability useless. Sure, they have bolt escape... And you sure have a gap closer that you an spam a helluva lot more than they can spam bolt now.

Stop the nerfs, don't endorse them.

you mean this thing called a detect pot that every class can use ._.

Now address the rest of the argument.

cause they fixed those your just upset cause u cant stack shields your so called only way to surive

Oh but you can stack shields. In fact part of the counter to shield breaker is to stack them more to give yourself time to heal through the unresistable damage. Shield breaker doesn't hurt shield stackers as much as it hurts single shield users.

.__. SINGLE SHIELD USERS.... lets behonest here this is AvA there will be other players that shield is gonna be gone by then .-. you guys are thinking that shields are the ONLY WAY TO LIVE! .... .____. i really wish @Force-Siphon could teach you guys how to sorc

I don't understand the bit in bold, genuinely. I would love force-siphon to give me some lessons, I'm always looking to improve. But some facts remain.

19k hp is a reasonable amount for a non-tank to have, it's how much I have. Full v14 (2 piece v16) legendary light armour offers 4308 physical resistance (armour value). Even with 2 pieces of heavy to keep the light armour 5 piece bonuses my armour value wouldn't break 10k. People use armour penetration. People run with high weapon and spell damage. 19k hp is very easy to get through when the damage is unmitigated, in this latest patch I can easily be 3 shot in under 3 seconds with no shields up. How do you suggest I mitigate incoming physical damage with no shield? Sword and shield? Been there, done that. I ran a sword & board build for a few months back in 1.4. I've seen leper si's vids. I don't like not being able to light/heavy attack from range and It encourages blocking. Heals? The most powerful heal I have access to is healing ward. Next to that it's healing springs which ticks for 900 every second or so. Telling a sorc to play without his class shield is absurd and unecessary and I don't think you understand how the game works.

nordickittyhawk

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

Let's make a set that reveals stealth too. How does that sound?
One that makes projectiles go through wings?

I mean, since we're endorsing the removal of class defensive abilities. We already nerfed block, roll dodge, healing, and shields. Why stop there.

We need to stop nerfing everything. There are other changes that can be made to Sorcs that don't involve making their one major defensive ability useless. Sure, they have bolt escape... And you sure have a gap closer that you an spam a helluva lot more than they can spam bolt now.

Stop the nerfs, don't endorse them.

you mean this thing called a detect pot that every class can use ._.

Now address the rest of the argument.

cause they fixed those your just upset cause u cant stack shields your so called only way to surive

Oh but you can stack shields. In fact part of the counter to shield breaker is to stack them more to give yourself time to heal through the unresistable damage. Shield breaker doesn't hurt shield stackers as much as it hurts single shield users.

.__. SINGLE SHIELD USERS.... lets behonest here this is AvA there will be other players that shield is gonna be gone by then .-. you guys are thinking that shields are the ONLY WAY TO LIVE! .... .____. i really wish @Force-Siphon could teach you guys how to sorc

I don't understand the bit in bold, genuinely. I would love force-siphon to give me some lessons, I'm always looking to improve. But some facts remain.

19k hp is a reasonable amount for a non-tank to have, it's how much I have. Full v14 (2 piece v16) legendary light armour offers 4308 physical resistance (armour value). Even with 2 pieces of heavy to keep the light armour 5 piece bonuses my armour value wouldn't break 10k. People use armour penetration. People run with high weapon and spell damage. 19k hp is very easy to get through when the damage is unmitigated, in this latest patch I can easily be 3 shot in under 3 seconds with no shields up. How do you suggest I mitigate incoming physical damage with no shield? Sword and shield? Been there, done that. I ran a sword & board build for a few months back in 1.4. I've seen leper si's vids. I don't like not being able to light/heavy attack from range and It encourages blocking. Heals? The most powerful heal I have access to is healing ward. Next to that it's healing springs which ticks for 900 every second or so. Telling a sorc to play without his class shield is absurd and unecessary and I don't think you understand how the game works.

Let me make this 100% clear to everyone! it takes 20 to 30 light attacks to kill someone with this set... is it op or are sorcs just that bad that they cant use other heals on a entire resto staff tree

FriedEggSandwich

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

Let's make a set that reveals stealth too. How does that sound?
One that makes projectiles go through wings?

I mean, since we're endorsing the removal of class defensive abilities. We already nerfed block, roll dodge, healing, and shields. Why stop there.

We need to stop nerfing everything. There are other changes that can be made to Sorcs that don't involve making their one major defensive ability useless. Sure, they have bolt escape... And you sure have a gap closer that you an spam a helluva lot more than they can spam bolt now.

Stop the nerfs, don't endorse them.

you mean this thing called a detect pot that every class can use ._.

Now address the rest of the argument.

cause they fixed those your just upset cause u cant stack shields your so called only way to surive

Oh but you can stack shields. In fact part of the counter to shield breaker is to stack them more to give yourself time to heal through the unresistable damage. Shield breaker doesn't hurt shield stackers as much as it hurts single shield users.

.__. SINGLE SHIELD USERS.... lets behonest here this is AvA there will be other players that shield is gonna be gone by then .-. you guys are thinking that shields are the ONLY WAY TO LIVE! .... .____. i really wish @Force-Siphon could teach you guys how to sorc

I don't understand the bit in bold, genuinely. I would love force-siphon to give me some lessons, I'm always looking to improve. But some facts remain.

19k hp is a reasonable amount for a non-tank to have, it's how much I have. Full v14 (2 piece v16) legendary light armour offers 4308 physical resistance (armour value). Even with 2 pieces of heavy to keep the light armour 5 piece bonuses my armour value wouldn't break 10k. People use armour penetration. People run with high weapon and spell damage. 19k hp is very easy to get through when the damage is unmitigated, in this latest patch I can easily be 3 shot in under 3 seconds with no shields up. How do you suggest I mitigate incoming physical damage with no shield? Sword and shield? Been there, done that. I ran a sword & board build for a few months back in 1.4. I've seen leper si's vids. I don't like not being able to light/heavy attack from range and It encourages blocking. Heals? The most powerful heal I have access to is healing ward. Next to that it's healing springs which ticks for 900 every second or so. Telling a sorc to play without his class shield is absurd and unecessary and I don't think you understand how the game works.

Let me make this 100% clear to everyone! it takes 20 to 30 light attacks to kill someone with this set... is it op or are sorcs just that bad that they cant use other heals on a entire resto staff tree

I don't give a snip about the set. I am concerned by your overbearing ignorance.

nordickittyhawk

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

Let's make a set that reveals stealth too. How does that sound?
One that makes projectiles go through wings?

I mean, since we're endorsing the removal of class defensive abilities. We already nerfed block, roll dodge, healing, and shields. Why stop there.

We need to stop nerfing everything. There are other changes that can be made to Sorcs that don't involve making their one major defensive ability useless. Sure, they have bolt escape... And you sure have a gap closer that you an spam a helluva lot more than they can spam bolt now.

Stop the nerfs, don't endorse them.

you mean this thing called a detect pot that every class can use ._.

Now address the rest of the argument.

cause they fixed those your just upset cause u cant stack shields your so called only way to surive

Oh but you can stack shields. In fact part of the counter to shield breaker is to stack them more to give yourself time to heal through the unresistable damage. Shield breaker doesn't hurt shield stackers as much as it hurts single shield users.

.__. SINGLE SHIELD USERS.... lets behonest here this is AvA there will be other players that shield is gonna be gone by then .-. you guys are thinking that shields are the ONLY WAY TO LIVE! .... .____. i really wish @Force-Siphon could teach you guys how to sorc

I don't understand the bit in bold, genuinely. I would love force-siphon to give me some lessons, I'm always looking to improve. But some facts remain.

19k hp is a reasonable amount for a non-tank to have, it's how much I have. Full v14 (2 piece v16) legendary light armour offers 4308 physical resistance (armour value). Even with 2 pieces of heavy to keep the light armour 5 piece bonuses my armour value wouldn't break 10k. People use armour penetration. People run with high weapon and spell damage. 19k hp is very easy to get through when the damage is unmitigated, in this latest patch I can easily be 3 shot in under 3 seconds with no shields up. How do you suggest I mitigate incoming physical damage with no shield? Sword and shield? Been there, done that. I ran a sword & board build for a few months back in 1.4. I've seen leper si's vids. I don't like not being able to light/heavy attack from range and It encourages blocking. Heals? The most powerful heal I have access to is healing ward. Next to that it's healing springs which ticks for 900 every second or so. Telling a sorc to play without his class shield is absurd and unecessary and I don't think you understand how the game works.

Let me make this 100% clear to everyone! it takes 20 to 30 light attacks to kill someone with this set... is it op or are sorcs just that bad that they cant use other heals on a entire resto staff tree

I don't give a snip about the set. I am concerned by your overbearing ignorance.

so you have come down to insulting. shame... on you sir shame on you.

FriedEggSandwich

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

Let's make a set that reveals stealth too. How does that sound?
One that makes projectiles go through wings?

I mean, since we're endorsing the removal of class defensive abilities. We already nerfed block, roll dodge, healing, and shields. Why stop there.

We need to stop nerfing everything. There are other changes that can be made to Sorcs that don't involve making their one major defensive ability useless. Sure, they have bolt escape... And you sure have a gap closer that you an spam a helluva lot more than they can spam bolt now.

Stop the nerfs, don't endorse them.

you mean this thing called a detect pot that every class can use ._.

Now address the rest of the argument.

cause they fixed those your just upset cause u cant stack shields your so called only way to surive

Oh but you can stack shields. In fact part of the counter to shield breaker is to stack them more to give yourself time to heal through the unresistable damage. Shield breaker doesn't hurt shield stackers as much as it hurts single shield users.

.__. SINGLE SHIELD USERS.... lets behonest here this is AvA there will be other players that shield is gonna be gone by then .-. you guys are thinking that shields are the ONLY WAY TO LIVE! .... .____. i really wish @Force-Siphon could teach you guys how to sorc

I don't understand the bit in bold, genuinely. I would love force-siphon to give me some lessons, I'm always looking to improve. But some facts remain.

19k hp is a reasonable amount for a non-tank to have, it's how much I have. Full v14 (2 piece v16) legendary light armour offers 4308 physical resistance (armour value). Even with 2 pieces of heavy to keep the light armour 5 piece bonuses my armour value wouldn't break 10k. People use armour penetration. People run with high weapon and spell damage. 19k hp is very easy to get through when the damage is unmitigated, in this latest patch I can easily be 3 shot in under 3 seconds with no shields up. How do you suggest I mitigate incoming physical damage with no shield? Sword and shield? Been there, done that. I ran a sword & board build for a few months back in 1.4. I've seen leper si's vids. I don't like not being able to light/heavy attack from range and It encourages blocking. Heals? The most powerful heal I have access to is healing ward. Next to that it's healing springs which ticks for 900 every second or so. Telling a sorc to play without his class shield is absurd and unecessary and I don't think you understand how the game works.

Let me make this 100% clear to everyone! it takes 20 to 30 light attacks to kill someone with this set... is it op or are sorcs just that bad that they cant use other heals on a entire resto staff tree

I don't give a snip about the set. I am concerned by your overbearing ignorance.

so you have come down to insulting. shame... on you sir shame on you.

There is no insult there; you are ignorant to the sorc class and you are forcing your ignorance on others unpleasantly.

nordickittyhawk

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

Let's make a set that reveals stealth too. How does that sound?
One that makes projectiles go through wings?

I mean, since we're endorsing the removal of class defensive abilities. We already nerfed block, roll dodge, healing, and shields. Why stop there.

We need to stop nerfing everything. There are other changes that can be made to Sorcs that don't involve making their one major defensive ability useless. Sure, they have bolt escape... And you sure have a gap closer that you an spam a helluva lot more than they can spam bolt now.

Stop the nerfs, don't endorse them.

you mean this thing called a detect pot that every class can use ._.

Now address the rest of the argument.

cause they fixed those your just upset cause u cant stack shields your so called only way to surive

Oh but you can stack shields. In fact part of the counter to shield breaker is to stack them more to give yourself time to heal through the unresistable damage. Shield breaker doesn't hurt shield stackers as much as it hurts single shield users.

.__. SINGLE SHIELD USERS.... lets behonest here this is AvA there will be other players that shield is gonna be gone by then .-. you guys are thinking that shields are the ONLY WAY TO LIVE! .... .____. i really wish @Force-Siphon could teach you guys how to sorc

I don't understand the bit in bold, genuinely. I would love force-siphon to give me some lessons, I'm always looking to improve. But some facts remain.

19k hp is a reasonable amount for a non-tank to have, it's how much I have. Full v14 (2 piece v16) legendary light armour offers 4308 physical resistance (armour value). Even with 2 pieces of heavy to keep the light armour 5 piece bonuses my armour value wouldn't break 10k. People use armour penetration. People run with high weapon and spell damage. 19k hp is very easy to get through when the damage is unmitigated, in this latest patch I can easily be 3 shot in under 3 seconds with no shields up. How do you suggest I mitigate incoming physical damage with no shield? Sword and shield? Been there, done that. I ran a sword & board build for a few months back in 1.4. I've seen leper si's vids. I don't like not being able to light/heavy attack from range and It encourages blocking. Heals? The most powerful heal I have access to is healing ward. Next to that it's healing springs which ticks for 900 every second or so. Telling a sorc to play without his class shield is absurd and unecessary and I don't think you understand how the game works.

Let me make this 100% clear to everyone! it takes 20 to 30 light attacks to kill someone with this set... is it op or are sorcs just that bad that they cant use other heals on a entire resto staff tree

I don't give a snip about the set. I am concerned by your overbearing ignorance.

so you have come down to insulting. shame... on you sir shame on you.

There is no insult there; you are ignorant to the sorc class and you are forcing your ignorance on others unpleasantly.

... thats insulting o,0

FriedEggSandwich

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

Let's make a set that reveals stealth too. How does that sound?
One that makes projectiles go through wings?

I mean, since we're endorsing the removal of class defensive abilities. We already nerfed block, roll dodge, healing, and shields. Why stop there.

We need to stop nerfing everything. There are other changes that can be made to Sorcs that don't involve making their one major defensive ability useless. Sure, they have bolt escape... And you sure have a gap closer that you an spam a helluva lot more than they can spam bolt now.

Stop the nerfs, don't endorse them.

you mean this thing called a detect pot that every class can use ._.

Now address the rest of the argument.

cause they fixed those your just upset cause u cant stack shields your so called only way to surive

Oh but you can stack shields. In fact part of the counter to shield breaker is to stack them more to give yourself time to heal through the unresistable damage. Shield breaker doesn't hurt shield stackers as much as it hurts single shield users.

.__. SINGLE SHIELD USERS.... lets behonest here this is AvA there will be other players that shield is gonna be gone by then .-. you guys are thinking that shields are the ONLY WAY TO LIVE! .... .____. i really wish @Force-Siphon could teach you guys how to sorc

I don't understand the bit in bold, genuinely. I would love force-siphon to give me some lessons, I'm always looking to improve. But some facts remain.

19k hp is a reasonable amount for a non-tank to have, it's how much I have. Full v14 (2 piece v16) legendary light armour offers 4308 physical resistance (armour value). Even with 2 pieces of heavy to keep the light armour 5 piece bonuses my armour value wouldn't break 10k. People use armour penetration. People run with high weapon and spell damage. 19k hp is very easy to get through when the damage is unmitigated, in this latest patch I can easily be 3 shot in under 3 seconds with no shields up. How do you suggest I mitigate incoming physical damage with no shield? Sword and shield? Been there, done that. I ran a sword & board build for a few months back in 1.4. I've seen leper si's vids. I don't like not being able to light/heavy attack from range and It encourages blocking. Heals? The most powerful heal I have access to is healing ward. Next to that it's healing springs which ticks for 900 every second or so. Telling a sorc to play without his class shield is absurd and unecessary and I don't think you understand how the game works.

Let me make this 100% clear to everyone! it takes 20 to 30 light attacks to kill someone with this set... is it op or are sorcs just that bad that they cant use other heals on a entire resto staff tree

I don't give a snip about the set. I am concerned by your overbearing ignorance.

so you have come down to insulting. shame... on you sir shame on you.

There is no insult there; you are ignorant to the sorc class and you are forcing your ignorance on others unpleasantly.

... thats insulting o,0

No it's not. If you Google ignorance you'll see that the definition is just a lack of knowledge or information, which describes your comments perfectly.

daswahnsinn

I use this set of armor but only up to 4 pieces. I didnt think the 5 piece set bonus would really make that much difference. Honestly this is how ZOS is trying to balance the classes and it my not be working well. This isnt a nerf or buff crisis, this is simply just a 'please address this and consider making changes' type of thing.

Darnathian

Alucardo wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Stop playing your sorc because you don't know anything but the fotm build. Text book fotm player.

You're pulling that fotm crap on me? Sorc was my first character in eso before I even knew what fotm actually meant. You really need some new arguments, because that one is becoming rather tiresome.

Learn to read. I said fotm BUILD. Do you refute that master?

Darnathian

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Yah, lets just ruin the ability for anyone to use shields for both themselves and to support others just so the sorc revenge train can run. Who needs a carefully thought out system of play and counter play when you can just blanket nuke one system in the game and call it good.

Will love it when people get this frustration out of their system and realize this set does more than punish the 'oh so evil' shield stacking sorcs, and I will love when people post photos of themselves being killed when they got hit with healing ward or barrier. But who cares, nerf dem sorcs.

Saw this coming. Maybe all the sorcs should have been reasonable and agreed with no more shield stacking or scaling hardened off healt Real what you sew.

I must have missed the bit where zos consulted all the sorcs and then came to an agreement with them. When did this happen? I was just under the impression zos made desicions behind the scenes.

Contrary to popular belief they do read the forums for feedback. They just can't reply so they are not going sides. Read some of the threads about it. It was crazy when people a lot more level headed than me tried to reason. The subject quickly got turned with them screaming l2p and oh just another sorc nerf thread.

Best thing they could of done was probably remove shield stacking. Let the sorcs keep hardened scaled off magicka. Too late. Personally I really don't like the route they chose. But don't hate people for using the tools Zos gave us.

Darnathian

CP5 wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

So iv seen my name on some post about the shield breaker set:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/213917/shield-breakers-needs-a-cooldown

Iv mailed and whispered many many times about how im a this n that and i should go die. so im going to start screenshotting all these whispers (censored names) and put em here to just tell the sorcs GET GOOD! stop using stacking shields

i support this set

Of course you support the set if you are using it, and you are using it because you know it's OP.

It's ridiculous that a set exists which entirely ignores an entire class defence mechanic and cannot be outhealed without significant sacrifices to other skills on your bar.

And what do you think everyone else had to do to stand against a sorc or nb in 1.6? Make sacrifices on our skill bars. Wow the hypocrosy is real.

Because slotting several shields to ward off damage, shields that don't scale based on the threat around you and need to be spammed to keep light armor users alive, isn't a sacrifice to a skill bar, right? Yes, zos could have been creative and made it so that each individual shield could stand on its own and reworked shield stacking, but now people are singing this set praises because it "punishes the evil sorcerers" without even noticing that not everyone who uses shields stacks them. So go ahead, laugh it up, we'll see whats left after this.

Who is laughing? This game is a joke. I have logged in like twice this week. I use to 6 or 7. I literally don't know what is left to nerf on my beloved dk. Gdb and our tanking passives is what all the other classes said was the reason we didn't get an escape. Well now why don't we get one? Lol. Oh that's right. A cool name.

nordickittyhawk

Darnathian wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

So iv seen my name on some post about the shield breaker set:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/213917/shield-breakers-needs-a-cooldown

Iv mailed and whispered many many times about how im a this n that and i should go die. so im going to start screenshotting all these whispers (censored names) and put em here to just tell the sorcs GET GOOD! stop using stacking shields

i support this set

Of course you support the set if you are using it, and you are using it because you know it's OP.

It's ridiculous that a set exists which entirely ignores an entire class defence mechanic and cannot be outhealed without significant sacrifices to other skills on your bar.

And what do you think everyone else had to do to stand against a sorc or nb in 1.6? Make sacrifices on our skill bars. Wow the hypocrosy is real.

Because slotting several shields to ward off damage, shields that don't scale based on the threat around you and need to be spammed to keep light armor users alive, isn't a sacrifice to a skill bar, right? Yes, zos could have been creative and made it so that each individual shield could stand on its own and reworked shield stacking, but now people are singing this set praises because it "punishes the evil sorcerers" without even noticing that not everyone who uses shields stacks them. So go ahead, laugh it up, we'll see whats left after this.

Who is laughing? This game is a joke. I have logged in like twice this week. I use to 6 or 7. I literally don't know what is left to nerf on my beloved dk. Gdb and our tanking passives is what all the other classes said was the reason we didn't get an escape. Well now why don't we get one? Lol. Oh that's right. A cool name.

I SALUTE YOU SIR!

contact.opiumb16_ESO

Tonturri wrote: »

I have a mind-blowing suggestion.

How about we


Actually balance shields instead of playing around with a terribly thought out mechanic

On an almost unrelated note, I wrecking blow spammed my way through a shield spammers defenses on my DK that took ~5min to switch over from magicka build, so I really don't know what's wrong with shields, but...yeah. Can't we all agree to think up good solutions for problems instead of arguing pointlessly over the bad solutions implemented by ZOS?

Well @Tonturri people (aka non sorcerers) asked since a long time to avoid shield stacking by allowing only one shield at the time BUT sorcerers cried so hard that ZOS did nothing for months. Now we have ONE set in medium ONLY and sorcerers are complaining.

*** and let's be honest, sorcerers are still op, except vs a guy with shieldbreaker.

nordickittyhawk

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

Tonturri wrote: »

I have a mind-blowing suggestion.

How about we


Actually balance shields instead of playing around with a terribly thought out mechanic

On an almost unrelated note, I wrecking blow spammed my way through a shield spammers defenses on my DK that took ~5min to switch over from magicka build, so I really don't know what's wrong with shields, but...yeah. Can't we all agree to think up good solutions for problems instead of arguing pointlessly over the bad solutions implemented by ZOS?

Well @Tonturri people (aka non sorcerers) asked since a long time to avoid shield stacking by allowing only one shield at the time BUT sorcerers cried so hard that ZOS did nothing for months. Now we have ONE set in medium ONLY and sorcerers are complaining.

*** and let's be honest, sorcerers are still op, except vs a guy with shieldbreaker.

THANK YOU thats what im trying to say sorcs cant admit that there is now a counter to there OP shields which by the way takes 15 to 30 light attacks to kill them. you know whats funny as im light attacking what do they do.... stack more shields talk about refusing to adapt

CP5

Darnathian wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

So iv seen my name on some post about the shield breaker set:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/213917/shield-breakers-needs-a-cooldown

Iv mailed and whispered many many times about how im a this n that and i should go die. so im going to start screenshotting all these whispers (censored names) and put em here to just tell the sorcs GET GOOD! stop using stacking shields

i support this set

Of course you support the set if you are using it, and you are using it because you know it's OP.

It's ridiculous that a set exists which entirely ignores an entire class defence mechanic and cannot be outhealed without significant sacrifices to other skills on your bar.

And what do you think everyone else had to do to stand against a sorc or nb in 1.6? Make sacrifices on our skill bars. Wow the hypocrosy is real.

Because slotting several shields to ward off damage, shields that don't scale based on the threat around you and need to be spammed to keep light armor users alive, isn't a sacrifice to a skill bar, right? Yes, zos could have been creative and made it so that each individual shield could stand on its own and reworked shield stacking, but now people are singing this set praises because it "punishes the evil sorcerers" without even noticing that not everyone who uses shields stacks them. So go ahead, laugh it up, we'll see whats left after this.

Who is laughing? This game is a joke. I have logged in like twice this week. I use to 6 or 7. I literally don't know what is left to nerf on my beloved dk. Gdb and our tanking passives is what all the other classes said was the reason we didn't get an escape. Well now why don't we get one? Lol. Oh that's right. A cool name.

To answer your question the angry mob that's spent the last few months sprinting after sorcs are, and they don't give a hoot if anyone else in impacted by the set. DK's for example have a forbidden igneous shield that buffs their healing and guards allies, but now oh no, its a shield. Better give your allies shields with this set around, as well as yourself to make your heals more noticeable. But hey, its only a nerf sorc set, I can't take this games balance seriously myself much anymore either.

Lucius_Aelius

I don't have a sorc and I only play as a Dragonknight currently (and am only V2, Corporal rank in PvP Haderus) and I'm on console so I'm hardly an expert here, but I have to agree this Shield Breaker set sounds messed up, if they were going to fix shield stacking they should have just removed shield stacking and based all Shields around health, rebalancing Shields in the process so that they'd still be useful without being OP.

This idea of having a set which you have to use to counter it, but which invalidates Shields altogether when you use it, seems like a pretty ham-fisted response to the problem.

nordickittyhawk

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

I don't have a sorc and I only play as a Dragonknight currently (and am only V2, Corporal rank in PvP Haderus) and I'm on console so I'm hardly an expert here, but I have to agree this Shield Breaker set sounds messed up, if they were going to fix shield stacking they should have just removed shield stacking and based all Shields around health, rebalancing Shields in the process so that they'd still be useful without being OP.

This idea of having a set which you have to use to counter it, but which invalidates Shields altogether when you use it, seems like a pretty ham-fisted response to the problem.

its 2000 dmg .... on a light attack no one is gonna spam that on a dk

Lucius_Aelius

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

I don't have a sorc and I only play as a Dragonknight currently (and am only V2, Corporal rank in PvP Haderus) and I'm on console so I'm hardly an expert here, but I have to agree this Shield Breaker set sounds messed up, if they were going to fix shield stacking they should have just removed shield stacking and based all Shields around health, rebalancing Shields in the process so that they'd still be useful without being OP.

This idea of having a set which you have to use to counter it, but which invalidates Shields altogether when you use it, seems like a pretty ham-fisted response to the problem.

its 2000 dmg .... on a light attack no one is gonna spam that on a dk

That's why I'm insisting I'm no expert, but even if Shield Breaker itself isn't OP it's still a bad fix, you shouldn't have a single set that you have to wear to counter shield stacking. That's just half-assed game design, amd invalidates every other set if you want to be competent against sorcerers.

CP5

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

I don't have a sorc and I only play as a Dragonknight currently (and am only V2, Corporal rank in PvP Haderus) and I'm on console so I'm hardly an expert here, but I have to agree this Shield Breaker set sounds messed up, if they were going to fix shield stacking they should have just removed shield stacking and based all Shields around health, rebalancing Shields in the process so that they'd still be useful without being OP.

This idea of having a set which you have to use to counter it, but which invalidates Shields altogether when you use it, seems like a pretty ham-fisted response to the problem.

its 2000 dmg .... on a light attack no one is gonna spam that on a dk

DK uses ferocious leap, gains massive damage shield for short duration. During that time just spam light attacks and laugh as they take damage that can't be resisted. DK uses magma armor to reduce all damage taken, if it works this way any random shield will make that ultimate's whole purpose worthless. DK uses igneous shield every some odd seconds to buff their healing, leave themselves and their allies open to damage they can't mitigate. Just from basic attacks if someone's wearing a set of armor.

nordickittyhawk

CP5 wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

I don't have a sorc and I only play as a Dragonknight currently (and am only V2, Corporal rank in PvP Haderus) and I'm on console so I'm hardly an expert here, but I have to agree this Shield Breaker set sounds messed up, if they were going to fix shield stacking they should have just removed shield stacking and based all Shields around health, rebalancing Shields in the process so that they'd still be useful without being OP.

This idea of having a set which you have to use to counter it, but which invalidates Shields altogether when you use it, seems like a pretty ham-fisted response to the problem.

its 2000 dmg .... on a light attack no one is gonna spam that on a dk

DK uses ferocious leap, gains massive damage shield for short duration. During that time just spam light attacks and laugh as they take damage that can't be resisted. DK uses magma armor to reduce all damage taken, if it works this way any random shield will make that ultimate's whole purpose worthless. DK uses igneous shield every some odd seconds to buff their healing, leave themselves and their allies open to damage they can't mitigate. Just from basic attacks if someone's wearing a set of armor.

see THAT i can see being a problem thats first shield i can see causing a problem but i do have a counter for that sir you have a heal green dragon blood your shield duration will be gone time i can get u low health

Lucius_Aelius

Yeah I forgot to mention the fact that it screws over everyone who uses Shields without stacking, so that's another reason why Shield Breaker is messed up and a bad attempt at a fix. Also I finally figured out how to get my phone to stop letting "amd" stand as a properly spelled word! Yay!

CP5

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

I don't have a sorc and I only play as a Dragonknight currently (and am only V2, Corporal rank in PvP Haderus) and I'm on console so I'm hardly an expert here, but I have to agree this Shield Breaker set sounds messed up, if they were going to fix shield stacking they should have just removed shield stacking and based all Shields around health, rebalancing Shields in the process so that they'd still be useful without being OP.

This idea of having a set which you have to use to counter it, but which invalidates Shields altogether when you use it, seems like a pretty ham-fisted response to the problem.

its 2000 dmg .... on a light attack no one is gonna spam that on a dk

DK uses ferocious leap, gains massive damage shield for short duration. During that time just spam light attacks and laugh as they take damage that can't be resisted. DK uses magma armor to reduce all damage taken, if it works this way any random shield will make that ultimate's whole purpose worthless. DK uses igneous shield every some odd seconds to buff their healing, leave themselves and their allies open to damage they can't mitigate. Just from basic attacks if someone's wearing a set of armor.

see THAT i can see being a problem thats first shield i can see causing a problem but i do have a counter for that sir you have a heal green dragon blood your shield duration will be gone time i can get u low health

Then I will bring up Whitestrake's Retribution. You're at low health? Jolly good, here's a damage shield free of charge.