A lot of Sorcs are also ignoring something, with shields as they are currently, your defense is multitudes too powerful, especially because you don't have to sacrifice any offense for it, and this imbalance of power is ruining PvP for many.
Don't be so selfish.
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"
i have even faced a magica DK using petrify(applies ~1.2k shield on the attacked) and a lvl 1bow (25dmg on the shield) to maximize shieldbreakerspam dmg ^^
absolutly working fine this set ^^
Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »So iv seen my name on some post about the shield breaker set:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/213917/shield-breakers-needs-a-cooldown
Iv mailed and whispered many many times about how im a this n that and i should go die. so im going to start screenshotting all these whispers (censored names) and put em here to just tell the sorcs GET GOOD! stop using stacking shields
i support this set
Of course you support the set if you are using it, and you are using it because you know it's OP.
It's ridiculous that a set exists which entirely ignores an entire class defence mechanic and cannot be outhealed without significant sacrifices to other skills on your bar.
And what do you think everyone else had to do to stand against a sorc or nb in 1.6? Make sacrifices on our skill bars. Wow the hypocrosy is real.
Because slotting several shields to ward off damage, shields that don't scale based on the threat around you and need to be spammed to keep light armor users alive, isn't a sacrifice to a skill bar, right? Yes, zos could have been creative and made it so that each individual shield could stand on its own and reworked shield stacking, but now people are singing this set praises because it "punishes the evil sorcerers" without even noticing that not everyone who uses shields stacks them. So go ahead, laugh it up, we'll see whats left after this.
Who is laughing? This game is a joke. I have logged in like twice this week. I use to 6 or 7. I literally don't know what is left to nerf on my beloved dk. Gdb and our tanking passives is what all the other classes said was the reason we didn't get an escape. Well now why don't we get one? Lol. Oh that's right. A cool name.
To answer your question the angry mob that's spent the last few months sprinting after sorcs are, and they don't give a hoot if anyone else in impacted by the set. DK's for example have a forbidden igneous shield that buffs their healing and guards allies, but now oh no, its a shield. Better give your allies shields with this set around, as well as yourself to make your heals more noticeable. But hey, its only a nerf sorc set, I can't take this games balance seriously myself much anymore either.
nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »Lucius_Aelius wrote: »I don't have a sorc and I only play as a Dragonknight currently (and am only V2, Corporal rank in PvP Haderus) and I'm on console so I'm hardly an expert here, but I have to agree this Shield Breaker set sounds messed up, if they were going to fix shield stacking they should have just removed shield stacking and based all Shields around health, rebalancing Shields in the process so that they'd still be useful without being OP.
This idea of having a set which you have to use to counter it, but which invalidates Shields altogether when you use it, seems like a pretty ham-fisted response to the problem.
its 2000 dmg .... on a light attack no one is gonna spam that on a dk
DK uses ferocious leap, gains massive damage shield for short duration. During that time just spam light attacks and laugh as they take damage that can't be resisted. DK uses magma armor to reduce all damage taken, if it works this way any random shield will make that ultimate's whole purpose worthless. DK uses igneous shield every some odd seconds to buff their healing, leave themselves and their allies open to damage they can't mitigate. Just from basic attacks if someone's wearing a set of armor.
see THAT i can see being a problem thats first shield i can see causing a problem but i do have a counter for that sir you have a heal green dragon blood your shield duration will be gone time i can get u low health
Wonderful generalization there! Thanks! That totally invalidates any sorc's argument- oh wait...the only sorcs that complain are the ones that just stack a shield and expect everything to die infront of them..
Insofar as I've noticed, the ones complaining that you should actually be paying attention to are saying that the set is just plain bad design. I would compare it to detect potions and Cloak. While there is a counter, the counter is stupid.there are decent sorcs out there that still shield stack and actually use a bit more of their class uttility in order to not be bothered about shield breaker..
This bit here...What people do not seem to understand is that the supposed class utility is non-existant, a sorc MUST slot other abilities from resto staff to deal with it. Crit Surge is not dependable, especially with most sorcs (that I've seen) not slotting magelight. Furthermore, magicka sorc's spammy ability is often Force Pulse(or the other morph), which is three small attacks instead of one big attack. If any of the 3 crit, we only get that small heal, as opposed to say, a frags that crit.class uttility in order to not be bothered about shield breaker..
Just wanted to poke at this, sorcs have exactly one shield more than anyone else. Mine - with the 33% bonus morph - goes up for ~8k.with shields as they are currently, your defense is multitudes too powerful
i have even faced a magica DK using petrify(applies ~1.2k shield on the attacked) and a lvl 1bow (25dmg on the shield) to maximize shieldbreakerspam dmg ^^
absolutly working fine this set ^^
I thought about what a combo like that could go. Glad to see its working as intended.
Edit: That dk should try just punching, doesn't that proc the set and do next to no damage?
the only sorcs that complain are the ones that just stack a shield and expect everything to die infront of them..
if you would only put 1 little tiny healing abbility on your bar while still stacking those shields while having a tiny bit more health/armor/whatever.. than the shield breaker set doesnt do a thing since wardened+resto ward+mutagen/regen makes it so that by the time you get low your little resto ward will heal you full again since your beeing spammed by light attacks making those shields not go low.
its only fun to use the breaker set to annoy some sorcs that are used to doing the shield spamming while having no clue about anything else..and thats a fact since im litterly seeing this forum beeing full of them whining about 2k hits that require light attack spamming.
there are decent sorcs out there that still shield stack and actually use a bit more of their class uttility in order to not be bothered about shield breaker..
Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »So iv seen my name on some post about the shield breaker set:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/213917/shield-breakers-needs-a-cooldown
Iv mailed and whispered many many times about how im a this n that and i should go die. so im going to start screenshotting all these whispers (censored names) and put em here to just tell the sorcs GET GOOD! stop using stacking shields
i support this set
Of course you support the set if you are using it, and you are using it because you know it's OP.
It's ridiculous that a set exists which entirely ignores an entire class defence mechanic and cannot be outhealed without significant sacrifices to other skills on your bar.
And what do you think everyone else had to do to stand against a sorc or nb in 1.6? Make sacrifices on our skill bars. Wow the hypocrosy is real.
Because slotting several shields to ward off damage, shields that don't scale based on the threat around you and need to be spammed to keep light armor users alive, isn't a sacrifice to a skill bar, right? Yes, zos could have been creative and made it so that each individual shield could stand on its own and reworked shield stacking, but now people are singing this set praises because it "punishes the evil sorcerers" without even noticing that not everyone who uses shields stacks them. So go ahead, laugh it up, we'll see whats left after this.
Who is laughing? This game is a joke. I have logged in like twice this week. I use to 6 or 7. I literally don't know what is left to nerf on my beloved dk. Gdb and our tanking passives is what all the other classes said was the reason we didn't get an escape. Well now why don't we get one? Lol. Oh that's right. A cool name.
To answer your question the angry mob that's spent the last few months sprinting after sorcs are, and they don't give a hoot if anyone else in impacted by the set. DK's for example have a forbidden igneous shield that buffs their healing and guards allies, but now oh no, its a shield. Better give your allies shields with this set around, as well as yourself to make your heals more noticeable. But hey, its only a nerf sorc set, I can't take this games balance seriously myself much anymore either.
I'm with you with the set. Trust me. As far as I can tell they have ruined what made this game fun. I liked the 1 v x videos. Was fun as crap to pull one off. Then people just cry for nerfs.
I don't feel bad for sorcs however. 1.6 made your class more OP than dk ever was. You could DPS like a dk, you could tank like a dk, but you also had way more maneuverability. Any sorc that denies that was a fotm that wanted God mod. A lot of the original sorcs stopped playing their sorc because it was easy mode
Darnathian wrote: »i have even faced a magica DK using petrify(applies ~1.2k shield on the attacked) and a lvl 1bow (25dmg on the shield) to maximize shieldbreakerspam dmg ^^
absolutly working fine this set ^^
I thought about what a combo like that could go. Glad to see its working as intended.
Edit: That dk should try just punching, doesn't that proc the set and do next to no damage?
Never thought about that is not good
nordickittyhawk wrote: »This set is a really cool idea, but when you see how it works... It's just borked. I expected it to do extreme damage to shields, not go through them 100%. It's destructive to entire playstyles. Sorcs have almost no defenses outside of their shields. They need them to survive. It is not their fault that Zenimax is incapable of balancing against shield stacking by tweaking the way shields work.
Change shield effectiveness when applied on top of another shield. This is not hard to do.
bolt escape, block, dodge, pets, negate, sprint and resto staff. hmmm just like everyone else.
Septimus_Magna wrote: »Yes, because sorcs have other options to survive, oh wait, they dont..
If anyone wants to actually show me in a duel on pts, how a magicka Sorc can survive against a good player with shieldbreaker... just tell me...
Let's make a set that reveals stealth too. How does that sound?
One that makes projectiles go through wings?
I mean, since we're endorsing the removal of class defensive abilities. We already nerfed block, roll dodge, healing, and shields. Why stop there.
We need to stop nerfing everything. There are other changes that can be made to Sorcs that don't involve making their one major defensive ability useless. Sure, they have bolt escape... And you sure have a gap closer that you an spam a helluva lot more than they can spam bolt now.
Stop the nerfs, don't endorse them.
joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »Let's make a set that reveals stealth too. How does that sound?
One that makes projectiles go through wings?
I mean, since we're endorsing the removal of class defensive abilities. We already nerfed block, roll dodge, healing, and shields. Why stop there.
We need to stop nerfing everything. There are other changes that can be made to Sorcs that don't involve making their one major defensive ability useless. Sure, they have bolt escape... And you sure have a gap closer that you an spam a helluva lot more than they can spam bolt now.
Stop the nerfs, don't endorse them.
You don't need a set to counter stealth when there is already 7 different ways to make stealth and cloak utterly useless. I wonder What balances out a sorcs ability to insanely shield stack, zip zip zip, and cause massive damage all at the same time.
Now add light armor.nordickittyhawk wrote: »Septimus_Magna wrote: »Yes, because sorcs have other options to survive, oh wait, they dont..
bolt escape (nerfed), block(no stamina), dodge (no stamina), pets (eh), negate (shield right), sprint (lol), potions(already used by all) and resto staff(forced to use healing staff?). hmmm just like everyone else.
nordickittyhawk wrote: »
killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »
stop to facetank people,many sorc here fail to realize that set is useless against everyone who don't rely on shield and is useless against good sorc,since they are not target dummy try to light attack a good sorc who know how to use a cc or put pressure you will die in 5 sec,many sorc in all those thread are the one who keep reapply shield when they healt drop without move from melee range and then coming to the forum and QQ about how they die against shieldbreaker.
the problem here is the fact there is no counter to shield NO ONE if shieldstacking was counterable by some skill plus this set then yeah this set was overkill,but currently except to wear 5 pieces of a set avaible only to stamina user and you lose another good 5 set and make you weaker against other build.
for me they should rework this set and change how shieldstacking work or made some skill to counter shields.
killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »
stop to facetank people,many sorc here fail to realize that set is useless against everyone who don't rely on shield and is useless against good sorc,since they are not target dummy try to light attack a good sorc who know how to use a cc or put pressure you will die in 5 sec,many sorc in all those thread are the one who keep reapply shield when they healt drop without move from melee range and then coming to the forum and QQ about how they die against shieldbreaker.
the problem here is the fact there is no counter to shield NO ONE if shieldstacking was counterable by some skill plus this set then yeah this set was overkill,but currently except to wear 5 pieces of a set avaible only to stamina user and you lose another good 5 set and make you weaker against other build.
for me they should rework this set and change how shieldstacking work or made some skill to counter shields.
nordickittyhawk wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »
stop to facetank people,many sorc here fail to realize that set is useless against everyone who don't rely on shield and is useless against good sorc,since they are not target dummy try to light attack a good sorc who know how to use a cc or put pressure you will die in 5 sec,many sorc in all those thread are the one who keep reapply shield when they healt drop without move from melee range and then coming to the forum and QQ about how they die against shieldbreaker.
the problem here is the fact there is no counter to shield NO ONE if shieldstacking was counterable by some skill plus this set then yeah this set was overkill,but currently except to wear 5 pieces of a set avaible only to stamina user and you lose another good 5 set and make you weaker against other build.
for me they should rework this set and change how shieldstacking work or made some skill to counter shields.
Yes, great suggestions (not), should be easy enough to show me in a duel right?
Just create a Sorc on pts and show me... since it's so easy... >_>
Max stam, stam regen and weapon damage aren't useless against everyone. If you die in 5 seconds, I imagine something is very wrong, and it isn't the sorc's fault. Lastly, 2k damage against a usually ~20k health pool is NOT insignificant. Light attack weaving is also a thing. Facetanking only works if you're spamming the shields, in which case you're also not doing anything else. I had a sorcerer try to 'facetank' my stamina DK once, he couldn't get enough defenses up fast enough to deal with incoming damage.nordickittyhawk wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »
stop to facetank people,many sorc here fail to realize that set is useless against everyone who don't rely on shield and is useless against good sorc,since they are not target dummy try to light attack a good sorc who know how to use a cc or put pressure you will die in 5 sec,many sorc in all those thread are the one who keep reapply shield when they healt drop without move from melee range and then coming to the forum and QQ about how they die against shieldbreaker.
the problem here is the fact there is no counter to shield NO ONE if shieldstacking was counterable by some skill plus this set then yeah this set was overkill,but currently except to wear 5 pieces of a set avaible only to stamina user and you lose another good 5 set and make you weaker against other build.
for me they should rework this set and change how shieldstacking work or made some skill to counter shields.
thank you
And the sorc is now dead because he dropped pretty much all his defenses. Also, losing a 5 set bonus isn't the end of the world.dont use a shield the dude is now low on a 5 peice set so he is vunrable.
Gap closers and bows.dunno blink away from melee range?
Max stam, stam regen and weapon damage aren't useless against everyone. If you die in 5 seconds, I imagine something is very wrong, and it isn't the sorc's fault. Lastly, 2k damage against a usually ~20k health pool is NOT insignificant. Light attack weaving is also a thing. Facetanking only works if you're spamming the shields, in which case you're also not doing anything else. I had a sorcerer try to 'facetank' my stamina DK once, he couldn't get enough defenses up fast enough to deal with incoming damage.nordickittyhawk wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »
stop to facetank people,many sorc here fail to realize that set is useless against everyone who don't rely on shield and is useless against good sorc,since they are not target dummy try to light attack a good sorc who know how to use a cc or put pressure you will die in 5 sec,many sorc in all those thread are the one who keep reapply shield when they healt drop without move from melee range and then coming to the forum and QQ about how they die against shieldbreaker.
the problem here is the fact there is no counter to shield NO ONE if shieldstacking was counterable by some skill plus this set then yeah this set was overkill,but currently except to wear 5 pieces of a set avaible only to stamina user and you lose another good 5 set and make you weaker against other build.
for me they should rework this set and change how shieldstacking work or made some skill to counter shields.
thank you
As for counters...have you tried hitting them really, really hard? Insofar as I know, shields still take unmitigated damage, and with the buff to light armor that's even more significant than it was. Or CC? Really, it's temporary unmitigated health. I also hear DoTs work on shields.
Furthermore, all classes but nightblade have a well-used shield, and even then magicka nightblades -> healing ward. So 'everyone who doesn't 'rely' on or heck even use a shield isn't as many people as you might think...for now. I'm not saying there aren't also counters to the set, but the mechanic is...lots of people have said it. Anyway.And the sorc is now dead because he dropped pretty much all his defenses. Also, losing a 5 set bonus isn't the end of the world.dont use a shield the dude is now low on a 5 peice set so he is vunrable.Gap closers and bows.dunno blink away from melee range?
Does anyone disagree that the set is bad design? I'm curious o.o