Sorcs are mean and need to stop crying over a set ;)

nordickittyhawk

So iv seen my name on some post about the shield breaker set:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/213917/shield-breakers-needs-a-cooldown

Iv mailed and whispered many many times about how im a this n that and i should go die. so im going to start screenshotting all these whispers (censored names) and put em here to just tell the sorcs GET GOOD! stop using stacking shields

i support this set

nordickittyhawk

iv been* my mistake

CP5

Yah, lets just ruin the ability for anyone to use shields for both themselves and to support others just so the sorc revenge train can run. Who needs a carefully thought out system of play and counter play when you can just blanket nuke one system in the game and call it good.

Will love it when people get this frustration out of their system and realize this set does more than punish the 'oh so evil' shield stacking sorcs, and I will love when people post photos of themselves being killed when they got hit with healing ward or barrier. But who cares, nerf dem sorcs.

Alucardo

lol wtf. I've said this many times.. sorcs don't have a valuable self heal, they generally wear light armour and most if not all points go into magicka. Their shields act like extra health, and without it, they are extremely squishy. Telling them not to apply shields is like telling them to stand there so you can slaughter them. This post is stupid and you should feel ashamed. You'll be expecting hate mail from me next and I don't even play my sorc any more.

Garion

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

So iv seen my name on some post about the shield breaker set:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/213917/shield-breakers-needs-a-cooldown

Iv mailed and whispered many many times about how im a this n that and i should go die. so im going to start screenshotting all these whispers (censored names) and put em here to just tell the sorcs GET GOOD! stop using stacking shields

i support this set

Of course you support the set if you are using it, and you are using it because you know it's OP.

It's ridiculous that a set exists which entirely ignores an entire class defence mechanic and cannot be outhealed without significant sacrifices to other skills on your bar.

Darnathian

CP5 wrote: »

Yah, lets just ruin the ability for anyone to use shields for both themselves and to support others just so the sorc revenge train can run. Who needs a carefully thought out system of play and counter play when you can just blanket nuke one system in the game and call it good.

Will love it when people get this frustration out of their system and realize this set does more than punish the 'oh so evil' shield stacking sorcs, and I will love when people post photos of themselves being killed when they got hit with healing ward or barrier. But who cares, nerf dem sorcs.

Saw this coming. Maybe all the sorcs should have been reasonable and agreed with no more shield stacking or scaling hardened off health. Reap what you sew.

Darnathian

Alucardo wrote: »

lol wtf. I've said this many times.. sorcs don't have a valuable self heal, they generally wear light armour and most if not all points go into magicka. Their shields act like extra health, and without it, they are extremely squishy. Telling them not to apply shields is like telling them to stand there so you can slaughter them. This post is stupid and you should feel ashamed. You'll be expecting hate mail from me next and I don't even play my sorc any more.

Umm. No? He is not the one that should feel stupid. He is using the tools Zos gave us. What do you recommend? Let sorcs continue to be tanks with cannons?

Stop playing your sorc because you don't know anything but the fotm build. Text book fotm player.

Darnathian

Garion wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

So iv seen my name on some post about the shield breaker set:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/213917/shield-breakers-needs-a-cooldown

Iv mailed and whispered many many times about how im a this n that and i should go die. so im going to start screenshotting all these whispers (censored names) and put em here to just tell the sorcs GET GOOD! stop using stacking shields

i support this set

Of course you support the set if you are using it, and you are using it because you know it's OP.

It's ridiculous that a set exists which entirely ignores an entire class defence mechanic and cannot be outhealed without significant sacrifices to other skills on your bar.

And what do you think everyone else had to do to stand against a sorc or nb in 1.6? Make sacrifices on our skill bars. Wow the hypocrosy is real.

Alucardo

Darnathian wrote: »

Stop playing your sorc because you don't know anything but the fotm build. Text book fotm player.

You're pulling that fotm crap on me? Sorc was my first character in eso before I even knew what fotm actually meant. You really need some new arguments, because that one is becoming rather tiresome.

Scyantific

I don't know guys I'm looking forward to the new metagame where people join opposing factions and join a group to spam barrier so that their friends on their home faction can obliterate them with light attacks.

CP5

Darnathian wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

So iv seen my name on some post about the shield breaker set:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/213917/shield-breakers-needs-a-cooldown

Iv mailed and whispered many many times about how im a this n that and i should go die. so im going to start screenshotting all these whispers (censored names) and put em here to just tell the sorcs GET GOOD! stop using stacking shields

i support this set

Of course you support the set if you are using it, and you are using it because you know it's OP.

It's ridiculous that a set exists which entirely ignores an entire class defence mechanic and cannot be outhealed without significant sacrifices to other skills on your bar.

And what do you think everyone else had to do to stand against a sorc or nb in 1.6? Make sacrifices on our skill bars. Wow the hypocrosy is real.

Because slotting several shields to ward off damage, shields that don't scale based on the threat around you and need to be spammed to keep light armor users alive, isn't a sacrifice to a skill bar, right? Yes, zos could have been creative and made it so that each individual shield could stand on its own and reworked shield stacking, but now people are singing this set praises because it "punishes the evil sorcerers" without even noticing that not everyone who uses shields stacks them. So go ahead, laugh it up, we'll see whats left after this.

nordickittyhawk

Darnathian wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

lol wtf. I've said this many times.. sorcs don't have a valuable self heal, they generally wear light armour and most if not all points go into magicka. Their shields act like extra health, and without it, they are extremely squishy. Telling them not to apply shields is like telling them to stand there so you can slaughter them. This post is stupid and you should feel ashamed. You'll be expecting hate mail from me next and I don't even play my sorc any more.

Umm. No? He is not the one that should feel stupid. He is using the tools Zos gave us. What do you recommend? Let sorcs continue to be tanks with cannons?

Stop playing your sorc because you don't know anything but the fotm build. Text book fotm player.

i love u ... ;-;

melodeath

made a diffrent topic regarding the shields and also said that they should redo the shields instead of making a hard counter through a set.. 10+ sorcs said l2p and today went for the set and killed the emperor (sorc) with a few light attacks while he didnt know what to do all of sudden.

now you see dozens of topics from sorcs who all copied their build from a 5 second google search who all of sudden turned into "skilled" players while telling others to "adapt and l2p"

now you see those same sorcs whining about people who actually adapted to their lame playstyle with this set.

Tonturri

I have a mind-blowing suggestion.

How about we


Actually balance shields instead of playing around with a terribly thought out mechanic

On an almost unrelated note, I wrecking blow spammed my way through a shield spammers defenses on my DK that took ~5min to switch over from magicka build, so I really don't know what's wrong with shields, but...yeah. Can't we all agree to think up good solutions for problems instead of arguing pointlessly over the bad solutions implemented by ZOS?

CP5

Tonturri wrote: »

I have a mind-blowing suggestion.

How about we


Actually balance shields instead of playing around with a terribly thought out mechanic

On an almost unrelated note, I wrecking blow spammed my way through a shield spammers defenses on my DK that took ~5min to switch over from magicka build, so I really don't know what's wrong with shields, but...yeah. Can't we all agree to think up good solutions for problems instead of arguing pointlessly over the bad solutions implemented by ZOS?

But Tonturri, where's the fun in that? (I agree 100% with that btw)

ThisOnePosts

lol... all this is doing is shedding light on where all the shield stackers are on the forums.


This set is ONLY a problem for people spamming and stacking shields. If you know how to play, you won't have a problem versus people with this set. This set is specifically designed to make you play the damn game and stop stacking shields endlessly. It's to level the playing field... however at a sacrifice of 5 set piece bonuses which if shield stacking and spamming didn't exist, wouldn't be necessary. But they do, and they are only gaining more and more traction. ZOS did well this time.

I see some of the same people posting in every thread on this topic, so I figured I'd pop in and remind you, you're fooling no one. If you're against it you are either a shield stacker or were planning to be when you got back on your "Sorc". Amazingly enough, I don't need to shield stack on my Sorc but ya know... I actually learned how to play this game.

_adhyffbjjjf12

ex wow player? rather than 'scolding' the community why don't you be constructive and advise how you play that only needs 1 shield, I wouldn't mind learning another approach since I feel I need 2 shields to survive more than 20 seconds.

Paradox

This set is a really cool idea, but when you see how it works... It's just borked. I expected it to do extreme damage to shields, not go through them 100%. It's destructive to entire playstyles. Sorcs have almost no defenses outside of their shields. They need them to survive. It is not their fault that Zenimax is incapable of balancing against shield stacking by tweaking the way shields work.

Change shield effectiveness when applied on top of another shield. This is not hard to do.

nordickittyhawk

Paradox wrote: »

This set is a really cool idea, but when you see how it works... It's just borked. I expected it to do extreme damage to shields, not go through them 100%. It's destructive to entire playstyles. Sorcs have almost no defenses outside of their shields. They need them to survive. It is not their fault that Zenimax is incapable of balancing against shield stacking by tweaking the way shields work.

Change shield effectiveness when applied on top of another shield. This is not hard to do.

bolt escape, block, dodge, pets, negate, sprint and resto staff. hmmm just like everyone else.

Asmael

I'm waiting for the moment where one of my allies, in an attempt to save my skin, will actually kill me by using healing ward while a bow user spams light attacks on me.

I don't worry too much about it right now, but I'll be extra careful not to get those passives with CP that give you completely useless shields that are more likely to kill you with both shieldbreaker and the shield overflow bug.

It'll happen eventually...

CP5

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

This set is a really cool idea, but when you see how it works... It's just borked. I expected it to do extreme damage to shields, not go through them 100%. It's destructive to entire playstyles. Sorcs have almost no defenses outside of their shields. They need them to survive. It is not their fault that Zenimax is incapable of balancing against shield stacking by tweaking the way shields work.

Change shield effectiveness when applied on top of another shield. This is not hard to do.

bolt escape, block, dodge, pets, negate, sprint and resto staff. hmmm just like everyone else.

1. Its irresistible damage, meaning block does nothing, correct me if i'm wrong, and 2. doesn't blocking with no damage shield also proc this set still?

Asmael wrote: »

I'm waiting for the moment where one of my allies, in an attempt to save my skin, will actually kill me by using healing ward while a bow user spams light attacks on me.

I don't worry too much about it right now, but I'll be extra careful not to get those passives with CP that give you completely useless shields that are more likely to kill you with both shieldbreaker and the shield overflow bug.

It'll happen eventually...

I keep saying this but everyone is so bent on getting 'revenge' that they gladly ignore this.

nordickittyhawk

CP5 wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

This set is a really cool idea, but when you see how it works... It's just borked. I expected it to do extreme damage to shields, not go through them 100%. It's destructive to entire playstyles. Sorcs have almost no defenses outside of their shields. They need them to survive. It is not their fault that Zenimax is incapable of balancing against shield stacking by tweaking the way shields work.

Change shield effectiveness when applied on top of another shield. This is not hard to do.

bolt escape, block, dodge, pets, negate, sprint and resto staff. hmmm just like everyone else.

1. Its irresistible damage, meaning block does nothing, correct me if i'm wrong, and 2. doesn't blocking with no damage shield also proc this set still?

Asmael wrote: »

I'm waiting for the moment where one of my allies, in an attempt to save my skin, will actually kill me by using healing ward while a bow user spams light attacks on me.

I don't worry too much about it right now, but I'll be extra careful not to get those passives with CP that give you completely useless shields that are more likely to kill you with both shieldbreaker and the shield overflow bug.

It'll happen eventually...

I keep saying this but everyone is so bent on getting 'revenge' that they gladly ignore this.

iv tested it block does stop shield breaker and what im saying is all those options are ways to get away from anyone not just shield breaker. im trying to say they dont have to use shields and think about it... its a 5 peice set im using one set for sorcs im *** against others so in a way its a risk for sorcs now. every other class has weaknesses such as dark cloak and detect pots, caltrops and more

CP5

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

This set is a really cool idea, but when you see how it works... It's just borked. I expected it to do extreme damage to shields, not go through them 100%. It's destructive to entire playstyles. Sorcs have almost no defenses outside of their shields. They need them to survive. It is not their fault that Zenimax is incapable of balancing against shield stacking by tweaking the way shields work.

Change shield effectiveness when applied on top of another shield. This is not hard to do.

bolt escape, block, dodge, pets, negate, sprint and resto staff. hmmm just like everyone else.

1. Its irresistible damage, meaning block does nothing, correct me if i'm wrong, and 2. doesn't blocking with no damage shield also proc this set still?

Asmael wrote: »

I'm waiting for the moment where one of my allies, in an attempt to save my skin, will actually kill me by using healing ward while a bow user spams light attacks on me.

I don't worry too much about it right now, but I'll be extra careful not to get those passives with CP that give you completely useless shields that are more likely to kill you with both shieldbreaker and the shield overflow bug.

It'll happen eventually...

I keep saying this but everyone is so bent on getting 'revenge' that they gladly ignore this.

iv tested it block does stop shield breaker and what im saying is all those options are ways to get away from anyone not just shield breaker. im trying to say they dont have to use shields and think about it... its a 5 peice set im using one set for sorcs im *** against others so in a way its a risk for sorcs now. every other class has weaknesses such as dark cloak and detect pots, caltrops and more

This isn't an anti sorc set, but as long as that floats your boat I won't ramble on about how many times allies will likely get each other killed, or how skills designed for support will now be express tickets to a quick death. Carry on.

nordickittyhawk

CP5 wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

This set is a really cool idea, but when you see how it works... It's just borked. I expected it to do extreme damage to shields, not go through them 100%. It's destructive to entire playstyles. Sorcs have almost no defenses outside of their shields. They need them to survive. It is not their fault that Zenimax is incapable of balancing against shield stacking by tweaking the way shields work.

Change shield effectiveness when applied on top of another shield. This is not hard to do.

bolt escape, block, dodge, pets, negate, sprint and resto staff. hmmm just like everyone else.

1. Its irresistible damage, meaning block does nothing, correct me if i'm wrong, and 2. doesn't blocking with no damage shield also proc this set still?

Asmael wrote: »

I'm waiting for the moment where one of my allies, in an attempt to save my skin, will actually kill me by using healing ward while a bow user spams light attacks on me.

I don't worry too much about it right now, but I'll be extra careful not to get those passives with CP that give you completely useless shields that are more likely to kill you with both shieldbreaker and the shield overflow bug.

It'll happen eventually...

I keep saying this but everyone is so bent on getting 'revenge' that they gladly ignore this.

iv tested it block does stop shield breaker and what im saying is all those options are ways to get away from anyone not just shield breaker. im trying to say they dont have to use shields and think about it... its a 5 peice set im using one set for sorcs im *** against others so in a way its a risk for sorcs now. every other class has weaknesses such as dark cloak and detect pots, caltrops and more

This isn't an anti sorc set, but as long as that floats your boat I won't ramble on about how many times allies will likely get each other killed, or how skills designed for support will now be express tickets to a quick death. Carry on.

yes the one set that works on light attacks that do 2000 dmg is so op and your allies totally cant stop the one guy or heal there ally with other skills.... seriously adapt like everyone else. tanks and stam users have! time sorcs learn to grow up n take risks.

CP5

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

This set is a really cool idea, but when you see how it works... It's just borked. I expected it to do extreme damage to shields, not go through them 100%. It's destructive to entire playstyles. Sorcs have almost no defenses outside of their shields. They need them to survive. It is not their fault that Zenimax is incapable of balancing against shield stacking by tweaking the way shields work.

Change shield effectiveness when applied on top of another shield. This is not hard to do.

bolt escape, block, dodge, pets, negate, sprint and resto staff. hmmm just like everyone else.

1. Its irresistible damage, meaning block does nothing, correct me if i'm wrong, and 2. doesn't blocking with no damage shield also proc this set still?

Asmael wrote: »

I'm waiting for the moment where one of my allies, in an attempt to save my skin, will actually kill me by using healing ward while a bow user spams light attacks on me.

I don't worry too much about it right now, but I'll be extra careful not to get those passives with CP that give you completely useless shields that are more likely to kill you with both shieldbreaker and the shield overflow bug.

It'll happen eventually...

I keep saying this but everyone is so bent on getting 'revenge' that they gladly ignore this.

iv tested it block does stop shield breaker and what im saying is all those options are ways to get away from anyone not just shield breaker. im trying to say they dont have to use shields and think about it... its a 5 peice set im using one set for sorcs im *** against others so in a way its a risk for sorcs now. every other class has weaknesses such as dark cloak and detect pots, caltrops and more

This isn't an anti sorc set, but as long as that floats your boat I won't ramble on about how many times allies will likely get each other killed, or how skills designed for support will now be express tickets to a quick death. Carry on.

yes the one set that works on light attacks that do 2000 dmg is so op and your allies totally cant stop the one guy or heal there ally with other skills.... seriously adapt like everyone else. tanks and stam users have! time sorcs learn to grow up n take risks.

Its not just sorcs. There are many shields in the game and as a class sorcerer's only have one. Dk's have three shields, 2 for themselves an one for allies. Will anyone want a dk near them if they get random shields or are prompted to get one? Will dk's use ferocious leap if they are going to have to take this set for the shields duration? Or will people just keep saying "Suck it up sorcs, its our turn to kill you, lol l2p"?

Force-Siphon

Had a lot of fun fighting u with shield breaker it was an interesting challenge and I knew you had to be focused over anyone else if I saw you...good stuff bc I didn't feel like you were griefing. It's really hard to fight right now bc the update is like a week old, I don't feel like I've exhausted all possibilities for counters yet...only scratching the surface so far.

nordickittyhawk

Force-Siphon wrote: »

Had a lot of fun fighting u with shield breaker it was an interesting challenge and I knew you had to be focused over anyone else if I saw you...good stuff bc I didn't feel like you were griefing. It's really hard to fight right now bc the update is like a week old, I don't feel like I've exhausted all possibilities for counters yet...only scratching the surface so far.

LADIES AND GENTLEMAN! A TRUE SORC! ^-^

FriedEggSandwich

ViciousWayz wrote: »

lol... all this is doing is shedding light on where all the shield stackers are on the forums.


This set is ONLY a problem for people spamming and stacking shields. If you know how to play, you won't have a problem versus people with this set. This set is specifically designed to make you play the damn game and stop stacking shields endlessly. It's to level the playing field... however at a sacrifice of 5 set piece bonuses which if shield stacking and spamming didn't exist, wouldn't be necessary. But they do, and they are only gaining more and more traction. ZOS did well this time.

I see some of the same people posting in every thread on this topic, so I figured I'd pop in and remind you, you're fooling no one. If you're against it you are either a shield stacker or were planning to be when you got back on your "Sorc". Amazingly enough, I don't need to shield stack on my Sorc but ya know... I actually learned how to play this game.

You are one of the most vocal people I see posting on this subject. You spout sanctimonious rhetoric about how shield stacking is an exploit and how any sorc doing so is bad. I've read at least 4 comments from you telling everybody about how you don't even need to stack shields on your sorc. We know now; no need to keep on.

Truth is that stacking shields is only useful against magicka builds. There are only 2 to stack and one only absorbs spell damage so there is no point using it to fight stamina builds, you waste magicka if you do. So the only viable way to fight stamina builds is just to use hardened ward and then healing ward when you get low. Healing ward lasts for 4 seconds before naturally expiring, it's primary function is to heal and the more damage it takes the less it heals. This is why sorcs follow up a healing ward with a hardened ward; to protect the healing ward for 4 seconds so it heals for it's full amount. I don't need to use healing ward, I could use any other heal from resto line in it's place, it just so happens to be the best non-hot heal we have access to.

So stamina users only have to worry about one 9k ward and the occasional 4 second healing ward. This has always been the case; stamina builds have only ever had to worry about 50% of the wards sorcs stack.

Magicka users are the ones I feel sorry for cos they need to penetrate harness/dampen magicka followed by hardened ward before they get to the health pool. This mechanic is questionable I will admit but it certainly isn't an exploit, it's just an ill thought out mechanic, just like the shield breaker set. You know why I think this set is ill-conceived? Because they gave it to stamina users lol. Good one zos.

You need to be less passionately anti-sorc and more rational with your arguments if you want to maintain credibility.

FriedEggSandwich

Darnathian wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Yah, lets just ruin the ability for anyone to use shields for both themselves and to support others just so the sorc revenge train can run. Who needs a carefully thought out system of play and counter play when you can just blanket nuke one system in the game and call it good.

Will love it when people get this frustration out of their system and realize this set does more than punish the 'oh so evil' shield stacking sorcs, and I will love when people post photos of themselves being killed when they got hit with healing ward or barrier. But who cares, nerf dem sorcs.

Saw this coming. Maybe all the sorcs should have been reasonable and agreed with no more shield stacking or scaling hardened off healt Real what you sew.

I must have missed the bit where zos consulted all the sorcs and then came to an agreement with them. When did this happen? I was just under the impression zos made desicions behind the scenes.

CP5

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Yah, lets just ruin the ability for anyone to use shields for both themselves and to support others just so the sorc revenge train can run. Who needs a carefully thought out system of play and counter play when you can just blanket nuke one system in the game and call it good.

Will love it when people get this frustration out of their system and realize this set does more than punish the 'oh so evil' shield stacking sorcs, and I will love when people post photos of themselves being killed when they got hit with healing ward or barrier. But who cares, nerf dem sorcs.

Saw this coming. Maybe all the sorcs should have been reasonable and agreed with no more shield stacking or scaling hardened off healt Real what you sew.

I must have missed the bit where zos consulted all the sorcs and then came to an agreement with them. When did this happen? I was just under the impression zos made desicions behind the scenes.

They didn't make it behind the scenes, they juggled a few darts and saw where they landed.

Paradox

Let's make a set that reveals stealth too. How does that sound?
One that makes projectiles go through wings?

I mean, since we're endorsing the removal of class defensive abilities. We already nerfed block, roll dodge, healing, and shields. Why stop there.

We need to stop nerfing everything. There are other changes that can be made to Sorcs that don't involve making their one major defensive ability useless. Sure, they have bolt escape... And you sure have a gap closer that you an spam a helluva lot more than they can spam bolt now.

Stop the nerfs, don't endorse them.