Ways to Buff NB and Templar without nerfing sorc's and DK"S

coolermh

I think NB's need some sort of sheild or heal? Like what if shadow cloak provided a 10 second shield based off max health or something?

I dont know about Templars? Thoughts?


I mean its pretty clear by the poll "Strongest class in PVP" that people seem to agree that DK's and Sorc are on a different playing field than Temps and NB's

Imdrefan

What Nightblades are you playing with in Cryodiil?

olsborg

The potential for nbs to compete with said classes is definately there, ive encountered nbs that have insane dps that far exceeds that of mine (as sorc) That said, I have better sustain/suriveability. So I dunno, the balance might be just right?

Panda244

DK... Strongest class in PvP...............................................?

Armitas

What if they fixed spike bone shield? IE, Made it actually do what the tool tip says and increase the duration.

coolermh

Armitas wrote: »

What if they fixed spike bone shield? IE, Made it actually do what the tool tip says and increase the duration.

There is a start but that is a all access skill. I was thinking class skills for NB (defensively) and Templar.

Ezareth

The problem is there are so many terribad night blades out there that they've skewed the public opinion into thinking they are a weak class when they are not by any means.

Templar need bug fixes first. Then we can see how they match up

DoctorSwampy

coolermh wrote: »

I think NB's need some sort of sheild or heal? Like what if shadow cloak provided a 10 second shield based off max health or something?

I dont know about Templars? Thoughts?


I mean its pretty clear by the poll "Strongest class in PVP" that people seem to agree that DK's and Sorc are on a different playing field than Temps and NB's

If people think Templar and NB aren't strong PvP classes they're playing a different game; or they are just expect a one button win because that's what we've had since the beginning.
Templars have less sustain than they did with the shield nerf, but they are still able to do plenty with their abilities other than spam Sun Shield and Shards.
Nightblades are able to get away quite easily, and prevent themselves from being hit with Mirage and its respective pre-morph and counter morph, as well as Shadowy Disguise and it's respectives.
Dragonknights need nothing, except maybe DKs getting a real version of wings to counter the range that, you know, we don't have class-wise.
Sorcerer is awesome as is, we just need less "nerf sorc" garbage.

golfer.dub17_ESO

Buff Nightblades?

Yeah...how about you fix fear spam first.

DoctorSwampy

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Buff Nightblades?

Yeah...how about you fix fear spam first.

^ This guy gets it.

coolermh

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Buff Nightblades?

Yeah...how about you fix fear spam first.

I would happily trade the skill fear for a stamina version of bolt escape.

DoctorSwampy

coolermh wrote: »

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Buff Nightblades?

Yeah...how about you fix fear spam first.

I would happily trade the skill fear for a stamina version of bolt escape.

Dodge roll, dodge roll, dodge roll, dodge roll, dodge roll.
Sorry, did I forget Dodge Roll?

Panda244

coolermh wrote: »

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Buff Nightblades?

Yeah...how about you fix fear spam first.

I would happily trade the skill fear for a stamina version of bolt escape.

This guy doesn't get it ^

Fear is the single best ability in the game. Why hte hell would you want an ability to run away when Dark Cloak works fine

DoctorSwampy

Panda244 wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Buff Nightblades?

Yeah...how about you fix fear spam first.

I would happily trade the skill fear for a stamina version of bolt escape.

This guy doesn't get it ^

Fear is the single best ability in the game. Why hte hell would you want an ability to run away when Dark Cloak works fine

^ This man gets it.
Get this man a cookie and a DK fear!

halfbadger

Panda244 wrote: »

Fear is the single best ability in the game

You are insane. Dark cloak is.

DoctorSwampy

halfbadger wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Fear is the single best ability in the game

You are insane. Dark cloak is.

*Dark Cloak is when it works.

halfbadger

DoctorSwampy wrote: »

*Dark Cloak is when it works.

*** off. you're disabled

KleanZlate

Yes, NB is best at dodging, escaping and staying hidden and that's pretty much all I do in PvP lol. I attack, go "holy crap, that didn't even put a dent in him!" then I try to escape. Rinse, repeat. I'm well aware that I need to l2p though. There are players out there doing amazing things as NBs.

coolermh

Fear is the single best ability in the game. Why hte hell would you want an ability to run away when Dark Cloak works fine[/quote]

Dark Cloak works fine....LOL

Wreuntzylla

Panda244 wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Buff Nightblades?

Yeah...how about you fix fear spam first.

I would happily trade the skill fear for a stamina version of bolt escape.

This guy doesn't get it ^

Fear is the single best ability in the game. Why hte hell would you want an ability to run away when Dark Cloak works fine

There is a bug that makes fear unbreakable under certain situations. I'm not sure exactly what does it but some players seem to know how to reliably reproduce it. It would still be a top skill without that, but the bug is what is making the single best ability... for some...

Really, if you have issues with fear, learn the love that is immovable potion. I carry as many of those as I can....

coolermh

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Buff Nightblades?

Yeah...how about you fix fear spam first.

I would happily trade the skill fear for a stamina version of bolt escape.

This guy doesn't get it ^

Fear is the single best ability in the game. Why hte hell would you want an ability to run away when Dark Cloak works fine

There is a bug that makes fear unbreakable under certain situations. I'm not sure exactly what does it but some players seem to know how to reliably reproduce it. It would still be a top skill without that, but the bug is what is making the single best ability... for some...

Really, if you have issues with fear, learn the love that is immovable potion. I carry as many of those as I can....

So the supposed best skill in the game is countered easily by a potion... just like NB"S other escape skill is countered easily by a potion.

eliisra

Ezareth wrote: »

The problem is there are so many terribad night blades out there that they've skewed the public opinion into thinking they are a weak class when they are not by any means.

There's definitely something with the assassin archetype that attracts below average players, but I cant put my finger on it, only speculate. Might be due to history and other online games. The class with options for rouge/assassin/Robin Hood gameplay is often the easiest one the play, highest burst, fotm with best potential for PvP. Solid choice for terribads, scrubs and trashtalking teenager.

So when these terribads came to ESO they probably had all these expectations when choosing a nightblade. Must have been a major disappointment. Here you need a certain amount of brains, timing and skill, to perform well. Especially if you play nightblade.

DoctorSwampy

coolermh wrote: »

Fear is the single best ability in the game. Why hte hell would you want an ability to run away when Dark Cloak works fine

Dark Cloak works fine....LOL

[/quote]

Doesn't work when someone has already targeted you, watch one of Syphers videos when he goes invisible and it instantly cancels out.

coolermh

DoctorSwampy wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Fear is the single best ability in the game. Why hte hell would you want an ability to run away when Dark Cloak works fine

Dark Cloak works fine....LOL

Doesn't work when someone has already targeted you, watch one of Syphers videos when he goes invisible and it instantly cancels out.[/quote]


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Orchish

I cannot speak for the Templar, but Nightblade do not need buffing. What it needs is cloak to be fixed so that it works 100% of the time. When i use cloak i should not be pulled out by Whip or crushing shock etc.

DoctorSwampy

Orchish wrote: »

I cannot speak for the Templar, but Nightblade do not need buffing. What it needs is cloak to be fixed so that it works 100% of the time. When i use cloak i should not be pulled out by Whip or crushing shock etc.

Ding ding ding, weeeeeee have a winner!
NBs cloak should do as it is meant without having to drink and invis pot or what have you. I haven't played NBs in months and can tell it's still broken.
No buffs, just fixes.

Ffastyl

Templars are pretty solid in PvP. By solid I mean balanced. We have our specialty, healing, and means of debuffing and attacking an enemy or group. Templar class abilities are oriented towards support, and it takes only a small bit of ingenuity to direct that support into offense or defense.

I have not seen many Dragonknights on the field of late. I am guessing their massive numbers were due to meta-chasers who migrated to the Sorcerer camp. Either way, the Dragonknights I have fought have survivability down pat, that is their class specialty, but tend to lack in offense (most held block and played defensively). Are Dragonknights underpowered? No, I have glimpsed in larger battles Dragonknights slaying enemies.

Are Sorcerers overpowered? One build for the class is, but not all builds. Excluding the set up in question, Sorcerers have mobility. Those that can make good use of it perform well and are tricky to take down. Movement requires the most learning to be skilled at, so Sorcerers have a higher skill ceiling. For the other folk, there are ways to bolster defense as a Sorcerer and deal counter damage (Lightning Form and Bound Armor), performing similarly to a Dragonknight.

Nightblades can be as slippery as Sorcerers but not as flighty. With the use of Cloak, Fear, and a specialty in sneak attacks, Nightblades excel at guerilla warfare and dancing. Well played Nightblades pose the biggest problem to me in PvP. Not insurmountable, but they are a challenge. Considering I was about to list ways to counter Nightblades, I would say they are balanced as a class and become notably powerful when played well.

technohic

Just fix Templars first, then get rid of the KB on jabs and some of the stupid GCDs that a lot of abilities like charge and solar barrage (and make that work on the entirety of a single cast of jabs) that make it not worth the time. From there, maybe having more instant damage rather than DOTs and debuffs with slow projectiles, casts and channels.

Soulac

Panda244 wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Buff Nightblades?

Yeah...how about you fix fear spam first.

I would happily trade the skill fear for a stamina version of bolt escape.

This guy doesn't get it ^

Fear is the single best ability in the game. Why hte hell would you want an ability to run away when Dark Cloak works fine

Shadow Image is!
Dot, Damage Debuff, Live Saver, Troll Ability and the most awesome ***.
Shadow Image > Bolt Escape *grabs milk*

But yeah.. buff my kitty..

david.haypreub18_ESO

Good questions! It is clear that Templars and NBs still need some love; DKs and Sorcs seem to be fine in PvP (note I am only talking about PvP, fellow Sorcs!).

For Templars, the first step in the solution is clear, as several posters have already noted: FIX THE BUGS.

Toppling Charge and Eclipse need to be fixed ASAP.

The knockback on Jabs needs to be replaced with a snare or immobilize.

If Eclipse were fixed, I'd have a chance against Sorcs, and if Jabs were fixed, I'd be much more useful to my group in general.

Those are the easy ones, and should have been done a long time ago.

Stamden

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Buff Nightblades?

Yeah...how about you fix fear spam first.

There's a 5 second immunity to hard CC.

???