Ways to Buff NB and Templar without nerfing sorc's and DK"S

timidobserver

For Templar,

I'd like to see either Aurora Javelin or Darkflare be made into primary dps skills capable of filling the role of primary dps abilities(like force pulse, biting jabs, lava whip, funnel health, wrecking blow, ect.)

I think Templar tanks could really use some form of AoE CC. With trial leaderboard scores being 95% about time now, DKs have the advantage of being able to position mobs for easy AoEing.

golfer.dub17_ESO

Undefwun wrote: »

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Buff Nightblades?

Yeah...how about you fix fear spam first.

Sure, as long they fix talon spam at the same time....

Talons don't even work these days.

Even if they did, not exactly comparable. Everyone complains about dodge roll spam, it's easier to dodge roll than break free and talons don't prevent you from attacking other players.

shane.roberts25b14_ESO

pppontus wrote: »

...It's just impossible to survive if you get targeted by just a few half decent players nowadays...

Well there's your problem! Learn to play ;p

PeggymoeXD

coolermh wrote: »

I think NB's need some sort of sheild or heal?

I think disappearing entirely works better than a shield. And what exactly is funnel health again?

Spangla

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Buff Nightblades?

Yeah...how about you fix fear spam first.

I'd swap fear for hardened war

I'd swap fear for reflective scales

I'd swap fear for blazing shield
]
Until then s*fu

pppontus

shane.roberts25b14_ESO wrote: »

pppontus wrote: »

...It's just impossible to survive if you get targeted by just a few half decent players nowadays...

Well there's your problem! Learn to play ;p

Unless I start cheating I just don't see how I can take it when they Jesus beam me, use a skill that drops block and heavy burst for the 0,2s before I can break free.

The HP nerf should have never happened. Infinite resources should have never happened. Gah, they just *** it up.

pppontus

Spangla wrote: »

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Buff Nightblades?

Yeah...how about you fix fear spam first.

I'd swap fear for hardened war

I'd swap fear for reflective scales

I'd swap fear for blazing shield
]
Until then s*fu

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Omg haha. I wish you could actually do that, you would be crying so hard when you activate your 4k damage shield with 0 mitigation, I'd pay to see the look on your face

technohic

pppontus wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Buff Nightblades?

Yeah...how about you fix fear spam first.

I'd swap fear for hardened war

I'd swap fear for reflective scales

I'd swap fear for blazing shield
]
Until then s*fu

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Omg haha. I wish you could actually do that, you would be crying so hard when you activate your 4k damage shield with 0 mitigation, I'd pay to see the look on your face

Haha yeah I accepted the trade offer for blazing shield when he posted it somewhere else. Just need ZOS to complete the deal. Probably more like 6k on average. If you go all health in your attributes and eat food, you might get 7.5k. But then wait until it gets hit for more than that and the leftover damage then gets its crit chance and is unmitigated by any armor you might have.

Kas

Spangla wrote: »

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Buff Nightblades?

Yeah...how about you fix fear spam first.

I'd swap fear for hardened war

I'd swap fear for reflective scales

I'd swap fear for blazing shield
]
Until then s*fu

you can have my blazing shield any time.
thanks for trade

Imdrefan

Spangla wrote: »

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Buff Nightblades?

Yeah...how about you fix fear spam first.

I'd swap fear for hardened war

I'd swap fear for reflective scales

I'd swap fear for blazing shield
]
Until then s*fu

TAKE MY BLAZING SHIELD RITE NOW.

Can you imagine fear on a templar? Omfg I'm salivating.

Schurge

eliisra wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

The problem is there are so many terribad night blades out there that they've skewed the public opinion into thinking they are a weak class when they are not by any means.

There's definitely something with the assassin archetype that attracts below average players, but I cant put my finger on it, only speculate. Might be due to history and other online games. The class with options for rouge/assassin/Robin Hood gameplay is often the easiest one the play, highest burst, fotm with best potential for PvP. Solid choice for terribads, scrubs and trashtalking teenager.

So when these terribads came to ESO they probably had all these expectations when choosing a nightblade. Must have been a major disappointment. Here you need a certain amount of brains, timing and skill, to perform well. Especially if you play nightblade.

So which scrub class do you play? The ranged pet class, the paladin, or Dragonborn?

Maudieu

Shield for my NB? No thanks. Fixing cloak and fear? Yes please.

Cody

What the class lacks, is survivablility. in exchange for this, we get very high DPS. therefore, if the class were to get the self heal(s) and damage shield(s) to get some more sustainability(and no, cloak does not grant us high sustainability, its a 2.5 second long spell that can be stopped with quite a few techniques and abilties) then the damage we can inflict would have to be decreased.



oh, and to elsira(whatever the name is, too lazy to go look) thanks for that lovely speech about how assassin archetype players are "terribads" or whatever the heck you said; wonderful speech:/

so tell me, do you have like a 100.0 K/D ratio or some crap like that?

take your crap elsewhere please. you are not the only one who gets annoyed when being killed by assassin type players. Happens to all of us.

rfennell_ESO

I think the reasonable solutions is to make dark cloak remove all negative effects, heal the nightblade to full, give the nightblade a 20k shield, and make the next attack automatically kill it's target.

Will that stop the crying? My bet is no.

shane.roberts25b14_ESO

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

I think NB's need some sort of sheild or heal?

I think disappearing entirely works better than a shield. And what exactly is funnel health again?

Please tell me you don't honestly think Funnel Health is even close to comparable to Dragon Blood, or the ENTIRE Restoring Light tree for that matter! Have you even played a NB?

ToRelax

Cody wrote: »

What the class lacks, is survivablility. in exchange for this, we get very high DPS. therefore, if the class were to get the self heal(s) and damage shield(s) to get some more sustainability(and no, cloak does not grant us high sustainability, its a 2.5 second long spell that can be stopped with quite a few techniques and abilties) then the damage we can inflict would have to be decreased.



oh, and to elsira(whatever the name is, too lazy to go look) thanks for that lovely speech about how assassin archetype players are "terribads" or whatever the heck you said; wonderful speech:/

so tell me, do you have like a 100.0 K/D ratio or some crap like that?

take your crap elsewhere please. you are not the only one who gets annoyed when being killed by assassin type players. Happens to all of us.

Read again then - there's no saying that assassin archetype players are bad or anything, just that many below average players choose it. I have the same feeling tbh. Doesn't say anything against good NB, rather the opposite, NB isn't that easy to master but very rewarding.

eliisra wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

The problem is there are so many terribad night blades out there that they've skewed the public opinion into thinking they are a weak class when they are not by any means.

There's definitely something with the assassin archetype that attracts below average players, but I cant put my finger on it, only speculate. Might be due to history and other online games. The class with options for rouge/assassin/Robin Hood gameplay is often the easiest one the play, highest burst, fotm with best potential for PvP. Solid choice for terribads, scrubs and trashtalking teenager.

So when these terribads came to ESO they probably had all these expectations when choosing a nightblade. Must have been a major disappointment. Here you need a certain amount of brains, timing and skill, to perform well. Especially if you play nightblade.

Draehl

Cody wrote: »

What the class lacks, is survivablility. in exchange for this, we get very high DPS. therefore, if the class were to get the self heal(s) and damage shield(s) to get some more sustainability(and no, cloak does not grant us high sustainability, its a 2.5 second long spell that can be stopped with quite a few techniques and abilties) then the damage we can inflict would have to be decreased.

True for certain builds, but NB isn't just about being a medium armor assassin. There is clearly a great deal of intent for an attrition playstyle- Mirage, Grim Focus, Refreshing Path, Dark Shades, Sap Essence, Siphoning Attacks, Cripple, Agony, Strife. Like I mentioned earlier in the thread it is largely meta based, but even if burst build's resource management were brought into line the effectiveness of many of these other skills just isn't quite up to par.

But hey, a lot of builds need love. Stam Sorcs for example aren't exactly kicking ass right now either. Zeni really needs to quit balancing/catering so hard to the archetypical roles. The whole point of this game's armor/weapon/skill system is to allow freedom of playstyle. You shouldn't be able to throw random skills on your bar and make it work, but if logical combinations are placed into a build it should be viable. Currently this isn't the case.

AltusVenifus

eliisra wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

The problem is there are so many terribad night blades out there that they've skewed the public opinion into thinking they are a weak class when they are not by any means.

There's definitely something with the assassin archetype that attracts below average players, but I cant put my finger on it, only speculate. Might be due to history and other online games. The class with options for rouge/assassin/Robin Hood gameplay is often the easiest one the play, highest burst, fotm with best potential for PvP. Solid choice for terribads, scrubs and trashtalking teenager.

So when these terribads came to ESO they probably had all these expectations when choosing a nightblade. Must have been a major disappointment. Here you need a certain amount of brains, timing and skill, to perform well. Especially if you play nightblade.

I don't agree that NB attracts below average players... I think it is simple the hardest class to master... it takes patience and knowing when to burst... every other class I play is pretty straight forward (understand your resources and attack)...

ToRelax

AltusVenifus wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

The problem is there are so many terribad night blades out there that they've skewed the public opinion into thinking they are a weak class when they are not by any means.

There's definitely something with the assassin archetype that attracts below average players, but I cant put my finger on it, only speculate. Might be due to history and other online games. The class with options for rouge/assassin/Robin Hood gameplay is often the easiest one the play, highest burst, fotm with best potential for PvP. Solid choice for terribads, scrubs and trashtalking teenager.

So when these terribads came to ESO they probably had all these expectations when choosing a nightblade. Must have been a major disappointment. Here you need a certain amount of brains, timing and skill, to perform well. Especially if you play nightblade.

I don't agree that NB attracts below average players... I think it is simple the hardest class to master... it takes patience and knowing when to burst... every other class I play is pretty straight forward (understand your resources and attack)...

TBH, that was like it in 1.5 maybe, but now you won't kill any good players if you just do sustained damage. and burst damage, while being the way to go, is still worthless if not timed well.

AltusVenifus

ToRelax wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

The problem is there are so many terribad night blades out there that they've skewed the public opinion into thinking they are a weak class when they are not by any means.

There's definitely something with the assassin archetype that attracts below average players, but I cant put my finger on it, only speculate. Might be due to history and other online games. The class with options for rouge/assassin/Robin Hood gameplay is often the easiest one the play, highest burst, fotm with best potential for PvP. Solid choice for terribads, scrubs and trashtalking teenager.

So when these terribads came to ESO they probably had all these expectations when choosing a nightblade. Must have been a major disappointment. Here you need a certain amount of brains, timing and skill, to perform well. Especially if you play nightblade.

I don't agree that NB attracts below average players... I think it is simple the hardest class to master... it takes patience and knowing when to burst... every other class I play is pretty straight forward (understand your resources and attack)...

TBH, that was like it in 1.5 maybe, but now you won't kill any good players if you just do sustained damage. and burst damage, while being the way to go, is still worthless if not timed well.

NB only class that cannot trade a resource instantly for health through heals or shields or combination of the two, therefore cannot extend fights like other classes... I play a sorc and a Temp, both of those classes at the push of a button can mitigate damage and basically hit a pause button on combat... its a huge advantage. U could argue dark cloak is this ability... However, I don't agree.