And They Say That Bow is Fine as is

Asgari

Grim13 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Germtrocity wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

lol, No, Marked target, venom, bombard, light attacks, and some other things are mixed in, including volcanic runes. oh and stealth, maneuver and running!

Right. There's a lot more involved in being a stealth ganker than hitting a single key... not that these talon/streak spamming, batswarm dropping, impulse monkeys can see past the end of their own staff.

"Bwahhhhh, bwahhh, my group just finished running over15 people... and I do this over and over, all night with my pure cheese build and my pure cheese tactics...

..but, O M G, one bow ganker killed me because I was careless and so now I'll act like it's the bows that are the problem in pvp!"

lolllllllllllllllllll

Get over yourselves.

There is more involved in large group warfare, though I generally choose to either run solo, duo, or small group with other close friends.
The difference between the two builds is their effectiveness. You could easily spec out to be a large group player just as you can easily spec into being a one shot build. You can't complain about the flimsiness of your build when singled out because the group play build is equally weak when singled out.

When it comes down to it, both kinds of build are very cheesy, it is just the playstyle that comes with each build.

Only, I don't complain about the flimsy-ness of my build, though... It's a trade off I'm willing to make.

..And if you understood just how much thought was required to be a good bow ganker... then you'd realise that it's not even remotely cheesy.

The cheese here is the side dish to your whine.

I built a NB that I only got to v12 with v14 out and I had no issues ganking. EVER. It was so easy I stopped using the character. 9/10 everyone was dead before they hit the ground. Before and after stealth nerf. How ganking takes ZERO skill.

Easy mode says what?

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2oAk8ut9EQ

In the video I posted I don't see any names people don't know.. Your point is?

Wahee

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Germtrocity wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

lol, No, Marked target, venom, bombard, light attacks, and some other things are mixed in, including volcanic runes. oh and stealth, maneuver and running!

Right. There's a lot more involved in being a stealth ganker than hitting a single key... not that these talon/streak spamming, batswarm dropping, impulse monkeys can see past the end of their own staff.

"Bwahhhhh, bwahhh, my group just finished running over15 people... and I do this over and over, all night with my pure cheese build and my pure cheese tactics...

..but, O M G, one bow ganker killed me because I was careless and so now I'll act like it's the bows that are the problem in pvp!"

lolllllllllllllllllll

Get over yourselves.

There is more involved in large group warfare, though I generally choose to either run solo, duo, or small group with other close friends.
The difference between the two builds is their effectiveness. You could easily spec out to be a large group player just as you can easily spec into being a one shot build. You can't complain about the flimsiness of your build when singled out because the group play build is equally weak when singled out.

When it comes down to it, both kinds of build are very cheesy, it is just the playstyle that comes with each build.

Only, I don't complain about the flimsy-ness of my build, though... It's a trade off I'm willing to make.

..And if you understood just how much thought was required to be a good bow ganker... then you'd realise that it's not even remotely cheesy.

The cheese here is the side dish to your whine.

I built a NB that I only got to v12 with v14 out and I had no issues ganking. EVER. It was so easy I stopped using the character. 9/10 everyone was dead before they hit the ground. Before and after stealth nerf. How ganking takes ZERO skill.

Easy mode says what?

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2oAk8ut9EQ

In the video I posted I don't see any names people don't know.. Your point is?

I think the point is that Dk vamp 1vX builds aren't any harder to play than bow builds.

Spamming snipe doesn't take a lot of mental effort, but not every bow user smashes their face on their snipe keybind. Bow users are playing with mediocre heals, sheilds, and ult gen in a world dominated by shield stacking, heal spamming, and rapid ult drops.

"Skill" is really in the eye of the beholder I guess, but don't be quick to assume that your play style is harder or more skillful than anyone else's.

shebali

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

lol, No, Marked target, venom, bombard, light attacks, and some other things are mixed in, including volcanic runes. oh and stealth, maneuver and running!

Right. There's a lot more involved in being a stealth ganker than hitting a single key... not that these talon/streak spamming, batswarm dropping, impulse monkeys can see past the end of their own staff.

"Bwahhhhh, bwahhh, my group just finished running over15 people... and I do this over and over, all night with my pure cheese build and my pure cheese tactics...

..but, O M G, one bow ganker killed me because I was careless and so now I'll act like it's the bows that are the problem in pvp!"

lolllllllllllllllllll

Get over yourselves.

All im asking for is it to be evened out with other skills and abilities. Especially with changes coming in 1.6.3.

It is. On PTS all melee moves hit harder than bow.

Let me give you an idea.

Ambush for me hits for 35k
Uppercut 59k
conceal 43k
Snipe 32k

That is pretty balanced.

Xsorus

shebali wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

lol, No, Marked target, venom, bombard, light attacks, and some other things are mixed in, including volcanic runes. oh and stealth, maneuver and running!

Right. There's a lot more involved in being a stealth ganker than hitting a single key... not that these talon/streak spamming, batswarm dropping, impulse monkeys can see past the end of their own staff.

"Bwahhhhh, bwahhh, my group just finished running over15 people... and I do this over and over, all night with my pure cheese build and my pure cheese tactics...

..but, O M G, one bow ganker killed me because I was careless and so now I'll act like it's the bows that are the problem in pvp!"

lolllllllllllllllllll

Get over yourselves.

All im asking for is it to be evened out with other skills and abilities. Especially with changes coming in 1.6.3.

It is. On PTS all melee moves hit harder than bow.

Let me give you an idea.

Ambush for me hits for 35k
Uppercut 59k
conceal 43k
Snipe 32k

That is pretty balanced.

Its not melee moves, its the fact that buffs and scaling is broken right now...For example..I was running around shooting people with 50k Silver bolts because my character buffs got scaled up.

I could also hold block and take zero damage because it was Broken as well.

Until they fix it next patch in 1.6.3 its pointless to compare damage on PTS.

Kromus

Wahee wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Germtrocity wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

lol, No, Marked target, venom, bombard, light attacks, and some other things are mixed in, including volcanic runes. oh and stealth, maneuver and running!

Right. There's a lot more involved in being a stealth ganker than hitting a single key... not that these talon/streak spamming, batswarm dropping, impulse monkeys can see past the end of their own staff.

"Bwahhhhh, bwahhh, my group just finished running over15 people... and I do this over and over, all night with my pure cheese build and my pure cheese tactics...

..but, O M G, one bow ganker killed me because I was careless and so now I'll act like it's the bows that are the problem in pvp!"

lolllllllllllllllllll

Get over yourselves.

There is more involved in large group warfare, though I generally choose to either run solo, duo, or small group with other close friends.
The difference between the two builds is their effectiveness. You could easily spec out to be a large group player just as you can easily spec into being a one shot build. You can't complain about the flimsiness of your build when singled out because the group play build is equally weak when singled out.

When it comes down to it, both kinds of build are very cheesy, it is just the playstyle that comes with each build.

Only, I don't complain about the flimsy-ness of my build, though... It's a trade off I'm willing to make.

..And if you understood just how much thought was required to be a good bow ganker... then you'd realise that it's not even remotely cheesy.

The cheese here is the side dish to your whine.

I built a NB that I only got to v12 with v14 out and I had no issues ganking. EVER. It was so easy I stopped using the character. 9/10 everyone was dead before they hit the ground. Before and after stealth nerf. How ganking takes ZERO skill.

Easy mode says what?

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2oAk8ut9EQ

In the video I posted I don't see any names people don't know.. Your point is?

I think the point is that Dk vamp 1vX builds aren't any harder to play than bow builds.

Spamming snipe doesn't take a lot of mental effort, but not every bow user smashes their face on their snipe keybind. Bow users are playing with mediocre heals, sheilds, and ult gen in a world dominated by shield stacking, heal spamming, and rapid ult drops.

"Skill" is really in the eye of the beholder I guess, but don't be quick to assume that your play style is harder or more skillful than anyone else's.

Not true, tho I agree skill is in the eye of beholder. There are very few bow users that actually fights and huge majority is just sneaky gankers who stay hidden and/or at distance, repeating same button sequence over and over for free kills. Even said DKs template need awareness and mobility to live another day. Where those sneaky archers deserve kudoz is their skill in running away when they fail to gank target, but then again, running away has nothing to do with fighting.

shebali

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

shebali wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

lol, No, Marked target, venom, bombard, light attacks, and some other things are mixed in, including volcanic runes. oh and stealth, maneuver and running!

Right. There's a lot more involved in being a stealth ganker than hitting a single key... not that these talon/streak spamming, batswarm dropping, impulse monkeys can see past the end of their own staff.

"Bwahhhhh, bwahhh, my group just finished running over15 people... and I do this over and over, all night with my pure cheese build and my pure cheese tactics...

..but, O M G, one bow ganker killed me because I was careless and so now I'll act like it's the bows that are the problem in pvp!"

lolllllllllllllllllll

Get over yourselves.

All im asking for is it to be evened out with other skills and abilities. Especially with changes coming in 1.6.3.

It is. On PTS all melee moves hit harder than bow.

Let me give you an idea.

Ambush for me hits for 35k
Uppercut 59k
conceal 43k
Snipe 32k

That is pretty balanced.

Its not melee moves, its the fact that buffs and scaling is broken right now...For example..I was running around shooting people with 50k Silver bolts because my character buffs got scaled up.

I could also hold block and take zero damage because it was Broken as well.

Until they fix it next patch in 1.6.3 its pointless to compare damage on PTS.

That bug is only with 2h. If you use a 2h and stack buffs it stacks. I have no problems with using other moves long as I don't use the bug. The bug happens all the time, but easy to prevent. I am sure things will be changing soon in the next few weeks.

Sav72

Lucky Crit shot, thats all.

tonemd

nevermind

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Okay I have read this whole post and I have to say what no one else has the player's build one it told you that you were marked so forget about your softcapped armor it was dropped by 75% two the could have the stone that increase crit damage NBs get an 10% crit damage buff so the two of them would be 20% higher crit damage on a marked target and knowing kitty from stealth

Now as an Shadow Archer from beta I can tell you now is far from OP and let me explain why
1) my Snipe 2200~ stamina (with food) and 246~ weapon damage hits for about 600-800 and can crit 1000-1200 and the rare 1500 but that all single target it hits as hard as most popular single target attack (we all know damn well that 2500 is not the norm)

2) you just can't begin to compare single target damage to the damage "you" can do if you use AoE and that's most casters yes your AoEs don't hit that hard but it hits a few people at once single target should always hit harder you're firing at one person

3) most players that hate Snipe are rocking around in seven light with absorb magica up and that does wonders vs magic but the bow is physical you need to boost your armor it's not fair to want to power of light armor (magic armor) then go to for when you dead to a single target physical attack sacrifice some of that spell damage or regeneration for some protection

4) now as an Acher I feel you on the 5m snipe I think a min of ten meters would be fair as it was before with a 2.8 second cast time and 20m minimum people just had to step for for two seconds and they were to close or you would just fall over dead from ALL the 700-900 Instant cast frags or flying blades and of course crushing shock the power was near unusable the cast time is good where it's at a 5-10m minimum would be ok

5)Bow should do more damage to people in light armor yours fighting a war in robes arrows and blades should be a lot more effective vs light armor try going to a ( medieval battlefield in your normal street clothes)

6)bows were the first Rangers the should always have the longest ranger IMO cause it's a bow range is a archers specialty

7) to the point that we (Archers) stand on the side and take pot shots well idk if you play a Nightblade but we have two class AoEs so single target is fat more natural and effective then up against people spamming shields and casting AoEs why put myself in danger when I can help my group more by nuking the healers (and not taking damage to the one that need heals get them) if arrows are a big problem then that's cause you don't have enough archers you counter Melee with melee, seige with siege and range with range its basic

And last point yes bows are great for handling but you are alone on the path going right to a keep or outpost in next to no armor and you surprise that loan assassins are killing you really buddy system saves lives

Sphinx2318

Bows are OP

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

No bows are a long range pure physical damage weapon and most players wear 5-7 light with next to no physical damage mitigation your light armor is awesome when fighting other casters but you get nuked by the growing number of people using physical attacks.

ZOS is wrong for lowing the power of bow attacks in 1.6 by 20% just because casters refused to wear heavy or medium armor that's like saying "I want to be a vampire but all so want to take no increased Fire damage" with the bow changes in 1.6 light armored casters get the same magic bonuses and resistance and will take less damage from ONE of four physical weapon types all reward no risk

Yes right now light armor is the is all be all because of the power casters wield, but the power comes with a downside that stamina attacks hit you harder till 1.6 of course

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

Holycannoli wrote: »

Is this 1.6?

Lol no. A light attack will hit that much in 1.6

kewl

You got focused on by three people. That's why you died.

Vizier

Germtrocity wrote: »

So you complain about bow being too strong, hmm?
Bologna, bow is perfectly fine as is, not OP or unbalanced at all! It is exactly where it should be and working as intended!
If this doesn't show how broken bow is then there is no hope.





The most frustrating part is that I was hearing the snipes all along but since arrows make hardly any noticeable trace by the person firing them, it is almost impossible to locate exactly where they are coming from at times, especially when you are being max ranged.

And also why is the most powerful weapon in the game also allowed max range and a healing debuff? I know this subject has been visited countless times, but I just had to add this as i find it ridiculous that this happened

And as a side note, I am not a vampire and I am running full impen so all damage was more or less calculated normally.



Why doesn't my crystal frag hit 2.6k damage zeni!? Y u no luv sorc!?


-And to clarify, I really am not even mad at this, it is just quite silly and laughable at this point

LOL- Dude. You have any idea what it takes to be able to pull off hits like that? The sacrifice made in health and magika? They are true glass cannons and die if you fart in their general direction. Kitty is one of the most talented and elusive NB you'll never see when he ganks you. There's more to it then pushing one button. You as one of the best in your class should know this.

Kuro1n

To hit really hard with snipes you need the perfect setup and to use pots for extra damage. If every try costs you money I don't think it is unfair that it hits really *** hard.

Germtrocity

Kuro1n wrote: »

To hit really hard with snipes you need the perfect setup and to use pots for extra damage. If every try costs you money I don't think it is unfair that it hits really *** hard.

That much damage will 1 shot a majority of players in cyrodiil (the noobs, group play specs, PvE'ers, and new players).
This sort of damage is the kind of thing that drives players from the game because it shows how broken something can be.

You say he has to pay money each try, but if I could pay money and get kills for it consistently like this, hell I would spend all my money on that.

And just as a side note, weapon crit potions are around 40 gold each. If he uses a potion each try and gets a kill like this, I would totally spend every last gold piece I had on this and just be the potion king - actually hold that thought, I already dump my gold into tri stats. If it is potion warfare we are talking about, why are my expensive tri stats being outclassed by potions that only cost 40 gold each?

Kuro1n

Germtrocity wrote: »

Kuro1n wrote: »

To hit really hard with snipes you need the perfect setup and to use pots for extra damage. If every try costs you money I don't think it is unfair that it hits really *** hard.

That much damage will 1 shot a majority of players in cyrodiil (the noobs, group play specs, PvE'ers, and new players).
This sort of damage is the kind of thing that drives players from the game because it shows how broken something can be.

You say he has to pay money each try, but if I could pay money and get kills for it consistently like this, hell I would spend all my money on that.

And just as a side note, weapon crit potions are around 40 gold each. If he uses a potion each try and gets a kill like this, I would totally spend every last gold piece I had on this and just be the potion king - actually hold that thought, I already dump my gold into tri stats. If it is potion warfare we are talking about, why are my expensive tri stats being outclassed by potions that only cost 40 gold each?

Wait what... "the majority of players" and then you list noobs, group play specs, pveers and new players? They are the majority? No VR14 chars are the majority and it is REALLY rare to see someone with less than 2500 hp at that point.

He has to pay money for every try, and not every person is squishy. If a DK manage to see him he is dead meat, I mean your argument is pretty ***. What is a *** new player or some such supposed to do vs the top vamp DK players who rush and crush them? There is really no difference here. Fact is, if you know there is a risk for a ganker in a certain place then get off your *** horse and be ready for it. He will most likely not dare to fire at you and if he does you can block or dodge it. I would assume a older player would know these basic things.

You expensive potions are great but they are not supposed to outclass everyone just because they are expensive. The dmg pots are really good for that spike damage and fairly cheap at that however what it seems you fail to realize is that the guy can't use a pot himself if he gets into trouble (and hes a stam NB so he can't reliably heal himself or cloak for a very long time).

Either way, this is a non-issue in 2 days or so anyway.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Germtrocity wrote: »

Kuro1n wrote: »

To hit really hard with snipes you need the perfect setup and to use pots for extra damage. If every try costs you money I don't think it is unfair that it hits really *** hard.

That much damage will 1 shot a majority of players in cyrodiil (the noobs, group play specs, PvE'ers, and new players).
This sort of damage is the kind of thing that drives players from the game because it shows how broken something can be.

You say he has to pay money each try, but if I could pay money and get kills for it consistently like this, hell I would spend all my money on that.

And just as a side note, weapon crit potions are around 40 gold each. If he uses a potion each try and gets a kill like this, I would totally spend every last gold piece I had on this and just be the potion king - actually hold that thought, I already dump my gold into tri stats. If it is potion warfare we are talking about, why are my expensive tri stats being outclassed by potions that only cost 40 gold each?

So what all that sound two shotting would make play not want to play that game that's very true just like one Dragon Knight tanking ten people, or a Templer can out heal just about everythink unless you drop a healing debuff, and of course sorcerers blinking around before you can get the kill out every class has rage inducing powers.

Kuro1n

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

So what all that sound two shotting would make play not want to play that game that's very true just like one Dragon Knight tanking ten people, or a Templer can out heal just about everythink unless you drop a healing debuff, and of course sorcerers blinking around before you can get the kill out every class has rage inducing powers.

Doesn't count because snipers kill him, he don't actually care about new players. Templars and DKs he can zip away from. Snipes? Not so easily. This is the truth.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Breath of life and Blazing shield for Templars, greens Dragon blood plus reflective scales for Dragon Knights

DisgracefulMind

All I see is bowspammers defending their bowspamming. The fact of the matter is that you all know that your damage is incredibly too high for the low cast time and the fact that you can cast this damage without ever being seen at first. I play a DK as a main, and, even if I keep scales up all the damn time, I still get sniped to hell. It DOES push players from Cyrodiil because you bowspammers one and two shot people with a bs over-powered skill, and there are masses and masses of archers roaming around Cyrodiil.

Plz tell me you're not complaining about a sorcerer using their defensive escape CLASS SKILL to strategically place themselves away or at a better position to take you all out either. Because THAT is completely stupid. Tell me what a non-bow user sorc can use to hit 1.5K+ to one and two shot people. In fact, tell me what weapon or class skills that can do this besides bow that have such a low cast time. Oh that's right....there is none.

The fact is that bows need to be nerfed. You are all mostly looked upon as trash players, sorry.

Ah and this discussion about investing everything into making a build that can pull off these shots. Have you ever played a pure glass cannon sorc? Plz tell me more about investing a build into high damage and having to make sacrifices. The only difference is it actually takes skill to play.

And before you all QQ about reflective scale, you got it nerfed, happy? Scales would have been fine with the same Bolt nerf, but noooo you all want to roam in your 5+ bow gank groups and be able to take out the one class who stands a chance against your snipes without any difficulty level. Why is that? Because you're all trash. Easy mode seekers.

There's a huge difference between using a bow for strategy in a build and just using it because it's easy mode. Most of you use it because it's easy mode. All you cheap shot players do is make people not want to be in Cyrodiil. I said this when the bow got buffed and it has proven true: you all are turning this into Elder Bows Online. And you all think you're sooo good for taking down incredibly skilled players because you can smash one button. GJ.

Gotta keep the Bowmonkus Pactimus/Aldmeris/Smurficus species alive though, right?

DisgracefulMind

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Okay I have read this whole post and I have to say what no one else has the player's build one it told you that you were marked so forget about your softcapped armor it was dropped by 75% two the could have the stone that increase crit damage NBs get an 10% crit damage buff so the two of them would be 20% higher crit damage on a marked target and knowing kitty from stealth

Now as an Shadow Archer from beta I can tell you now is far from OP and let me explain why
1) my Snipe 2200~ stamina (with food) and 246~ weapon damage hits for about 600-800 and can crit 1000-1200 and the rare 1500 but that all single target it hits as hard as most popular single target attack (we all know damn well that 2500 is not the norm)

2) you just can't begin to compare single target damage to the damage "you" can do if you use AoE and that's most casters yes your AoEs don't hit that hard but it hits a few people at once single target should always hit harder you're firing at one person

3) most players that hate Snipe are rocking around in seven light with absorb magica up and that does wonders vs magic but the bow is physical you need to boost your armor it's not fair to want to power of light armor (magic armor) then go to for when you dead to a single target physical attack sacrifice some of that spell damage or regeneration for some protection

4) now as an Acher I feel you on the 5m snipe I think a min of ten meters would be fair as it was before with a 2.8 second cast time and 20m minimum people just had to step for for two seconds and they were to close or you would just fall over dead from ALL the 700-900 Instant cast frags or flying blades and of course crushing shock the power was near unusable the cast time is good where it's at a 5-10m minimum would be ok

5)Bow should do more damage to people in light armor yours fighting a war in robes arrows and blades should be a lot more effective vs light armor try going to a ( medieval battlefield in your normal street clothes)

6)bows were the first Rangers the should always have the longest ranger IMO cause it's a bow range is a archers specialty

7) to the point that we (Archers) stand on the side and take pot shots well idk if you play a Nightblade but we have two class AoEs so single target is fat more natural and effective then up against people spamming shields and casting AoEs why put myself in danger when I can help my group more by nuking the healers (and not taking damage to the one that need heals get them) if arrows are a big problem then that's cause you don't have enough archers you counter Melee with melee, seige with siege and range with range its basic

And last point yes bows are great for handling but you are alone on the path going right to a keep or outpost in next to no armor and you surprise that loan assassins are killing you really buddy system saves lives

To address your points:

1) Do we really all know that 2500 is not the norm? I seem to get hit by 1900+ snipes ALL the time.

2) My partner (the OP) doesn't use AoE in his build, so I have no idea how this point is relevant.

3) The OP runs a very strong Hardened Ward, and snipe will still hit through it like it's nothing. I know because I run the identical build on my Sorc.

4) I'm glad you agree on the min. range increase needed. And the cast time needs to be upped. Remember that Crystal Frags, though, does instant proc, but it's random. And we're discussing a weapon's damage, not class skills, so please do NOT compare this to Crushing Shock, because Crushing Shock does not do this sort of damage. Bows are over-powered, and you know it.

5) I agree that light armor should take more damage, HOWEVER, there should be no reason to push a playstyle out of Cyrodiil. And that is what is currently happening. No one wants to go outside of groups and all that crap because they'll get sniped almost instantly. You can't be saying you don't see the massive amounts of people rocking bows....you want your playstyle, we should still be able to use our's without getting one-shotted.

6) Yes, I agree on the range, but you should NOT be able to do this amount of damage in one-shot. Period.

7) Tell me what wonderful AoEs a sorcerer has. Don't worry, I'll wait. Again, we're discussing a WEAPON, not a class specifically.

Last point:
Have you not encountered the bow zergers? You can't honestly tell me you have fun riding the Horse Simulator Online and then get to your destination to just be downed by 5+ snipes at once?

My final point:

Bows need a good, fat nerf. You all had your fun one and two-shotting people, but it needs to be over and done with. We want BALANCE in this game, and you are all crying to keep an unbalance.

Germtrocity

2500+ health takes some planning to achieve, many people go in just to have fun and go in with around 2200~ health. As a member of a guild that is purely just there to have fun, and the active owner of a guild that is literally just for screwing around and having an overall good time, I can safely say that many people do not pay that much attention to their health as many of our members would say they feel safe with such low health.

Why do they feel safe with such low health? Because they don't expect that anything can deal that much damage, and it SHOULDN'T be able to do that much damage.

My v14 DC sorcerer has a 1 piece with health on it upgraded to gold and that much damage would leave me with ~14 health or so remaining, though he has slightly less armor, so it would actually most likely one shot him.

Anything that has the ability to theoretically and quite actually one-shot someone is completely broken, especially if you add the fact that it has such a low cast time and if it is a NB using it, they can pop shadow cloak instantaneously after and be untraceable (also in part that the snipe leaves a barely visible trail) and before you say they can't, I have seen it happen before and they can.

The fact of the matter is that stamina has been buffed crazily, and now all the bad players can pick up a bow and go easy mode. Ask any reputable or skilled player and they will concur with the statement that bow and snipe spamming is simply easy mode in the game.

And people are always saying how weak the classes are by speccing into this so much. Many stamina bow and snipe users run a 2h secondary which grants them a stamina heal. Lore purposes aside, a stamina based heal makes absolutely no sense, and if they don't run that they could run a resto staff and get the same heals that sorcerers are bottlenecked into using.

And in addition to this, the build utilizes 7/7 medium which grants insane movement speed after roll dodging, and this paired with reduction to roll dodge as well gives them possibly one of the best escape methods in game. Add in shadow cloak after that and they are possibly the most elusive to catch or kill. Sorcerers streak (keep in mind it is used for ESCAPE) has no such safety like the roll dodge does, granting complete immunity to all projectiles, and it has an increased cost and reduced magicka regen penalty for using, while your roll dodge can be spammed to your hearts desire with very cheap cost and your stamina regen takes no toll.

The fact of the matter is that bow is very powerful, much more powerful than basically anything else in the game, and the only reason a magicka build user such as myself can last so long is that I have been using and improving upon the same build since before 1.3, while I still have to be playing at top performance if I wish to survive an encounter with anyone that just happened to pick up a bow and slap on snipe.

Kuro1n

You know what I find funny? All of you kids crying over snipe when you have your own OP class abilities. I mean judging from your posts you have never actually tried playing that squishy. Saying you get hit when in reflective scales and ***... yeah well I feel SOOOO bad for you when you reflect snipes and other projectiles from 20 people at once DKs. Templars with their bubbles you can't freaking break and so on. Only sorcs are somewhat vulnerable if they don't pay attention. And Germtrocity you still didn't respond to my question, how much chance do these FEW players with under 2500 HP stand versus the absolute top DKs on the servers?

I can tell you with my build which is pretty squishy ~2800 hp and no impen the highest damage I've taken from snipe was 1850 in one hit. If you are a vampire and play in light armor and don't stack impen then you just have to blame yourself when the arrows starts raining down upon you.

EDIT: By the way if they use the poison types on you then their cloaks and *** will break.

DisgracefulMind

Kuro1n wrote: »

You know what I find funny? All of you kids crying over snipe when you have your own OP class abilities. I mean judging from your posts you have never actually tried playing that squishy. Saying you get hit when in reflective scales and ***... yeah well I feel SOOOO bad for you when you reflect snipes and other projectiles from 20 people at once DKs. Templars with their bubbles you can't freaking break and so on. Only sorcs are somewhat vulnerable if they don't pay attention. And Germtrocity you still didn't respond to my question, how much chance do these FEW players with under 2500 HP stand versus the absolute top DKs on the servers?

I can tell you with my build which is pretty squishy ~2800 hp and no impen the highest damage I've taken from snipe was 1850 in one hit. If you are a vampire and play in light armor and don't stack impen then you just have to blame yourself when the arrows starts raining down upon you.

EDIT: By the way if they use the poison types on you then their cloaks and *** will break.

OP class abilities? NBs aren't under-powered one bit. Sounds like you're trying to turn this thread into a NB QQ thread.

technohic

Meh. I was running a bow for a while. Add in camo hunter and have some hillarious shots on the white glowies from stealth; but it got old and really is not the most usefull build in the world for group pvp taking resources, and its seriously diminished on people using actual armor rather than relying on a shield to be up all the time. You also have to make sure you are not attacking a DK who is about to flap. That can be embarrassing.

Germtrocity

Kuro1n wrote: »

And Germtrocity you still didn't respond to my question, how much chance do these FEW players with under 2500 HP stand versus the absolute top DKs on the servers?

I can tell you with my build which is pretty squishy ~2800 hp and no impen the highest damage I've taken from snipe was 1850 in one hit. If you are a vampire and play in light armor and don't stack impen then you just have to blame yourself when the arrows starts raining down upon you.

Firstly, I think it is funny how you only mention "absolute top DKs" - this just points to the fact that even under 2500 HP people can last for a while unless it is simply a top tier DK, while on the other hand it can be a sniper of any skill level (they are mostly trash players anyway) that can just press one button from stealth and get easy kills.
And to add on to this point, when I was only v5 on my DC sorcerer, I was having only slight trouble dealing with the DKs that I came across. It was the snipers that gave me the most trouble sniping me from stealth with no skill because I only had roughly 2200 HP at that level. This just points out to the fact that health only becomes an issue when there is the chance of being one-shot, which should not be a thing due to the current TTK being very slow for the most part, other than the brokenly powerful bows.

And don't use the vampire argument, because I have not been a vampire in over 4 months on my main sorcerer, and never on any of my other characters.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

I don't see what all this talk about trash players using bow. I personally have been an Archer in EVERY GAME with the choice (cause Im a Archer in Real Life) for some of use Archer is just out play still but some points

1) if you have low health then stay out of Cyrodiil it's not fair to have a power nerfed cause player run around with low health in PvP that makes no sense

2) Nightblade's Hemorrhage passive + The armor set Archers Mind + The Mundas Stone that ups crit damage (I run a weapon power build not a crit build so I don't know which one it is)
And you have 35% bonus to crit damage and crit damage is up on its own

3)Everyone on this post who thinks that all Archers have it easy had never picked up a bow
•you need range cause that's when your Long Shots bonus kicks in and the bow drops your weapon power because of the range you can hit (snipe is the only one with longer range then 28 meters)
•you pretty much HAVE to go full light to rightly use a bow (poor magic for class powers and only okay armor)

2)I go back to my FULL LIGHT ARMOR not be a good idea on the Battlefield argument

3) Casters have tons of powers the returns magic or ups your max magic stamina has nothing like that even in 1.6 that return stamina or increase max stamina so if you don't get nuked the archer WILL run out of stamina long before you run out of magic

4) because of the cast time most powers hit HARDER then snipe you have to remember you can spam crushing shock or flying blades 3-4 times in a second so it evens out

5) you can't make an argument about the power of attacks when it's from a ganker when I was a magic assassin I used Ambush > Shadowly Disguise > Soul Harvest and Impale of they were some how still alive but 9 out of 10 times the fight was over before they knew it started

6) Assassins and gankers will always find away to kill in a few seconds

7) the power it self is NOT OP and bow is far from OP (it drops your weapon power) the four other powers with no cast time fall in line with all other powers with no cast time, and the base damage of snipe falls in line with ALL other powers with a cast time

8) Nerf the build not the power

DisgracefulMind

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

I don't see what all this talk about trash players using bow. I personally have been an Archer in EVERY GAME with the choice (cause Im a Archer in Real Life) for some of use Archer is just out play still but some points

1) if you have low health then stay out of Cyrodiil it's not fair to have a power nerfed cause player run around with low health in PvP that makes no sense

2) Nightblade's Hemorrhage passive + The armor set Archers Mind + The Mundas Stone that ups crit damage (I run a weapon power build not a crit build so I don't know which one it is)
And you have 35% bonus to crit damage and crit damage is up on its own

3)Everyone on this post who thinks that all Archers have it easy had never picked up a bow
•you need range cause that's when your Long Shots bonus kicks in and the bow drops your weapon power because of the range you can hit (snipe is the only one with longer range then 28 meters)
•you pretty much HAVE to go full light to rightly use a bow (poor magic for class powers and only okay armor)

2)I go back to my FULL LIGHT ARMOR not be a good idea on the Battlefield argument

3) Casters have tons of powers the returns magic or ups your max magic stamina has nothing like that even in 1.6 that return stamina or increase max stamina so if you don't get nuked the archer WILL run out of stamina long before you run out of magic

4) because of the cast time most powers hit HARDER then snipe you have to remember you can spam crushing shock or flying blades 3-4 times in a second so it evens out

5) you can't make an argument about the power of attacks when it's from a ganker when I was a magic assassin I used Ambush > Shadowly Disguise > Soul Harvest and Impale of they were some how still alive but 9 out of 10 times the fight was over before they knew it started

6) Assassins and gankers will always find away to kill in a few seconds

7) the power it self is NOT OP and bow is far from OP (it drops your weapon power) the four other powers with no cast time fall in line with all other powers with no cast time, and the base damage of snipe falls in line with ALL other powers with a cast time

8) Nerf the build not the power

If you use your bow because that's the build you love, then that doesn't make you a trash player. If you use bow, like almost everyone in Cyrodiil does because they picked it up after the huge buff it got, just because it's easy mode, you're a trash player.

1) This is the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. We WANT new players to come into Cyrodiil. We don't want to push them out.

2) For starters, I run full impen, so does the OP, so this crit damage should be significantly decreased. Now imagine in 1.6 with the impen nerf...yeah, there's needs to be a rebalance to how this works.

3) You do have it easy. Why else do you think all these players pick up bow? Least amount of skill needed to play in-game.

-Light armor is ideal for casters. Casters should be viable in PvP, not one-shot. Again, I've already stated this.

4) Again, casters. Casters should have a consistent flow of magicka. That's the glass-cannon structure. I don't see how this point is relevant at all. As for spamming crushing shock--> Crushing shock does not do this amount of damage, and can be efficiently seen and even defeated, so I don't see your point, still.

5) Again, NBs are not under-powered, no matter what build they run, their burst is absolutely insane.

6) Wonderful, and this is fine, except when every damn class in the game can pick up a bs OP weapon and do this. I even hate DK archers more than NB archers. It's easy mode for every class.

7) No, snipe does not fall in line with any other weapon skill with a cast time. It's way more over-powered than any other weapon attack.

8) Nerf the power and the build. Why else do you think people are insanely SICK of this crap? It needs to be brought down a few levels.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Why should people with low health meaning they take fewer hits expect to survive an ambush?!?? Yes new players would be awesome be not having enough health helps no ones and taxes all near by healers (heals go to the lowers health player in range)

Yes as base damage snipe hits much harder then crushing shock but you can launch off a few of then in the time span it takes one snipe and my snipe normally hit around 700-1000 but does hit hard SOMETIMES, but according to my death recap that's about the same Crystal fragments and all other powers with a cast time

Look I got you point some people can drop insane power with a snipe but that's not every single archer with 70% of the people in PvP being casters that can spam a class shield (exception being Nightblades because we don't have one) + plus a Healing Ward then doing burst, range physical attacks will become the most hated build just cause it works so well

I know you may not except this and most likely most people will hate this statement but with powers that increase your maximum magic powers that return magic and the sheer power casters have they should have to fight with Wards and Magic shields up as a trade off for all the magic they can put down

Now as a magic build you may not notice it because you have high spell resist but as a stamina Build I get nuked by magic (burst then down and then up goes shield after shield) all the time a fair trade-off for having so much power is being very weak against physical attack yes some peoples snipe builds are op but same can be done with any power remember as an Archer my base damage for snipe is 685 the power is no OP the pure Glass cannon launching it is