And They Say That Bow is Fine as is

Asgari

kevin.moorenyrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Like others have said, to get this damage all you really have to do is spec correctly for it. I've seen magica nbs & stamina built sorcs hit higher numbers then this.



The poison debuff & Cast time is a little stupid, but complaining about the damage just seems unreasonable. A build made to ruin someone out of stealth at the expense of all survivability should be able to do this in my eyes.

We all die to it now and again, but i'm sure you've rolled far more gank builds then they have you.

You share a pic of a high dmg done by an ultimate... Not a weapon ability that can be spammed and yield more consistent high dos than anything else.

izjiz

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

You share a pic of a high dmg done by an ultimate... Not a weapon ability that can be spammed and yield more consistent high dos than anything else.

This thread isn't showcasing any of that though. They said the skill was "broken" due to its high damage from a stealth hit, which is unreasonable seeing as other glass cannon specs can do the same with other skills.

Uppercut is a weapon ability that can easily throw out a 2k+ hit from stealth in the correct spec if you feel this doesn't count due to being an ultimate.

I did say the almost "instant" cast time was bogus in agreement, which if re-increased would lower the sustained dps, but as for the burst, i see no problem.

Poxheart

Germtrocity wrote: »

So you complain about bow being too strong, hmm?
Bologna, bow is perfectly fine as is, not OP or unbalanced at all! It is exactly where it should be and working as intended!
If this doesn't show how broken bow is then there is no hope.

And here we see the plaintive wailing of a common EP batpulsespammer caught away from his herd.

Asgari

kevin.moorenyrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

You share a pic of a high dmg done by an ultimate... Not a weapon ability that can be spammed and yield more consistent high dos than anything else.

This thread isn't showcasing any of that though. They said the skill was "broken" due to its high damage from a stealth hit, which is unreasonable seeing as other glass cannon specs can do the same with other skills.

Uppercut is a weapon ability that can easily throw out a 2k+ hit from stealth in the correct spec if you feel this doesn't count due to being an ultimate.

I did say the almost "instant" cast time was bogus in agreement, which if re-increased would lower the sustained dps, but as for the burst, i see no problem.

you forget hat in order to use the 2h ability you need to be within 5m of a person. However, with bow you can be 30+ m away depending on buffs from PvP. There is no reason it does so much all in one.

Pancake-Tragedy

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

kevin.moorenyrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

You share a pic of a high dmg done by an ultimate... Not a weapon ability that can be spammed and yield more consistent high dos than anything else.

This thread isn't showcasing any of that though. They said the skill was "broken" due to its high damage from a stealth hit, which is unreasonable seeing as other glass cannon specs can do the same with other skills.

Uppercut is a weapon ability that can easily throw out a 2k+ hit from stealth in the correct spec if you feel this doesn't count due to being an ultimate.

I did say the almost "instant" cast time was bogus in agreement, which if re-increased would lower the sustained dps, but as for the burst, i see no problem.

you forget hat in order to use the 2h ability you need to be within 5m of a person. However, with boy you can be 30+ m away depending on buffs from PvP. There is no reason it does so much all in one.

Asgari

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

kevin.moorenyrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

You share a pic of a high dmg done by an ultimate... Not a weapon ability that can be spammed and yield more consistent high dos than anything else.

This thread isn't showcasing any of that though. They said the skill was "broken" due to its high damage from a stealth hit, which is unreasonable seeing as other glass cannon specs can do the same with other skills.

Uppercut is a weapon ability that can easily throw out a 2k+ hit from stealth in the correct spec if you feel this doesn't count due to being an ultimate.

I did say the almost "instant" cast time was bogus in agreement, which if re-increased would lower the sustained dps, but as for the burst, i see no problem.

you forget hat in order to use the 2h ability you need to be within 5m of a person. However, with boy you can be 30+ m away depending on buffs from PvP. There is no reason it does so much all in one.

yes sorry i miss typed. Thank you glorious typo ***

shebali

I guess people don't read the PTS patch notes or anything. The bow has had the damage lowered by around 20-30% base damage. While melee hits 20-30% harder.

My light attack went from 600-700 crits on live to 400 crits on PTS. ( full 3200 CP)

People will QQ no matter what.

You should be happy people use the bow, because with bow you can roll and see it coming. Sneak attack with melee insta gibs, not much you can do.

thelordoffelines

But sniping is easy in real life right?

Grim13

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Even when overcharged in armor and running 5 impen I will still get hit by 1500 dmg snipes. Idk how bad it is in 1.6 but in pre 1.6 it's the most easy mode broken skill in the game.

Also @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌ @ZOS_AJ‌ @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ , is it intended to have one player be able to stand at a resource and snipe down the guards that protect it and just stand on the flag once they are all dead? All while not being attacked once by a guard.

Bwahahahahaah.

Easy mode = DK.

eliisra

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

you forget hat in order to use the 2h ability you need to be within 5m of a person. However, with bow you can be 30+ m away depending on buffs from PvP. There is no reason it does so much all in one.

Agreed, I can get around 50 meters range on my Snipe in PvP, that's out of range of any Mage's Lights or annoying Alliance NPCs. So I really dont understand why anyone would compare this to a 5-7 meters mele ability, that's not boosted by Reach passive. Upper-cutting someone from sneak is pretty damn hard and involves the usage of detection potion, player skill and environmental awareness. Cant say the same for Lethal arrow or Focused aim.

Besides you cant use bugged travelling times and latency to your advantage, when mele ganking. So you're only going to hit a players once, before they break out and block+turtle up.

Asgari

Grim13 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Even when overcharged in armor and running 5 impen I will still get hit by 1500 dmg snipes. Idk how bad it is in 1.6 but in pre 1.6 it's the most easy mode broken skill in the game.

Also @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌ @ZOS_AJ‌ @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ , is it intended to have one player be able to stand at a resource and snipe down the guards that protect it and just stand on the flag once they are all dead? All while not being attacked once by a guard.

Bwahahahahaah.

Easy mode = DK.

Those stats are coming from my Sorc, not DK.

Grim13

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Even when overcharged in armor and running 5 impen I will still get hit by 1500 dmg snipes. Idk how bad it is in 1.6 but in pre 1.6 it's the most easy mode broken skill in the game.

Also @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌ @ZOS_AJ‌ @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ , is it intended to have one player be able to stand at a resource and snipe down the guards that protect it and just stand on the flag once they are all dead? All while not being attacked once by a guard.

Bwahahahahaah.

Easy mode = DK.

Those stats are coming from my Sorc, not DK.

Look, I know for a fact that the OP is a block casting, dmg shield abuser... so one person gets a flukily large crit on him with a bow... and it's straight to the forums for another bow QQ thread!?

..And as someone who plays a DK you should be more than well aware that of all the imbalanced and abused "easy mode" skills in the game... Snipe is pretty far down the list.

In fact, I don't think it's imbalanced.

You have to go so far out of your way to even set yourself up for the very slim chance of a crit like that that you're limiting yourself in almost every other way.

Asgari

Grim13 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Even when overcharged in armor and running 5 impen I will still get hit by 1500 dmg snipes. Idk how bad it is in 1.6 but in pre 1.6 it's the most easy mode broken skill in the game.

Also @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌ @ZOS_AJ‌ @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ , is it intended to have one player be able to stand at a resource and snipe down the guards that protect it and just stand on the flag once they are all dead? All while not being attacked once by a guard.

Bwahahahahaah.

Easy mode = DK.

Those stats are coming from my Sorc, not DK.

Look, I know for a fact that the OP is a block casting, dmg shield abuser... so one person gets a flukily large crit on him with a bow... and it's straight to the forums for another bow QQ thread!?

..And as someone who plays a DK you should be more than well aware that of all the imbalanced and abused "easy mode" skills in the game... Snipe is pretty far down the list.

In fact, I don't think it's imbalanced.

You have to go so far out of your way to even set yourself up for the very slim chance of a crit like that that you're limiting yourself in almost every other way.

If reflect didn't have an infinite amount in pre 1.6 DKs would be on here complaining too. I get you are a NB who chooses to lurk in the shadows and snipe people off of horses but going beyond ganking bow is the highest single target dps in the game right now.

Valnas

it's not bows. it's stealth crits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mal7htZMYA

obviously this is a demo vid, but it's very demonstrative.

the bonus is still decent on live. maybe 20% over a normal crit.

w/ a 2500+ stam, 230+ wpn dmg build, if your bubble isn't up those crits are just a matter of the person being in position to pull the trigger. it ignores your ***.

positional dmg in this game is so badly done and understood but, thats where these gaudy #'s are from. You'll never see 2 2500 lethal/focus'd. It's always 1 guy at your back in stealth (not invis, they're giving this bonus up if they don't kill you and are stuck out of closed eye sneak)

shebali

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Even when overcharged in armor and running 5 impen I will still get hit by 1500 dmg snipes. Idk how bad it is in 1.6 but in pre 1.6 it's the most easy mode broken skill in the game.

Also @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌ @ZOS_AJ‌ @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ , is it intended to have one player be able to stand at a resource and snipe down the guards that protect it and just stand on the flag once they are all dead? All while not being attacked once by a guard.

Bwahahahahaah.

Easy mode = DK.

Those stats are coming from my Sorc, not DK.

Look, I know for a fact that the OP is a block casting, dmg shield abuser... so one person gets a flukily large crit on him with a bow... and it's straight to the forums for another bow QQ thread!?

..And as someone who plays a DK you should be more than well aware that of all the imbalanced and abused "easy mode" skills in the game... Snipe is pretty far down the list.

In fact, I don't think it's imbalanced.

You have to go so far out of your way to even set yourself up for the very slim chance of a crit like that that you're limiting yourself in almost every other way.

If reflect didn't have an infinite amount in pre 1.6 DKs would be on here complaining too. I get you are a NB who chooses to lurk in the shadows and snipe people off of horses but going beyond ganking bow is the highest single target dps in the game right now.

Bow is nerfed in 1.6. Everyone just needs to wait until 1.6 then you will see some real problems come out.

Armitas

Germtrocity wrote: »

This is why I lol when people say "nerf block casting and blocking in pvp". Anyone care to guess why everyone is holding down block?

"prepare for a fast paced battle!" Sounds so exciting and yet it isn't.

Asgari

shebali wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Even when overcharged in armor and running 5 impen I will still get hit by 1500 dmg snipes. Idk how bad it is in 1.6 but in pre 1.6 it's the most easy mode broken skill in the game.

Also @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌ @ZOS_AJ‌ @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ , is it intended to have one player be able to stand at a resource and snipe down the guards that protect it and just stand on the flag once they are all dead? All while not being attacked once by a guard.

Bwahahahahaah.

Easy mode = DK.

Those stats are coming from my Sorc, not DK.

Look, I know for a fact that the OP is a block casting, dmg shield abuser... so one person gets a flukily large crit on him with a bow... and it's straight to the forums for another bow QQ thread!?

..And as someone who plays a DK you should be more than well aware that of all the imbalanced and abused "easy mode" skills in the game... Snipe is pretty far down the list.

In fact, I don't think it's imbalanced.

You have to go so far out of your way to even set yourself up for the very slim chance of a crit like that that you're limiting yourself in almost every other way.

If reflect didn't have an infinite amount in pre 1.6 DKs would be on here complaining too. I get you are a NB who chooses to lurk in the shadows and snipe people off of horses but going beyond ganking bow is the highest single target dps in the game right now.

Bow is nerfed in 1.6. Everyone just needs to wait until 1.6 then you will see some real problems come out.

I'm aware of a few "bugs" in 1.6 that will ruin pvp that have yet to be addressed. Just wait until people get 1 shot from 2h bug or the NB bug haha .. Oh 1.6 will be a joy!

Columba

As a medium armor wearer, I never get sniped for more than 1000. Are people not wearing armor. I also have penetration and extra armor on jewelry.

shebali

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

shebali wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Even when overcharged in armor and running 5 impen I will still get hit by 1500 dmg snipes. Idk how bad it is in 1.6 but in pre 1.6 it's the most easy mode broken skill in the game.

Also @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌ @ZOS_AJ‌ @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ , is it intended to have one player be able to stand at a resource and snipe down the guards that protect it and just stand on the flag once they are all dead? All while not being attacked once by a guard.

Bwahahahahaah.

Easy mode = DK.

Those stats are coming from my Sorc, not DK.

Look, I know for a fact that the OP is a block casting, dmg shield abuser... so one person gets a flukily large crit on him with a bow... and it's straight to the forums for another bow QQ thread!?

..And as someone who plays a DK you should be more than well aware that of all the imbalanced and abused "easy mode" skills in the game... Snipe is pretty far down the list.

In fact, I don't think it's imbalanced.

You have to go so far out of your way to even set yourself up for the very slim chance of a crit like that that you're limiting yourself in almost every other way.

If reflect didn't have an infinite amount in pre 1.6 DKs would be on here complaining too. I get you are a NB who chooses to lurk in the shadows and snipe people off of horses but going beyond ganking bow is the highest single target dps in the game right now.

Bow is nerfed in 1.6. Everyone just needs to wait until 1.6 then you will see some real problems come out.

I'm aware of a few "bugs" in 1.6 that will ruin pvp that have yet to be addressed. Just wait until people get 1 shot from 2h bug or the NB bug haha .. Oh 1.6 will be a joy!

That is the extra, I won't even get into that. But, 2H without bugs / melee do more damage. Plus everone will have a smaller amount of HP until you unlock a large amount of Champ points.

Melee is much stronger than bow in 1.6 ( without bugs), but I bet this won't stop the QQ.

Melee, I can crit for 40-50k no bugs.
Bow, I can crit for 30k no bugs.

I could do higher, but I like having more than 12k HP.

Asgari

Columba wrote: »

As a medium armor wearer, I never get sniped for more than 1000. Are people not wearing armor. I also have penetration and extra armor on jewelry.

Like I said, overcharged armor + 5 impen and still getting hit from stealth for 1500. Yet I've never had a 2h hit me that hard from stealth and that's happened multiple times when ganking on my sorc.

Grim13

Armitas wrote: »

Germtrocity wrote: »

This is why I lol when people say "nerf block casting and blocking in pvp". Anyone care to guess why everyone is holding down block?

"prepare for a fast paced battle!" Sounds so exciting and yet it isn't.

Only block casting has been around for a lot longer than snipe has been this powerful... so, what was the reason for perma-blocking then?

There's always going to be something that kills you. Stop whining whenever it happens.

Grim13

Columba wrote: »

As a medium armor wearer, I never get sniped for more than 1000. Are people not wearing armor. I also have penetration and extra armor on jewelry.

It's almost as if they're all wearing light armor or something...

shebali

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

As a medium armor wearer, I never get sniped for more than 1000. Are people not wearing armor. I also have penetration and extra armor on jewelry.

Like I said, overcharged armor + 5 impen and still getting hit from stealth for 1500. Yet I've never had a 2h hit me that hard from stealth and that's happened multiple times when ganking on my sorc.

Are you a vamp?

I am with columba, I get hit for maybe 1100 or so.

Asgari

Grim13 wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Germtrocity wrote: »

This is why I lol when people say "nerf block casting and blocking in pvp". Anyone care to guess why everyone is holding down block?

"prepare for a fast paced battle!" Sounds so exciting and yet it isn't.

Only block casting has been around for a lot longer than snipe has been this powerful... so, what was the reason for perma-blocking then?

There's always going to be something that kills you. Stop whining whenever it happens.

You are still looking past the issue. The TTK is far above average while using now compared to everything else. NBs have a great stealth attack synergy which is understandable. But when any class can pick up a weapon and 2 shot you don't you think there is an issue.

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

As a medium armor wearer, I never get sniped for more than 1000. Are people not wearing armor. I also have penetration and extra armor on jewelry.

It's almost as if they're all wearing light armor or something...

What is your armor rating with 7/7 medium? And how many impen are you using?

Grim13

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Germtrocity wrote: »

This is why I lol when people say "nerf block casting and blocking in pvp". Anyone care to guess why everyone is holding down block?

"prepare for a fast paced battle!" Sounds so exciting and yet it isn't.

Only block casting has been around for a lot longer than snipe has been this powerful... so, what was the reason for perma-blocking then?

There's always going to be something that kills you. Stop whining whenever it happens.

You are still looking past the issue. The TTK is far above average while using now compared to everything else. NBs have a great stealth attack synergy which is understandable. But when any class can pick up a weapon and 2 shot you don't you think there is an issue.

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

As a medium armor wearer, I never get sniped for more than 1000. Are people not wearing armor. I also have penetration and extra armor on jewelry.

It's almost as if they're all wearing light armor or something...

What is your armor rating with 7/7 medium? And how many impen are you using?

I am softcapped for armor and spell resist... and am wearing 700 impenetrable.

BUT, that is not why I rarely ever die to just a bow user... I rarely die to one because of my situational awareness.

Plus, it doesn't hurt being Bosmer and having natural poison resistance.

There are several very easy ways to avoid being ganked by bow users, and multiple ways to avoid being overwhelmed by them on a crowded battle field... but I'm not going to mention them here because that'll be less kills for me, lol.

I will say this: when I die to a bow user... I consider it my fault.

Asgari

My sorc has overcharged spell resist and armor w/500 impen. I also regularly see bow damage of 800- 1500 dmg on death logs in fights yet I don't see anything else hitting that high. 600 max on other hits from skills and other weapons.

shebali

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

My sorc has overcharged spell resist and armor w/500 impen. I also regularly see bow damage of 800- 1500 dmg on death logs in fights yet I don't see anything else hitting that high. 600 max on other hits from skills and other weapons.

That is because everything has been nerfed. I went from opening on a target 1300 on a melee skill to 800. They change everything all the time. I might start messing with people on uppercut. I can open with 2k on that and follow up with another 1200 in less than half a second.

Grim13 wrote: »

I will say this: when I die to a bow user... I consider it my fault.

THIS!

Asgari

shebali wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

My sorc has overcharged spell resist and armor w/500 impen. I also regularly see bow damage of 800- 1500 dmg on death logs in fights yet I don't see anything else hitting that high. 600 max on other hits from skills and other weapons.

That is because everything has been nerfed. I went from opening on a target 1300 on a melee skill to 800. They change everything all the time. I might start messing with people on uppercut. I can open with 2k on that and follow up with another 1200 in less than half a second.

They made the TTK lower on many things minus bow. It is about time they adjust this as well. The pvp section is about fighting, you can't fight when ur dead in a 1.0 second burst.

Armitas

Grim13 wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Germtrocity wrote: »

This is why I lol when people say "nerf block casting and blocking in pvp". Anyone care to guess why everyone is holding down block?

"prepare for a fast paced battle!" Sounds so exciting and yet it isn't.

Only block casting has been around for a lot longer than snipe has been this powerful... so, what was the reason for perma-blocking then?

Block casting has always existed but it's prevalence has not. It's major prevalence became a thing when getting "1" shotted as soon as you unblock became a thing.

Germtrocity

Poxheart wrote: »

Germtrocity wrote: »

So you complain about bow being too strong, hmm?
Bologna, bow is perfectly fine as is, not OP or unbalanced at all! It is exactly where it should be and working as intended!
If this doesn't show how broken bow is then there is no hope.

And here we see the plaintive wailing of a common EP batpulsespammer caught away from his herd.

And here we see the generalization of the EP faction from someone who clearly didn't pay attention to any other posts on this thread but noticed that I was in the EP faction and immediately became enraged by that fact