And They Say That Bow is Fine as is

Columba

I have 2100 armor and 2000 spell resists. Impenetrable is around 650. Not sure how these huge hits are happening.

Lord_Bidr

To people saying the game isn't realistic, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycf2ymsa7qY&t=0m48s

It's realistic enough =P

thelordoffelines

Columba wrote: »

I have 2100 armor and 2000 spell resists. Impenetrable is around 650. Not sure how these huge hits are happening.

And if I were to guess it would be because......

Those high numbers come from crits....

most people including you run a lot of impen so crits are rare other than sneak attack crits....

You're not being sneak attacked because you're the one doing the sneaking.

k2blader

kijima wrote: »

So, if it's so OP was doesn't everyone use a bow?

I'm thinking a decent amount of the people who choose not to use a bow do so because they know it's OP and they want more actual challenge/skill/fun.

MrGhosty

I will agree that the shortened cast time didn't really feel needed in PvP but until they start balancing these skills separately as they should have been doing from the start, I don't believe we'll ever see proper balance.

As for the TTK I can't say it bothers me much, cumulative effects accomplish the same task and it doesn't make me any less dead when it was one person, two people, or a zerg. I can't say that I've ever been hit with massive dmg numbers from bow users myself, but I will freely admit that I don't have as much time as I would like to devote to PvP so I'm willing to believe that my experience is not typical. I do see how bow has become extremely popular, particularly after it took so long to sort the health debuff bug but I'm still more often destroyed by Talons that can't be broken, or repeat shield charges, etc.

My point is, that it doesn't really matter to me if it was one shot that killed me or several stacked on top of each other because I couldn't fight out of it either way. So while I would support snipe having its cast time increased nearer to the original numbers, I don't think people who have specialized into one build should be penalized and have their niche removed. It is too early to tell though how much is going to change since 1.6 is probably going to break everyones builds so this may soon become a non issue.

Roechacca

1.6 will be one bar full of shield stacks and cloak and one bar full of Bow and Fighters Guild buffs .

I don't care if anyone doesn't like it . In fact I hope they hate it .

Grim13

Armitas wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Germtrocity wrote: »

This is why I lol when people say "nerf block casting and blocking in pvp". Anyone care to guess why everyone is holding down block?

"prepare for a fast paced battle!" Sounds so exciting and yet it isn't.

Only block casting has been around for a lot longer than snipe has been this powerful... so, what was the reason for perma-blocking then?

Block casting has always existed but it's prevalence has not. It's major prevalence became a thing when getting "1" shotted as soon as you unblock became a thing.

That's simply flat out wrong. Blockcasting had been prevalent for months prior to the changes to snipe.

Grim13

Columba wrote: »

I have 2100 armor and 2000 spell resists. Impenetrable is around 650. Not sure how these huge hits are happening.

I have 2000 spell resist and I repeatedly get hit for 1000 dmg by mage's furies and 800 dmg crystal frags... and I bet this is on par with the average snipe hit.

Yet, I don't start a new thread every time I'm killed by them.

Grim13

Nor do I start a thread every time I'm Invasioned and Flame Lashed to death... or Biting Jab perma-cc'd to death...

Come on, people,... man up.

There are some terribly imbalanced aspects to PvP... but Snipe isn't one of them.

Huckdabuck

Armitas wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Germtrocity wrote: »

This is why I lol when people say "nerf block casting and blocking in pvp". Anyone care to guess why everyone is holding down block?

"prepare for a fast paced battle!" Sounds so exciting and yet it isn't.

Only block casting has been around for a lot longer than snipe has been this powerful... so, what was the reason for perma-blocking then?

Block casting has always existed but it's prevalence has not. It's major prevalence became a thing when getting "1" shotted as soon as you unblock became a thing.

It has been prevalent in Cyrodiil since early release.

AriBoh

k2blader wrote: »

kijima wrote: »

So, if it's so OP was doesn't everyone use a bow?

I'm thinking a decent amount of the people who choose not to use a bow do so because they know it's OP and they want more actual challenge/skill/fun.

Thats why you see so few S&B LA DKs.....

shebali

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

shebali wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

My sorc has overcharged spell resist and armor w/500 impen. I also regularly see bow damage of 800- 1500 dmg on death logs in fights yet I don't see anything else hitting that high. 600 max on other hits from skills and other weapons.

That is because everything has been nerfed. I went from opening on a target 1300 on a melee skill to 800. They change everything all the time. I might start messing with people on uppercut. I can open with 2k on that and follow up with another 1200 in less than half a second.

They made the TTK lower on many things minus bow. It is about time they adjust this as well. The pvp section is about fighting, you can't fight when ur dead in a 1.0 second burst.

Burst is the only was to deal with the terrible pvp choices they made with this game. IE block 360 and CC break being too cheap and the low cost of immovable. You can burst heal just as fast as you can burst damage. I never hear people QQ about those 2k heals.

Cody

bah! you all make me sick! hopeless!!!

You're going to let a wee little archer best you so easily??? pathetic! get your sorry butt back in there, and kick that archer's a**!!!!!

/end of trolling

ok, now to have a serious discussion.

If you truly do run full impenetrable, then there is only one way that snipe could have done that much damage to you: He used mark target(either morph) on you, MAYBE ambush if it makes the next attack from ANYONE more powerful against you(he was not the one who used ambush against you, so I have my doubts about it contributing to that 2.5K shot, but it could be possible) combined with sneak attack bonus= f*** ton of damage.

also, if you are wearing most-all light armor, your armor will be low unless you have physical resistance enchants. I wear 7/7 medium armor, no impenetrable, and have NEVER been hit for 2.5K from a snipe. The highest I have been hit for was around 2.1-2.3K, and that was months ago. So I am going to assume its a combination of mark target(if he used it) sneak attack bonus(bonus is not negated by impenetrable I believe) and if you are wearing most-all light armor, making you have a low armor value.

Asgari

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I have 2100 armor and 2000 spell resists. Impenetrable is around 650. Not sure how these huge hits are happening.

I have 2000 spell resist and I repeatedly get hit for 1000 dmg by mage's furies and 800 dmg crystal frags... and I bet this is on par with the average snipe hit.

Yet, I don't start a new thread every time I'm killed by them.

an 800 dmg CF is a crit with a bonus from mages guild most likely. The 1000 dmg from mages fury is perfectly acceptable as its an execute and they hit you within the allotted time for the explosion to occur.

Ifthir_ESO

Columba wrote: »

lol. I rarely die from snipe or focused aim. Block, dodge and get some decent (or any)armor. I only snipe for >1500 against low level players with terrible armor who don't know how to react to being a marked target. I've never hit anyone for that much. sorry don't buy this as anything close to typical.

thats because you are a snipe spamming chimp in a group of 6 every login

AaronMB

Grim13 wrote: »

Nor do I start a thread every time I'm Invasioned and Flame Lashed to death... or Biting Jab perma-cc'd to death...

Come on, people,... man up.

There are some terribly imbalanced aspects to PvP... but Snipe isn't one of them.

Yes.

Grim13

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I have 2100 armor and 2000 spell resists. Impenetrable is around 650. Not sure how these huge hits are happening.

I have 2000 spell resist and I repeatedly get hit for 1000 dmg by mage's furies and 800 dmg crystal frags... and I bet this is on par with the average snipe hit.

Yet, I don't start a new thread every time I'm killed by them.

an 800 dmg CF is a crit with a bonus from mages guild most likely. The 1000 dmg from mages fury is perfectly acceptable as its an execute and they hit you within the allotted time for the explosion to occur.

Sure.

Difference is: it doesn't bother me.

DisgracefulMind

Poxheart wrote: »

Germtrocity wrote: »

So you complain about bow being too strong, hmm?
Bologna, bow is perfectly fine as is, not OP or unbalanced at all! It is exactly where it should be and working as intended!
If this doesn't show how broken bow is then there is no hope.

And here we see the plaintive wailing of a common EP batpulsespammer caught away from his herd.

Please tell me when Germantrocity was last a vampire, I bet you don't know.

Columba

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

lol. I rarely die from snipe or focused aim. Block, dodge and get some decent (or any)armor. I only snipe for >1500 against low level players with terrible armor who don't know how to react to being a marked target. I've never hit anyone for that much. sorry don't buy this as anything close to typical.

thats because you are a snipe spamming chimp in a group of 6 every login

Lol so your group of 24 can't handle a group of 6?

sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO

Germtrocity wrote: »

So you complain about bow being too strong, hmm?
Bologna, bow is perfectly fine as is, not OP or unbalanced at all! It is exactly where it should be and working as intended!
If this doesn't show how broken bow is then there is no hope.





The most frustrating part is that I was hearing the snipes all along but since arrows make hardly any noticeable trace by the person firing them, it is almost impossible to locate exactly where they are coming from at times, especially when you are being max ranged.

And also why is the most powerful weapon in the game also allowed max range and a healing debuff? I know this subject has been visited countless times, but I just had to add this as i find it ridiculous that this happened

And as a side note, I am not a vampire and I am running full impen so all damage was more or less calculated normally.



Why doesn't my crystal frag hit 2.6k damage zeni!? Y u no luv sorc!?


-And to clarify, I really am not even mad at this, it is just quite silly and laughable at this point

Hmm BUT NERF CRUSHING SHOCK BY 10% and buff bow some more. ZoS is dumb

kijima

Heh, just wait till the OP starts playing on 1.6 and meets a Templar with Radiant Destruction.

The QQ'ing will be real.

Xeniph

As long as you are not a Vamp, or a changed WW and aware, you should never die to a single snipe spammer.

most everyone knows on live atm that unless you are a class with a shield, you run as close to 3k hp's a possible, which I am sure you probably do.

Yes that Snipe is rather large, but I wouldn't call it OP, all things being equal. I highly doubt you would have died had you not had 2 other attackers on you.

More than likely you would have gotten up, healing warded (Or similar heal) and proceeded to kick their ass.

Hell, as long as I don't run Vamp and am using my magicka spec, I never die to a single Snipe ganker and that's on my NB.

Germtrocity

kijima wrote: »

Heh, just wait till the OP starts playing on 1.6 and meets a Templar with Radiant Destruction.

The QQ'ing will be real.

Radiant Destruction is easy to counter

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Whats more op in your opinion, A hybrid dps/tank/healer who might not hit for 2500 dmg in one attack, but can do it in a a 3 hit combo whilst healing/shielding itself from a zerg and winning. Or 1 measly sneak attack from a bow user? Yeah bows are op............ We give up everything to hit for shots like that and are basically free kills to anyone that looks in our direction. Give me a break!

kijima

Germtrocity wrote: »

kijima wrote: »

Heh, just wait till the OP starts playing on 1.6 and meets a Templar with Radiant Destruction.

The QQ'ing will be real.

Radiant Destruction is easy to counter

As is Bow to counter.

Did I say there wasn't a counter for Radiant Destruction? I've just re-read what I wrote and I can't see where I said that. Doesn't change the fact is there will be posts about Radiant and how it's OP.

Asgari

kijima wrote: »

Germtrocity wrote: »

kijima wrote: »

Heh, just wait till the OP starts playing on 1.6 and meets a Templar with Radiant Destruction.

The QQ'ing will be real.

Radiant Destruction is easy to counter

As is Bow to counter.

Did I say there wasn't a counter for Radiant Destruction? I've just re-read what I wrote and I can't see where I said that. Doesn't change the fact is there will be posts about Radiant and how it's OP.

Everyone is agreeing it needs a change. Except for a few bad sports who don't want fair fights.

Germtrocity

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

kijima wrote: »

Germtrocity wrote: »

kijima wrote: »

Heh, just wait till the OP starts playing on 1.6 and meets a Templar with Radiant Destruction.

The QQ'ing will be real.

Radiant Destruction is easy to counter

As is Bow to counter.

Did I say there wasn't a counter for Radiant Destruction? I've just re-read what I wrote and I can't see where I said that. Doesn't change the fact is there will be posts about Radiant and how it's OP.

Everyone is agreeing it needs a change. Except for a few bad sports who don't want fair fights.

Couldn't have said it better myself

Dekkameron

I heard that the 2handed skill

shebali wrote: »

I guess people don't read the PTS patch notes or anything. The bow has had the damage lowered by around 20-30% base damage. While melee hits 20-30% harder.

My light attack went from 600-700 crits on live to 400 crits on PTS. ( full 3200 CP)

People will QQ no matter what.

You should be happy people use the bow, because with bow you can roll and see it coming. Sneak attack with melee insta gibs, not much you can do.

It's not that bad, on my testing i'd say it's about only a 10% nerf. Something you can easily overcome by speccing slightly differently.

My DK bow user using molten weapons still easily hits as well

kijima

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Everyone is agreeing it needs a change. Except for a few bad sports who don't want fair fights.

I'm confused, are you talking about Radiant or Snipe?

Germtrocity

kijima wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Everyone is agreeing it needs a change. Except for a few bad sports who don't want fair fights.

I'm confused, are you talking about Radiant or Snipe?

Bow.. Lol :wtf: