And They Say That Bow is Fine as is

Spangla

Hughezy wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

The damage was so high because of the ambush. It gave the sneak attack a 36% extra buff.

I believe that the long range damage buff should be reversed. Surely you get more power from a arrow when the target is closer to you rather then 50m away where the amount of air resistance would slow it down considerably. That would be a great way to combat the powerful nature of snipe.

But the ambush was fro someone else?

Irrelevant

Hektlk

DC Bowploiting as usual.

Valnas

i saw them doing bow pilates by bleakers. no nans

Asgari

kijima wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Everyone is agreeing it needs a change. Except for a few bad sports who don't want fair fights.

I'm confused, are you talking about Radiant or Snipe?

I am referring to both actually. Was probably too vague in my response. I have multiple threads up at once in various sections. Its hard work keeping a high comment : lol ratio.

Its a shame 1.6.2 is so broken. There wont be any real testing going on until 1.6.4 which unfortunately is still some time away. Each time i was in a 1v1 or XvX situation on PTS since 1.6.2 someone comes and 1 shots all of us with silver shards or caltrops since the buff bug transfers to all damaging attacks.

I had it on my Sorc in PvE land and 1 shot a 250k health guard. They actually drop to 0 health but continue fighting and if you fight them for a second or 2 longer they do some pulse attack that 1 shots you at full health and shield dmg while blocking too.

FMonk

Don't worry guys bows are completely balanced.

Asgari

FMonk wrote: »

Don't worry guys bows are completely balanced.

You used mark target says the bowtards who will argue it inflated the dmg you did by 2000 haha

Telel

To truly determine if the weapon is a OP as oh say a block casting DK vampire casting bat swarm every few seconds while taking almost no damage and murdering everything inside of 10 meters one must first apply a few other factors.

1) What other skills can the sniper perform outside of these from stealth shots they use to obtain their quick kills?

E.G: Can they heal themselves, fight in melee, stun crowds of lemmings long enough to unleash a devastating AOE to fell them in second? Or, can they simply fire a few arrows and hope the target is to ignorant to roll dodge, run damage shields, or be in a group where at least one person i running radiant magelight?

2) What is their ability to maintain these punishing hits? Can they only get maybe 1 or 2 shots before their oppurtunity is gone and they must flee or otherwise seek do disengage, or can they consistently output this damage for minutes at a time.

3) How quickly can someone put them down either with counter sniping and or quickly closing in using speed enhancements, invisibility, and gap closers?

Factor those in alongside the high damage shot (not shots), and then compare this to the more commonly encountered vampire dragon knight with sword and shield.

Which of those two builds will be more versatile, survivable, and thus desirable by their faction outside of a niche role that mostly relies on targeting the unaware, and or slow?

FMonk

I don't care what else the build can do, no ability in a PvP game should be able to do that much damage. Ever. I don't care what buffs/debuffs are going on, it just shouldn't be possible.

For the record, I wasn't combat prayered, and didn't use a weapon crit pot on that shot, so it could have been even higher.

Asgari

I'd like to go on record that Ariaja Kishi is in fact op and I know this and admit it. It is far more than what those defending bows can say.

Telel

Telel recognizes everyone's right to their own mind mutterings. However they did have a question at the very end and it was not quite answered.

Columba

L2Dodge and L2 Block

Asgari

Telel wrote: »

Telel recognizes everyone's right to their own mind mutterings. However they did have a question at the very end and it was not quite answered.

In 1.6 the play style and build is ineffective and won't be used. However, bow builds are going to run supreme with 2h as well. With the changes coming in 1.6.3 now the use of LA and shield stacking is utterly useless.

I hope the bow guys understand there needs to be a change or the game will head further down hill.

Telel

This one understands many things need to change, and will of course hope that their favored weapon never becomes as derided as (repeatedly) hurling small flying rodents into their opponent's faces. Possibly while also breathing fire, and making people's noses flatter with a hunk of metal strapped to your arm.

Perichor

99% of people who use bows in pvp are baddies

their KB's on the field make them feel on par with the better players who are actually in the fight not off on the side lines pot shotting whoever they want and calling it skill

lol meanwhile one of those buddies is vampire feeding on you wile the other 9 are just sniping you

LOLOL yea keep on telling yourselves how the rest should play the game when your rotation in pvp consists of

1.....1......1......1......1......1.......1.......1.......1.......1.......1......1......1......1.....1......1......1.....1.......1......1.....1.......1.......1.......1.......1.......1......1.......1......1


ok now we wait...


1....1.......1.......1.....1......1......1......1......1.......1.......1.......1.......1.......1......1......1......1.....1......1......1.....1.......1......1.....1.......1.......1.......1.......1.......1......1.......1......1

damn bow scrubs

Columba

learn to dodge.

thelordoffelines

Perichor wrote: »

99% of people who use bows in pvp are baddies



1.....1......1......1......1......1.......1.......1.......1.......1.......1......1......1......1.....1......1......1.....1.......1......1.....1.......1.......1.......1.......1.......1......1.......1......1


ok now we wait...


1....1.......1.......1.....1......1......1......1......1.......1.......1.......1.......1.......1......1......1......1.....1......1......1.....1.......1......1.....1.......1.......1.......1.......1.......1......1.......1......1

Columba wrote: »

learn to dodge.

Is what perichor described very similar to your rotation?

Columba

lol, No, Marked target, venom, bombard, light attacks, and some other things are mixed in, including volcanic runes. oh and stealth, maneuver and running!

Grim13

Columba wrote: »

lol, No, Marked target, venom, bombard, light attacks, and some other things are mixed in, including volcanic runes. oh and stealth, maneuver and running!

Right. There's a lot more involved in being a stealth ganker than hitting a single key... not that these talon/streak spamming, batswarm dropping, impulse monkeys can see past the end of their own staff.

"Bwahhhhh, bwahhh, my group just finished running over15 people... and I do this over and over, all night with my pure cheese build and my pure cheese tactics...

..but, O M G, one bow ganker killed me because I was careless and so now I'll act like it's the bows that are the problem in pvp!"

lolllllllllllllllllll

Get over yourselves.

Columba

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

lol, No, Marked target, venom, bombard, light attacks, and some other things are mixed in, including volcanic runes. oh and stealth, maneuver and running!

Right. There's a lot more involved in being a stealth ganker than hitting a single key... not that these talon/streak spamming, batswarm dropping, impulse monkeys can see past the end of their own staff.

"Bwahhhhh, bwahhh, my group just finished running over15 people... and I do this over and over, all night with my pure cheese build and my pure cheese tactics...

..but, O M G, one bow ganker killed me because I was careless and so now I'll act like it's the bows that are the problem in pvp!"

lolllllllllllllllllll

Get over yourselves.

God you arouse me! to my ad brethren!

Asgari

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

lol, No, Marked target, venom, bombard, light attacks, and some other things are mixed in, including volcanic runes. oh and stealth, maneuver and running!

Right. There's a lot more involved in being a stealth ganker than hitting a single key... not that these talon/streak spamming, batswarm dropping, impulse monkeys can see past the end of their own staff.

"Bwahhhhh, bwahhh, my group just finished running over15 people... and I do this over and over, all night with my pure cheese build and my pure cheese tactics...

..but, O M G, one bow ganker killed me because I was careless and so now I'll act like it's the bows that are the problem in pvp!"

lolllllllllllllllllll

Get over yourselves.

All im asking for is it to be evened out with other skills and abilities. Especially with changes coming in 1.6.3.

Germtrocity

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

lol, No, Marked target, venom, bombard, light attacks, and some other things are mixed in, including volcanic runes. oh and stealth, maneuver and running!

Right. There's a lot more involved in being a stealth ganker than hitting a single key... not that these talon/streak spamming, batswarm dropping, impulse monkeys can see past the end of their own staff.

"Bwahhhhh, bwahhh, my group just finished running over15 people... and I do this over and over, all night with my pure cheese build and my pure cheese tactics...

..but, O M G, one bow ganker killed me because I was careless and so now I'll act like it's the bows that are the problem in pvp!"

lolllllllllllllllllll

Get over yourselves.

There is more involved in large group warfare, though I generally choose to either run solo, duo, or small group with other close friends.
The difference between the two builds is their effectiveness. You could easily spec out to be a large group player just as you can easily spec into being a one shot build. You can't complain about the flimsiness of your build when singled out because the group play build is equally weak when singled out.

When it comes down to it, both kinds of build are very cheesy, it is just the playstyle that comes with each build.

Columba

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

lol, No, Marked target, venom, bombard, light attacks, and some other things are mixed in, including volcanic runes. oh and stealth, maneuver and running!

Right. There's a lot more involved in being a stealth ganker than hitting a single key... not that these talon/streak spamming, batswarm dropping, impulse monkeys can see past the end of their own staff.

"Bwahhhhh, bwahhh, my group just finished running over15 people... and I do this over and over, all night with my pure cheese build and my pure cheese tactics...

..but, O M G, one bow ganker killed me because I was careless and so now I'll act like it's the bows that are the problem in pvp!"

lolllllllllllllllllll

Get over yourselves.

All im asking for is it to be evened out with other skills and abilities. Especially with changes coming in 1.6.3.

yeah they should add a minimum range and increase the cast time on this thing for pvp. I agree with that.

DisgracefulMind

Columba wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

lol, No, Marked target, venom, bombard, light attacks, and some other things are mixed in, including volcanic runes. oh and stealth, maneuver and running!

Right. There's a lot more involved in being a stealth ganker than hitting a single key... not that these talon/streak spamming, batswarm dropping, impulse monkeys can see past the end of their own staff.

"Bwahhhhh, bwahhh, my group just finished running over15 people... and I do this over and over, all night with my pure cheese build and my pure cheese tactics...

..but, O M G, one bow ganker killed me because I was careless and so now I'll act like it's the bows that are the problem in pvp!"

lolllllllllllllllllll

Get over yourselves.

All im asking for is it to be evened out with other skills and abilities. Especially with changes coming in 1.6.3.

yeah they should add a minimum range and increase the cast time on this thing for pvp. I agree with that.

I think that's really all anyone is asking for.

Columba

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

lol, No, Marked target, venom, bombard, light attacks, and some other things are mixed in, including volcanic runes. oh and stealth, maneuver and running!

Right. There's a lot more involved in being a stealth ganker than hitting a single key... not that these talon/streak spamming, batswarm dropping, impulse monkeys can see past the end of their own staff.

"Bwahhhhh, bwahhh, my group just finished running over15 people... and I do this over and over, all night with my pure cheese build and my pure cheese tactics...

..but, O M G, one bow ganker killed me because I was careless and so now I'll act like it's the bows that are the problem in pvp!"

lolllllllllllllllllll

Get over yourselves.

All im asking for is it to be evened out with other skills and abilities. Especially with changes coming in 1.6.3.

yeah they should add a minimum range and increase the cast time on this thing for pvp. I agree with that.

I think that's really all anyone is asking for.

Based on what I read, many want it gutted.

Holycannoli

Columba wrote: »

Based on what I read, many want it gutted.

Can't have non-dk vamps doing anything can we?

Grim13

Germtrocity wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

lol, No, Marked target, venom, bombard, light attacks, and some other things are mixed in, including volcanic runes. oh and stealth, maneuver and running!

Right. There's a lot more involved in being a stealth ganker than hitting a single key... not that these talon/streak spamming, batswarm dropping, impulse monkeys can see past the end of their own staff.

"Bwahhhhh, bwahhh, my group just finished running over15 people... and I do this over and over, all night with my pure cheese build and my pure cheese tactics...

..but, O M G, one bow ganker killed me because I was careless and so now I'll act like it's the bows that are the problem in pvp!"

lolllllllllllllllllll

Get over yourselves.

There is more involved in large group warfare, though I generally choose to either run solo, duo, or small group with other close friends.
The difference between the two builds is their effectiveness. You could easily spec out to be a large group player just as you can easily spec into being a one shot build. You can't complain about the flimsiness of your build when singled out because the group play build is equally weak when singled out.

When it comes down to it, both kinds of build are very cheesy, it is just the playstyle that comes with each build.

Only, I don't complain about the flimsy-ness of my build, though... It's a trade off I'm willing to make.

..And if you understood just how much thought was required to be a good bow ganker... then you'd realise that it's not even remotely cheesy.

The cheese here is the side dish to your whine.

Asgari

Grim13 wrote: »

Germtrocity wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

lol, No, Marked target, venom, bombard, light attacks, and some other things are mixed in, including volcanic runes. oh and stealth, maneuver and running!

Right. There's a lot more involved in being a stealth ganker than hitting a single key... not that these talon/streak spamming, batswarm dropping, impulse monkeys can see past the end of their own staff.

"Bwahhhhh, bwahhh, my group just finished running over15 people... and I do this over and over, all night with my pure cheese build and my pure cheese tactics...

..but, O M G, one bow ganker killed me because I was careless and so now I'll act like it's the bows that are the problem in pvp!"

lolllllllllllllllllll

Get over yourselves.

There is more involved in large group warfare, though I generally choose to either run solo, duo, or small group with other close friends.
The difference between the two builds is their effectiveness. You could easily spec out to be a large group player just as you can easily spec into being a one shot build. You can't complain about the flimsiness of your build when singled out because the group play build is equally weak when singled out.

When it comes down to it, both kinds of build are very cheesy, it is just the playstyle that comes with each build.

Only, I don't complain about the flimsy-ness of my build, though... It's a trade off I'm willing to make.

..And if you understood just how much thought was required to be a good bow ganker... then you'd realise that it's not even remotely cheesy.

The cheese here is the side dish to your whine.

I built a NB that I only got to v12 with v14 out and I had no issues ganking. EVER. It was so easy I stopped using the character. 9/10 everyone was dead before they hit the ground. Before and after stealth nerf. How ganking takes ZERO skill.

Columba

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Germtrocity wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

lol, No, Marked target, venom, bombard, light attacks, and some other things are mixed in, including volcanic runes. oh and stealth, maneuver and running!

Right. There's a lot more involved in being a stealth ganker than hitting a single key... not that these talon/streak spamming, batswarm dropping, impulse monkeys can see past the end of their own staff.

"Bwahhhhh, bwahhh, my group just finished running over15 people... and I do this over and over, all night with my pure cheese build and my pure cheese tactics...

..but, O M G, one bow ganker killed me because I was careless and so now I'll act like it's the bows that are the problem in pvp!"

lolllllllllllllllllll

Get over yourselves.

There is more involved in large group warfare, though I generally choose to either run solo, duo, or small group with other close friends.
The difference between the two builds is their effectiveness. You could easily spec out to be a large group player just as you can easily spec into being a one shot build. You can't complain about the flimsiness of your build when singled out because the group play build is equally weak when singled out.

When it comes down to it, both kinds of build are very cheesy, it is just the playstyle that comes with each build.

Only, I don't complain about the flimsy-ness of my build, though... It's a trade off I'm willing to make.

..And if you understood just how much thought was required to be a good bow ganker... then you'd realise that it's not even remotely cheesy.

The cheese here is the side dish to your whine.

I built a NB that I only got to v12 with v14 out and I had no issues ganking. EVER. It was so easy I stopped using the character. 9/10 everyone was dead before they hit the ground. Before and after stealth nerf. How ganking takes ZERO skill.

sorry then you probably faced some noobs. I've seen the best NBs struggle vs other decent players.

Grim13

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Germtrocity wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

lol, No, Marked target, venom, bombard, light attacks, and some other things are mixed in, including volcanic runes. oh and stealth, maneuver and running!

Right. There's a lot more involved in being a stealth ganker than hitting a single key... not that these talon/streak spamming, batswarm dropping, impulse monkeys can see past the end of their own staff.

"Bwahhhhh, bwahhh, my group just finished running over15 people... and I do this over and over, all night with my pure cheese build and my pure cheese tactics...

..but, O M G, one bow ganker killed me because I was careless and so now I'll act like it's the bows that are the problem in pvp!"

lolllllllllllllllllll

Get over yourselves.

There is more involved in large group warfare, though I generally choose to either run solo, duo, or small group with other close friends.
The difference between the two builds is their effectiveness. You could easily spec out to be a large group player just as you can easily spec into being a one shot build. You can't complain about the flimsiness of your build when singled out because the group play build is equally weak when singled out.

When it comes down to it, both kinds of build are very cheesy, it is just the playstyle that comes with each build.

Only, I don't complain about the flimsy-ness of my build, though... It's a trade off I'm willing to make.

..And if you understood just how much thought was required to be a good bow ganker... then you'd realise that it's not even remotely cheesy.

The cheese here is the side dish to your whine.

I built a NB that I only got to v12 with v14 out and I had no issues ganking. EVER. It was so easy I stopped using the character. 9/10 everyone was dead before they hit the ground. Before and after stealth nerf. How ganking takes ZERO skill.

Easy mode says what?

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2oAk8ut9EQ

DisgracefulMind

Columba wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

lol, No, Marked target, venom, bombard, light attacks, and some other things are mixed in, including volcanic runes. oh and stealth, maneuver and running!

Right. There's a lot more involved in being a stealth ganker than hitting a single key... not that these talon/streak spamming, batswarm dropping, impulse monkeys can see past the end of their own staff.

"Bwahhhhh, bwahhh, my group just finished running over15 people... and I do this over and over, all night with my pure cheese build and my pure cheese tactics...

..but, O M G, one bow ganker killed me because I was careless and so now I'll act like it's the bows that are the problem in pvp!"

lolllllllllllllllllll

Get over yourselves.

All im asking for is it to be evened out with other skills and abilities. Especially with changes coming in 1.6.3.

yeah they should add a minimum range and increase the cast time on this thing for pvp. I agree with that.

I think that's really all anyone is asking for.

Based on what I read, many want it gutted.

Well, personally, I don't want it "gutted," as you've put it, but I would like it fixed to the minimum range and increased cast time. I think archers are valuable in PvP, and shouldn't be nerfed to ***, but should be put under control a bit. I just want some good balance in PvP.