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Sun shield. BIG FAIL.
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timidobserver wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoralesIeb17_ESO wrote: »Stop to be lammers please. I am templar and I can see how OP is the skill right now against melee players. I don't understand why people like to play in easy mode.
Skill cost to me 224 magicka and I have 91 magicka recovery, It's mean that I can use infinites blazing shield before run out of magicka if I only use this skills against a melee player.
If it's OP try fighting a good player without it, especially a typical DK with an at least decent player behind it. You will never win.
I have tried A LOT, I am in a dueling guild. I know what I am saying. I would be happy to try with someone in game if you don't believe me.
EU Megaserver, Nickname Debon, DC alliance.
PS: I just won very easily to a DK weapon and shield in Bruma. When I killed him, I had 100% health. The DK is called Ragnar Lothbrok (He is VR12). He usually written in the forum, so he can confirm this.
I know how this is going to sound, but...prove it.
I also am in dueling guild.
I am now curious as to your build.
My build to duels and solo questing in cyrodil:
http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mozztv9k8rFTl8b0jf8w2BO8rrYR8bzvj8b0pS8bzpM8rHLg8ffqh8bznQ8frrK8DohZ8N7JLDM6LDm6LDi6LDG6LDT8T7NLRMA8j7xrUM6LUa8n7xLWQ6rWZ8t7MLsgZ8zc7zzgeXm8za7omGF38zf7ozNbo6rNbk8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX
Is pretty unlikely to lose against a dk (or melee enemy) if you use this.
My stats with food:
1900 magicka
1900 stamina
2900 health
Let me see if I got this right. Someone challenged you to beat a decent DK without sun shield. You respond saying you have and then link a build with sun shield in it?
Sorry, I didn't realize he was asking me to beat a DK without sun shield (but I think it's possible). I was saying that Sun Shield is a pretty good skill that allows me destroy DKs without any difficulty.
I can't understand why I have to duel a DK without Sun shield to show if the skill it's OP or not. This don't make any sense.
In any case, if I lose a duel against a DK without sun shield and then if I try again with sun shield I be able to destroy the same DK easily , its only prove the skill is extremely good. Why improve a skill that is already very good instead improve the many useless skills we have?. This results in all Templars will use the same skills = Less diversity.
I'm no asking about nerf Sun Shield, I'm asking about Zenimax don't make the skill even better.
No DKs should not be invincible. A Templar should have some route to potentially beating them. I am fine with Templar being able to balance them out some.
However, a good DK is not destroyed by Sunshield. A noob charge banner talon spammer is going to be in trouble though. See Sypher vs Vencenzo in the legends tourney. Sypher was far from destroyed. In fact, Sypher would have beat him easily if not for Batswarm, which is not a Templar skill.
I don't know these guys and I don't know if "Vencenzo" is a good player. It's a shame that we are on different servers....
Anyway, the duel between 2 guys won't change my mind. Good for you if you want a game where only few skills be useful and all people use the same build.
Oh I am not seeking to change your mind. That obviously is not possible. I am just pointing out misinformation for rational people and any dev that might be following this thread.
I brought up those players because their server rankings and appearance in the finals of a selective dueling event is good enough proof that they are decent players to rational people.
I recommend that rational people pull up the video(
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiAZahhrVbM).They can judge for themselves how skilled the players are and whether a good Templar with Sun Shield "destroys" a good DK or simply has a fighting chance to win after a long drawn out battle.
I don't want to be cocky but..... believe me, I would crush that DK with my build. Vencenzo's build don't take advantage about sun shield strength....... If you find a way to heal yourself while sun shield is UP (can't be a magicka skill), you simply will destroy all you have in melee range. I use "Blood Craze".
Try these:
- Use stamina only to dodge and spam blood craze (it's a very cheap skill).
- Keep blazing shield always UP.
- Keep close your enemy 100% of time.
- Use my build:
http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mozztv9k8rFTl8b0jf8w2BO8rrYR8bzvj8b0pS8bzpM8rHLg8ffqh8bznQ8frrK8DohZ8N7JLDM6LDm6LDi6LDG6LDT8T7NLRMA8j7xrUM6LUa8n7xLWQ6rWZ8t7MLsgZ8zc7zzgeXm8za7omGF38zf7ozNbo6rNbk8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX
Fight some DKs and then come back to forums and tell me again sun shield isn't OP against melee players.
PS: Honor the Dead it's far better for duels but I have breath of life because I am healer.
Edited by arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO on 12 July 2014 10:58Debon Templar VR14 Thorn Blade (EU)
Gaunnes DK VR14 Haderus (EU)1 -
monkeymystic✭✭✭✭✭arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoralesIeb17_ESO wrote: »Stop to be lammers please. I am templar and I can see how OP is the skill right now against melee players. I don't understand why people like to play in easy mode.
Skill cost to me 224 magicka and I have 91 magicka recovery, It's mean that I can use infinites blazing shield before run out of magicka if I only use this skills against a melee player.
If it's OP try fighting a good player without it, especially a typical DK with an at least decent player behind it. You will never win.
I have tried A LOT, I am in a dueling guild. I know what I am saying. I would be happy to try with someone in game if you don't believe me.
EU Megaserver, Nickname Debon, DC alliance.
PS: I just won very easily to a DK weapon and shield in Bruma. When I killed him, I had 100% health. The DK is called Ragnar Lothbrok (He is VR12). He usually written in the forum, so he can confirm this.
I know how this is going to sound, but...prove it.
I also am in dueling guild.
I am now curious as to your build.
My build to duels and solo questing in cyrodil:
http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mozztv9k8rFTl8b0jf8w2BO8rrYR8bzvj8b0pS8bzpM8rHLg8ffqh8bznQ8frrK8DohZ8N7JLDM6LDm6LDi6LDG6LDT8T7NLRMA8j7xrUM6LUa8n7xLWQ6rWZ8t7MLsgZ8zc7zzgeXm8za7omGF38zf7ozNbo6rNbk8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX
Is pretty unlikely to lose against a dk (or melee enemy) if you use this.
My stats with food:
1900 magicka
1900 stamina
2900 health
Let me see if I got this right. Someone challenged you to beat a decent DK without sun shield. You respond saying you have and then link a build with sun shield in it?
Sorry, I didn't realize he was asking me to beat a DK without sun shield (but I think it's possible). I was saying that Sun Shield is a pretty good skill that allows me destroy DKs without any difficulty.
I can't understand why I have to duel a DK without Sun shield to show if the skill it's OP or not. This don't make any sense.
In any case, if I lose a duel against a DK without sun shield and then if I try again with sun shield I be able to destroy the same DK easily , its only prove the skill is extremely good. Why improve a skill that is already very good instead improve the many useless skills we have?. This results in all Templars will use the same skills = Less diversity.
I'm no asking about nerf Sun Shield, I'm asking about Zenimax don't make the skill even better.
No DKs should not be invincible. A Templar should have some route to potentially beating them. I am fine with Templar being able to balance them out some.
However, a good DK is not destroyed by Sunshield. A noob charge banner talon spammer is going to be in trouble though. See Sypher vs Vencenzo in the legends tourney. Sypher was far from destroyed. In fact, Sypher would have beat him easily if not for Batswarm, which is not a Templar skill.
I don't know these guys and I don't know if "Vencenzo" is a good player. It's a shame that we are on different servers....
Anyway, the duel between 2 guys won't change my mind. Good for you if you want a game where only few skills be useful and all people use the same build.
Oh I am not seeking to change your mind. That obviously is not possible. I am just pointing out misinformation for rational people and any dev that might be following this thread.
I brought up those players because their server rankings and appearance in the finals of a selective dueling event is good enough proof that they are decent players to rational people.
I recommend that rational people pull up the video(http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiAZahhrVbM).They can judge for themselves how skilled the players are and whether a good Templar with Sun Shield "destroys" a good DK or simply has a fighting chance to win after a long drawn out battle.
I don't want to be cocky but..... believe me, I would crush that DK with my build. Vencenzo's build don't take advantage about sun shield strength....... If you find a way to heal yourself while sun shield is UP (can't be a magicka skill), you simply will destroy all you have in melee range. I use "Blood Craze".
Pretty much this.
Templars currently has the best survival out of all the classes.
Killing a *good* templar requires a lot of effort and several players at the moment.
Keeping Blazing Shield up + a HoT up will make you a unkillable, stay at full health, and AoE for 500-700 dmg per shield (depending on crits).
A good templar will crush any other class when played smart.
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monkeymystic wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoralesIeb17_ESO wrote: »Stop to be lammers please. I am templar and I can see how OP is the skill right now against melee players. I don't understand why people like to play in easy mode.
Skill cost to me 224 magicka and I have 91 magicka recovery, It's mean that I can use infinites blazing shield before run out of magicka if I only use this skills against a melee player.
If it's OP try fighting a good player without it, especially a typical DK with an at least decent player behind it. You will never win.
I have tried A LOT, I am in a dueling guild. I know what I am saying. I would be happy to try with someone in game if you don't believe me.
EU Megaserver, Nickname Debon, DC alliance.
PS: I just won very easily to a DK weapon and shield in Bruma. When I killed him, I had 100% health. The DK is called Ragnar Lothbrok (He is VR12). He usually written in the forum, so he can confirm this.
I know how this is going to sound, but...prove it.
I also am in dueling guild.
I am now curious as to your build.
My build to duels and solo questing in cyrodil:
http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mozztv9k8rFTl8b0jf8w2BO8rrYR8bzvj8b0pS8bzpM8rHLg8ffqh8bznQ8frrK8DohZ8N7JLDM6LDm6LDi6LDG6LDT8T7NLRMA8j7xrUM6LUa8n7xLWQ6rWZ8t7MLsgZ8zc7zzgeXm8za7omGF38zf7ozNbo6rNbk8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX
Is pretty unlikely to lose against a dk (or melee enemy) if you use this.
My stats with food:
1900 magicka
1900 stamina
2900 health
Let me see if I got this right. Someone challenged you to beat a decent DK without sun shield. You respond saying you have and then link a build with sun shield in it?
Sorry, I didn't realize he was asking me to beat a DK without sun shield (but I think it's possible). I was saying that Sun Shield is a pretty good skill that allows me destroy DKs without any difficulty.
I can't understand why I have to duel a DK without Sun shield to show if the skill it's OP or not. This don't make any sense.
In any case, if I lose a duel against a DK without sun shield and then if I try again with sun shield I be able to destroy the same DK easily , its only prove the skill is extremely good. Why improve a skill that is already very good instead improve the many useless skills we have?. This results in all Templars will use the same skills = Less diversity.
I'm no asking about nerf Sun Shield, I'm asking about Zenimax don't make the skill even better.
No DKs should not be invincible. A Templar should have some route to potentially beating them. I am fine with Templar being able to balance them out some.
However, a good DK is not destroyed by Sunshield. A noob charge banner talon spammer is going to be in trouble though. See Sypher vs Vencenzo in the legends tourney. Sypher was far from destroyed. In fact, Sypher would have beat him easily if not for Batswarm, which is not a Templar skill.
I don't know these guys and I don't know if "Vencenzo" is a good player. It's a shame that we are on different servers....
Anyway, the duel between 2 guys won't change my mind. Good for you if you want a game where only few skills be useful and all people use the same build.
Oh I am not seeking to change your mind. That obviously is not possible. I am just pointing out misinformation for rational people and any dev that might be following this thread.
I brought up those players because their server rankings and appearance in the finals of a selective dueling event is good enough proof that they are decent players to rational people.
I recommend that rational people pull up the video(http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiAZahhrVbM).They can judge for themselves how skilled the players are and whether a good Templar with Sun Shield "destroys" a good DK or simply has a fighting chance to win after a long drawn out battle.
I don't want to be cocky but..... believe me, I would crush that DK with my build. Vencenzo's build don't take advantage about sun shield strength....... If you find a way to heal yourself while sun shield is UP (can't be a magicka skill), you simply will destroy all you have in melee range. I use "Blood Craze".
Pretty much this.
Templars currently has the best survival out of all the classes.
Killing a *good* templar requires a lot of effort and several players at the moment.
Keeping Blazing Shield up + a HoT up will make you a unkillable, stay at full health, and AoE for 500-700 dmg per shield (depending on crits).
A good templar will crush any other class when played smart.
Agreed. Only a pretty good sorcerer can be hard. DKs and NB are vastly deleted.
Debon Templar VR14 Thorn Blade (EU)
Gaunnes DK VR14 Haderus (EU)0 -
Mumyo✭✭✭✭✭oh yeah i just use blazing shield and wait for everyone to feed it and make it explode right into their faces.. even sorcerers will blink right into me before it explodes! The best thing about it is that the enemy lets me fill my magika without striking me at such a moment or ccing me! That'S truly what makes blazing shield the best option in this game! Even dk's wait for me to put my blazing shield on and then he attacks me.
If i read those comments i have to assume that 90% of these players are hardcore noobs and never encountered a good enemy or gank lvl 10 enemys.
Enemys will also not use any survival skills ur fill up their magika!
Wow Blazing shield truly has a magic effect on brains.4 -
oh yeah i just use blazing shield and wait for everyone to feed it and make it explode right into their faces.. even sorcerers will blink right into me before it explodes! The best thing about it is that the enemy lets me fill my magika without striking me at such a moment or ccing me! That'S truly what makes blazing shield the best option in this game! Even dk's wait for me to put my blazing shield on and then he attacks me.
If i read those comments i have to assume that 90% of these players are hardcore noobs and never encountered a good enemy or gank lvl 10 enemys.
Enemys will also not use any survival skills ur fill up their magika!
Wow Blazing shield truly has a magic effect on brains.
You should be the noobiest player I have read.....
First of all I AM TEMPLAR.
I can keep blazing shield ALWAYS up while attack my enemy with stamina skills (Blood crazy). Only sorcerers can be hard for me.
PS: If you are in EU mgaserver meet me.Edited by arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO on 12 July 2014 11:24Debon Templar VR14 Thorn Blade (EU)
Gaunnes DK VR14 Haderus (EU)1 -
Brandoid✭✭✭arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »...keep blazing shield up 100% of the time
That is easier said than done and judging from your build link I have no idea how you do it. Well there is one way you can do it with your skill line up, but you won't be hitting 500-700 like post below. You'll be hitting 250-550.monkeymystic wrote: »Pretty much this.
Templars currently has the best survival out of all the classes.
Killing a *good* templar requires a lot of effort and several players at the moment.
Keeping Blazing Shield up + a HoT up will make you a unkillable, stay at full health, and AoE for 500-700 dmg per shield (depending on crits).
A good templar will crush any other class when played smart.
Sorry but that is still DK. Also, good luck keeping shield and honor the dead up at the same time for more than 30seconds when being attacked by at least a few competent players.
Why don't you all record some gameplay so we can know you're not bsing here. I really don't believe you.
Edited by Brandoid on 12 July 2014 11:42Brandoid - Templar - Ebonheart Pack1 -
Mojomonkeyman✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mojomonkeyman wrote: »So you templars go now from complaining about being too weak to being not as strong/stronger than DKs? You sure are quick to adapt.
Canceling casters out with eclipse no prob, shutting melees down with shield, yay - just make sure to never stop crying for buffs, ha? Even if these buff your already strongest skills...
Hyprocrites.
I take it you've never actually used these skills in cyrodiil. You don't know what you're talking about and it's obvious.
Eclipse is a great skill if you land one in at the perfect time or if you're opponent is only using single target spells, a mistake for anyone, and they have run out of stamina. Eclipse can be broken and you are granted cc immunity afterward during which you cannot be eclipsed again. It is not the cheapest spell either.
Sun Shield is not OP now by any means. Firstly, is stops your magicka regen. This can be mitigated by harness magicka(which will be useless if you're not getting hit by magicka based attacks) and other skills. Secondly, the shield lasts for 6 seconds at max level and will most likely be broken before that in which case you're opponent must be within melee range for it to affect them. This damage is not very high most of the time since the shield doesn't get particularly big and only returns 50% of what was dealt. Of course the shield can crit as well, but even then the damage is nothing to be particularly afraid of.
Now take into consideration the new soft caps. It would be suicidal to stop your magicka regeneration. This is a necessary change. It will be virtually unnoticeable in group fights and in a 1v1 situation that is hard to tell as who knows what other classes and built types will do now.
You going on and explaining how basic skills function doesn`t change a bit that these two skills belong to the strongest skills in the game (taking all classes into account).
You are just a biased pretender, same as all the DKs denying theit class has extraordinary strengths in some areas, or sorcs debating that no nerf to BE was necessary.
Suck it up, buffing sun shield is not the way to go for anyone interested in balanced pvp. Now try and come with your duelling guild yadda yadda, I don`t care. I`m an avid dueler myself, I like your content, that doesn`t mean your opinion can`t be biased or simply wrong.
Edit: Why do you expect to last more than 30 seconds versus "a few competent players"? Entitlement issues?
Why would you request video proof when someone states his experience? Since when is it needed to make records of your play to be a good palyer? God, you youtube kids have serious issues sometimes.
The post you were quoting, Brandoid, reflects exactly what I`m experiencing. I have the luxury of playing with pretty much some of the best players around on EU. Templars just smash face, I support the assessment that atm a good templar will crush any class. Maybe it`s just you lacking behind?
Best regardsEdited by Mojomonkeyman on 12 July 2014 11:57Koma Grey, Chocolate Thunder, Little Mojo, Dagoth Mojo & Mojomancy1 -
arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »...keep blazing shield up 100% of the time
That is easier said than done and judging from your build link I have no idea how you do it. Well there is one way you can do it with your skill line up, but you won't be hitting 500-700 like post below. You'll be hitting 250-550.
My stats:
1900 stamina
1900 magicka
2800 health
I can easily have blazing shield UP a lot of time( Warlock set + potions). The skill only cost 229 magicka for me.
If you hare a good player and keep close you enemy, the duel will last less than 2 minutes, because you can easy interrupt resto staff heavy attack and your enemy can't regean magicka.
The trick is to try to use magicka only to blazing shield.
Debon Templar VR14 Thorn Blade (EU)
Gaunnes DK VR14 Haderus (EU)0 -
Brandoid✭✭✭Mojomonkeyman wrote: »Mojomonkeyman wrote: »So you templars go now from complaining about being too weak to being not as strong/stronger than DKs? You sure are quick to adapt.
Canceling casters out with eclipse no prob, shutting melees down with shield, yay - just make sure to never stop crying for buffs, ha? Even if these buff your already strongest skills...
Hyprocrites.
I take it you've never actually used these skills in cyrodiil. You don't know what you're talking about and it's obvious.
Eclipse is a great skill if you land one in at the perfect time or if you're opponent is only using single target spells, a mistake for anyone, and they have run out of stamina. Eclipse can be broken and you are granted cc immunity afterward during which you cannot be eclipsed again. It is not the cheapest spell either.
Sun Shield is not OP now by any means. Firstly, is stops your magicka regen. This can be mitigated by harness magicka(which will be useless if you're not getting hit by magicka based attacks) and other skills. Secondly, the shield lasts for 6 seconds at max level and will most likely be broken before that in which case you're opponent must be within melee range for it to affect them. This damage is not very high most of the time since the shield doesn't get particularly big and only returns 50% of what was dealt. Of course the shield can crit as well, but even then the damage is nothing to be particularly afraid of.
Now take into consideration the new soft caps. It would be suicidal to stop your magicka regeneration. This is a necessary change. It will be virtually unnoticeable in group fights and in a 1v1 situation that is hard to tell as who knows what other classes and built types will do now.
You going on and explaining how basic skills function doesn`t change a bit that these two skills belong to the strongest skills in the game (taking all classes into account).
You are just a biased pretender, same as all the DKs denying theit class has extraordinary strengths in some areas, or sorcs debating that no nerf to BE was necessary.
Suck it up, buffing sun shield is not the way to go for anyone interested in balanced pvp. Now try and come with your duelling guild yadda yadda, I don`t care. I`m an avid dueler myself, I like your content, that doesn`t mean your opinion can`t be biased or simply wrong.
Best regards
Never said they were not strong skills. I said they are not OP. Taking the the other changes into account taking away the magicka regeneration debuff will not make Sun Shield OP either.
Biased pretender etc.: I don't deny templar strength at all. I do know, however, that a players skill and game knowledge play a very heavy role. Blazing shield is a skill that requires your opponent to 'play into it' for it to be most effective.Brandoid - Templar - Ebonheart Pack1 -
Mumyo✭✭✭✭✭I play on the EU megaserver Bloodthorne. Would love to see ur outstanding performance there or just record yourself beating a GOOD opponent.1
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I play on the EU megaserver Bloodthorne. Would love to see ur outstanding performance there or just record yourself beating a GOOD opponent.
Nickname? I can't find "mumyo" in the game. You can add me.
Nickname: Debon. (@XBusa).
Edited by arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO on 12 July 2014 11:58Debon Templar VR14 Thorn Blade (EU)
Gaunnes DK VR14 Haderus (EU)0 -
Brandoid✭✭✭arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »...keep blazing shield up 100% of the time
That is easier said than done and judging from your build link I have no idea how you do it. Well there is one way you can do it with your skill line up, but you won't be hitting 500-700 like post below. You'll be hitting 250-550.
My stats:
1900 stamina
1900 magicka
2800 health
I can easily have blazing shield UP a lot of time( Warlock set + potions). The skill only cost 229 magicka for me.
If you hare a good player and keep close you enemy, the duel will last less than 2 minutes, because you can easy interrupt resto staff heavy attack and your enemy can't regean magicka.
The trick is to try to use magicka only to blazing shield.
Ah you use potions. It is true that whoever uses potions has an extreme advantage if the enemy is not using them.
My Blazing Shield cost me 191. I do not know how you play and would like to know since judging from attribute stats alone you're very different than myself. I use my stamina for rolling, cc breaking, blocking, and using immovable exclusively. I admit this can be greatly improved on my part.
Also, I'm not sure who you are fighting, but if you can't cc break against a good player you're done so I wonder if it's risky to use your magicka for only Blazing shield [and heals?].Brandoid - Templar - Ebonheart Pack1 -
arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »...keep blazing shield up 100% of the time
That is easier said than done and judging from your build link I have no idea how you do it. Well there is one way you can do it with your skill line up, but you won't be hitting 500-700 like post below. You'll be hitting 250-550.
My stats:
1900 stamina
1900 magicka
2800 health
I can easily have blazing shield UP a lot of time( Warlock set + potions). The skill only cost 229 magicka for me.
If you hare a good player and keep close you enemy, the duel will last less than 2 minutes, because you can easy interrupt resto staff heavy attack and your enemy can't regean magicka.
The trick is to try to use magicka only to blazing shield.
Ah you use potions. It is true that whoever uses potions has an extreme advantage if the enemy is not using them.
My Blazing Shield cost me 191. I do not know how you play and would like to know since judging from attribute stats alone you're very different than myself. I use my stamina for rolling, cc breaking, blocking, and using immovable exclusively. I admit this can be greatly improved on my part.
Also, I'm not sure who you are fighting, but if you can't cc break against a good player you're done so I wonder if it's risky to use your magicka for only Blazing shield [and heals?].
I am one of the founders of EU dueling guild (Cyrodiil Dueling Arena). Potions and ultimate are allowed, so my enemies use potions too.
I have breath of life in my second skill bar, but normally I don't need use it because blazing shield + blood craze HoT is enough against a melee opponent.
PS: Well, I am done with this thread. We have said our opinion and I only hope that Zenimax read it and take the best decision (whatever it will be). Keep the discussion make not sense to me because nobody will change their mind about this.Edited by arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO on 12 July 2014 12:37Debon Templar VR14 Thorn Blade (EU)
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Brandoid✭✭✭To be honest, considering new soft caps for regen, maybe a 50% debuff to magicka regen would be favorable to either completely stopping regen or not at all.Edited by Brandoid on 12 July 2014 13:53Brandoid - Templar - Ebonheart Pack0
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u can, and its not even an exploit needed. I reported it long time ago, but they dont care about. There is also a little chance that they think it is working as intended, cause it's just the weird game mechanic.
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u can, and its not even an exploit needed. I reported it long time ago, but they dont care about. There is also a little chance that they think it is working as intended, cause it's just the weird game mechanic.
Tell everyone how it's done then because I haven't been able to figure it out.Brandoid - Templar - Ebonheart Pack0 -
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You are just going on about how great you are as if that is the point. You and how great you are is irrelevant. The point is that DKs can fight a Templar that uses Sunshield without being "destroyed."arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoralesIeb17_ESO wrote: »Stop to be lammers please. I am templar and I can see how OP is the skill right now against melee players. I don't understand why people like to play in easy mode.
Skill cost to me 224 magicka and I have 91 magicka recovery, It's mean that I can use infinites blazing shield before run out of magicka if I only use this skills against a melee player.
If it's OP try fighting a good player without it, especially a typical DK with an at least decent player behind it. You will never win.
I have tried A LOT, I am in a dueling guild. I know what I am saying. I would be happy to try with someone in game if you don't believe me.
EU Megaserver, Nickname Debon, DC alliance.
PS: I just won very easily to a DK weapon and shield in Bruma. When I killed him, I had 100% health. The DK is called Ragnar Lothbrok (He is VR12). He usually written in the forum, so he can confirm this.
I know how this is going to sound, but...prove it.
I also am in dueling guild.
I am now curious as to your build.
My build to duels and solo questing in cyrodil:
http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mozztv9k8rFTl8b0jf8w2BO8rrYR8bzvj8b0pS8bzpM8rHLg8ffqh8bznQ8frrK8DohZ8N7JLDM6LDm6LDi6LDG6LDT8T7NLRMA8j7xrUM6LUa8n7xLWQ6rWZ8t7MLsgZ8zc7zzgeXm8za7omGF38zf7ozNbo6rNbk8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX
Is pretty unlikely to lose against a dk (or melee enemy) if you use this.
My stats with food:
1900 magicka
1900 stamina
2900 health
Let me see if I got this right. Someone challenged you to beat a decent DK without sun shield. You respond saying you have and then link a build with sun shield in it?
Sorry, I didn't realize he was asking me to beat a DK without sun shield (but I think it's possible). I was saying that Sun Shield is a pretty good skill that allows me destroy DKs without any difficulty.
I can't understand why I have to duel a DK without Sun shield to show if the skill it's OP or not. This don't make any sense.
In any case, if I lose a duel against a DK without sun shield and then if I try again with sun shield I be able to destroy the same DK easily , its only prove the skill is extremely good. Why improve a skill that is already very good instead improve the many useless skills we have?. This results in all Templars will use the same skills = Less diversity.
I'm no asking about nerf Sun Shield, I'm asking about Zenimax don't make the skill even better.
No DKs should not be invincible. A Templar should have some route to potentially beating them. I am fine with Templar being able to balance them out some.
However, a good DK is not destroyed by Sunshield. A noob charge banner talon spammer is going to be in trouble though. See Sypher vs Vencenzo in the legends tourney. Sypher was far from destroyed. In fact, Sypher would have beat him easily if not for Batswarm, which is not a Templar skill.
I don't know these guys and I don't know if "Vencenzo" is a good player. It's a shame that we are on different servers....
Anyway, the duel between 2 guys won't change my mind. Good for you if you want a game where only few skills be useful and all people use the same build.
Oh I am not seeking to change your mind. That obviously is not possible. I am just pointing out misinformation for rational people and any dev that might be following this thread.
I brought up those players because their server rankings and appearance in the finals of a selective dueling event is good enough proof that they are decent players to rational people.
I recommend that rational people pull up the video(http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiAZahhrVbM).They can judge for themselves how skilled the players are and whether a good Templar with Sun Shield "destroys" a good DK or simply has a fighting chance to win after a long drawn out battle.
I don't want to be cocky but..... believe me, I would crush that DK with my build. Vencenzo's build don't take advantage about sun shield strength....... If you find a way to heal yourself while sun shield is UP (can't be a magicka skill), you simply will destroy all you have in melee range. I use "Blood Craze".
Try these:
- Use stamina only to dodge and spam blood craze (it's a very cheap skill).
- Keep blazing shield always UP.
- Keep close your enemy 100% of time.
- Use my build:
http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mozztv9k8rFTl8b0jf8w2BO8rrYR8bzvj8b0pS8bzpM8rHLg8ffqh8bznQ8frrK8DohZ8N7JLDM6LDm6LDi6LDG6LDT8T7NLRMA8j7xrUM6LUa8n7xLWQ6rWZ8t7MLsgZ8zc7zzgeXm8za7omGF38zf7ozNbo6rNbk8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX
Fight some DKs and then come back to forums and tell me again sun shield isn't OP against melee players.
PS: Honor the Dead it's far better for duels but I have breath of life because I am healer.
Two people have linked videos showing you DKs managing to fight a Blazing Shield Templar competitively. The only thing you've done is go on about how great you are. Show me a video of any half decent DK being "destroyed." BTW, half decent means not charge+ banner+ talon spamming himself to death on blazing shield.
Templar dps is extremely lacking. No Templar build, including the one you linked, brings enough burst dps to quickly down a DK that is controlling his burst, applying cc, and trying to stay out of range of the Blazing Shield's aoe.demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »
Its an exploit when people replicate the bug intentionally.
And you know whenever people see that there is a bug with something when its posted somewhere, they jump on the replication train since ZoS doesn't do anything to people who replicate bugs in this game.
That would be true if you could replicate it reliably, which you can't. Shield stacking doesn't make it hit higher than normal.
Edit: Typo.timidobserver wrote: »demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »
Its an exploit when people replicate the bug intentionally.
And you know whenever people see that there is a bug with something when its posted somewhere, they jump on the replication train since ZoS doesn't do anything to people who replicate bugs in this game.
I've never seen or heard of anyone that can replicate it reliably. I am sure that if any Templar was reliably critting people for 3k-5k every blazing shield or every other Blazing Shield, there would be a QQ Youtube video of it somewhere. The only time I get a crit over 2k is when I am surrounded by like 10 people and I manage to get a crit on some lowbie.
is a nice thought, but regarless of the ease of bug replication, there are plenty of people that make every attempt to replicate any bugs that are beneficial to them. Even if theyll only get an extra 150 points of damagw the'll do it. Its also a little more easy to do than you would like to believe. A temp can get some more damage out of it solo with a resto staff and the right skill with the right morph. Some crafted sets can help with it too. Cordinated explouters (yes, they exist) can do it with a certain ultimate morph, a certain undaunted skill, or certain class skills.
U dont have to fill in the blanks. Those who go out of thier ways to exploit bugs know how easy it really is to do this one.
in any case.... probably not a good idea to do this specific chage to sun shield. Its like taking the resource drain out of dragon scales.
This game is filled with bugs that can be replicated and some that can't be replicated. For example, sometimes CC is unbreakable. So, if potential bugs that can be exploited is a good enough reason not to buff Sun Shield, then there should be no buffs at all for anyone ever.
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All because some people got greedy
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »All because some people got greedy
Said a DK.
Exactly, the class that had a bunch of greedy people, and got nerfed multiple times
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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JLB✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »All because some people got greedy
Said a DK.
Exactly, the class that had a bunch of greedy people, and got nerfed multiple times
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✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »All because some people got greedy
Said a DK.
Exactly, the class that had a bunch of greedy people, and got nerfed multiple times
And still the most survival and most dps in the game?
Most Surival is actually Templar Right now
Most DPS, not even close...That's a tie between caster NB and probably Sorcs right now.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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JLB✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Most Surival is actually Templar Right now
And again, said the DK.
Can you elaborate how come Templar is all of a sudden the most survival class right now? I'm curious.
I've yet to see a Templar holding 10+ players hitting him for 20+ seconds without dying. I see this every day in PvP, but is not Templars doing it.
But I guess you already know that, right?
Let me explain you clearly what is changing with Sun Shield, I think you are imagining too many things :
Templar is getting a very specific and small help in their magicka management. That's all.
There's no boost in Shield damage, no boost on Shield amount, no boost on the radius, no boost in magicka besides being back to the normal magicka regeneration, still no actual way to recover extra magicka within the class abilities or passives or anything similar, like the other classes can do.
The penalty of Sun Shield made sense in Beta, when Templars had an amazing magicka management, but it was totally out of place when they nerfed the class' resource management before launch. That is why the change hits the target, and that's why I think it's needed.
Templar still has 0 resource management, while the other 3 classes do. This is a pretty big disadvantage, and penalties like Sun Shield only make that disadvantage bigger. Changes like this are needed.
The funny part is, it's not remotely as strong as some have so much interest in claiming.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPD3VpXWdxM Brandoid - Templar - Ebonheart Pack1 -
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demonlkojipub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Here is a video of a templar beating a DK without Sun Shield.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPD3VpXWdxM
That temp got a little help tho.0