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Sun shield. BIG FAIL.
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arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »Stop to be lammers please. I am templar and I can see how OP is the skill right now against melee players. I don't understand why people like to play in easy mode.
Skill cost to me 224 magicka and I have 91 magicka recovery, It's mean that I can use infinites blazing shield before run out of magicka if I only use this skills against a melee player.
If it's OP try fighting a good player without it, especially a typical DK with an at least decent player behind it. You will never win.
I have tried A LOT, I am in a dueling guild. I know what I am saying. I would be happy to try with someone in game if you don't believe me.
EU Megaserver, Nickname Debon, DC alliance.
PS: I just won very easily to a DK weapon and shield in Bruma. When I killed him, I had 100% health. The DK is called Ragnar Lothbrok (He is VR12). He usually written in the forum, so he can confirm this.Edited by arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO on 11 July 2014 10:22Debon Templar VR14 Thorn Blade (EU)
Gaunnes DK VR14 Haderus (EU)2 -
Double post.Edited by arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO on 11 July 2014 10:21Debon Templar VR14 Thorn Blade (EU)
Gaunnes DK VR14 Haderus (EU)1 -
Brandoid✭✭✭arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »Stop to be lammers please. I am templar and I can see how OP is the skill right now against melee players. I don't understand why people like to play in easy mode.
Skill cost to me 224 magicka and I have 91 magicka recovery, It's mean that I can use infinites blazing shield before run out of magicka if I only use this skills against a melee player.
If it's OP try fighting a good player without it, especially a typical DK with an at least decent player behind it. You will never win.
I have tried A LOT, I am in a dueling guild. I know what I am saying. I would be happy to try with someone in game if you don't believe me.
EU Megaserver, Nickname Debon, DC alliance.
PS: I just won very easily to a DK weapon and shield in Bruma. When I killed him, I had 100% health. The DK is called Ragnar Lothbrok (He is VR12). He usually written in the forum, so he can confirm this.
I know how this is going to sound, but...prove it.
I also am in dueling guild.
I am now curious as to your build.Brandoid - Templar - Ebonheart Pack2 -
arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »Stop to be lammers please. I am templar and I can see how OP is the skill right now against melee players. I don't understand why people like to play in easy mode.
Skill cost to me 224 magicka and I have 91 magicka recovery, It's mean that I can use infinites blazing shield before run out of magicka if I only use this skills against a melee player.
If it's OP try fighting a good player without it, especially a typical DK with an at least decent player behind it. You will never win.
I have tried A LOT, I am in a dueling guild. I know what I am saying. I would be happy to try with someone in game if you don't believe me.
EU Megaserver, Nickname Debon, DC alliance.
PS: I just won very easily to a DK weapon and shield in Bruma. When I killed him, I had 100% health. The DK is called Ragnar Lothbrok (He is VR12). He usually written in the forum, so he can confirm this.
I know how this is going to sound, but...prove it.
I also am in dueling guild.
I am now curious as to your build.
My build to duels and solo questing in cyrodil:
http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mozztv9k8rFTl8b0jf8w2BO8rrYR8bzvj8b0pS8bzpM8rHLg8ffqh8bznQ8frrK8DohZ8N7JLDM6LDm6LDi6LDG6LDT8T7NLRMA8j7xrUM6LUa8n7xLWQ6rWZ8t7MLsgZ8zc7zzgeXm8za7omGF38zf7ozNbo6rNbk8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX
Is pretty unlikely to lose against a dk (or melee enemy) if you use this.
My stats with food:
1900 magicka
1900 stamina
2900 health
Edited by arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO on 11 July 2014 11:07Debon Templar VR14 Thorn Blade (EU)
Gaunnes DK VR14 Haderus (EU)0 -
timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »Stop to be lammers please. I am templar and I can see how OP is the skill right now against melee players. I don't understand why people like to play in easy mode.
Skill cost to me 224 magicka and I have 91 magicka recovery, It's mean that I can use infinites blazing shield before run out of magicka if I only use this skills against a melee player.
If it's OP try fighting a good player without it, especially a typical DK with an at least decent player behind it. You will never win.
I have tried A LOT, I am in a dueling guild. I know what I am saying. I would be happy to try with someone in game if you don't believe me.
EU Megaserver, Nickname Debon, DC alliance.
PS: I just won very easily to a DK weapon and shield in Bruma. When I killed him, I had 100% health. The DK is called Ragnar Lothbrok (He is VR12). He usually written in the forum, so he can confirm this.
I know how this is going to sound, but...prove it.
I also am in dueling guild.
I am now curious as to your build.
My build to duels and solo questing in cyrodil:
http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mozztv9k8rFTl8b0jf8w2BO8rrYR8bzvj8b0pS8bzpM8rHLg8ffqh8bznQ8frrK8DohZ8N7JLDM6LDm6LDi6LDG6LDT8T7NLRMA8j7xrUM6LUa8n7xLWQ6rWZ8t7MLsgZ8zc7zzgeXm8za7omGF38zf7ozNbo6rNbk8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX
Is pretty unlikely to lose against a dk (or melee enemy) if you use this.
My stats with food:
1900 magicka
1900 stamina
2900 health
Let me see if I got this right. Someone challenged you to beat a decent DK without sun shield. You respond saying you have and then link a build with sun shield in it?V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)3 -
timidobserver wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »Stop to be lammers please. I am templar and I can see how OP is the skill right now against melee players. I don't understand why people like to play in easy mode.
Skill cost to me 224 magicka and I have 91 magicka recovery, It's mean that I can use infinites blazing shield before run out of magicka if I only use this skills against a melee player.
If it's OP try fighting a good player without it, especially a typical DK with an at least decent player behind it. You will never win.
I have tried A LOT, I am in a dueling guild. I know what I am saying. I would be happy to try with someone in game if you don't believe me.
EU Megaserver, Nickname Debon, DC alliance.
PS: I just won very easily to a DK weapon and shield in Bruma. When I killed him, I had 100% health. The DK is called Ragnar Lothbrok (He is VR12). He usually written in the forum, so he can confirm this.
I know how this is going to sound, but...prove it.
I also am in dueling guild.
I am now curious as to your build.
My build to duels and solo questing in cyrodil:
http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mozztv9k8rFTl8b0jf8w2BO8rrYR8bzvj8b0pS8bzpM8rHLg8ffqh8bznQ8frrK8DohZ8N7JLDM6LDm6LDi6LDG6LDT8T7NLRMA8j7xrUM6LUa8n7xLWQ6rWZ8t7MLsgZ8zc7zzgeXm8za7omGF38zf7ozNbo6rNbk8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX
Is pretty unlikely to lose against a dk (or melee enemy) if you use this.
My stats with food:
1900 magicka
1900 stamina
2900 health
Let me see if I got this right. Someone challenged you to beat a decent DK without sun shield. You respond saying you have and then link a build with sun shield in it?
Sorry, I didn't realize he was asking me to beat a DK without sun shield (but I think it's possible). I was saying that Sun Shield is a pretty good skill that allows me destroy DKs without any difficulty.
I can't understand why I have to duel a DK without Sun shield to show if the skill it's OP or not. This don't make any sense.
In any case, if I lose a duel against a DK without sun shield and then if I try again with sun shield I be able to destroy the same DK easily , its only prove the skill is extremely good. Why improve a skill that is already very good instead improve the many useless skills we have?. This results in all Templars will use the same skills = Less diversity.
I'm no asking about nerf Sun Shield, I'm asking about Zenimax don't make the skill even better.
Edited by arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO on 11 July 2014 14:20Debon Templar VR14 Thorn Blade (EU)
Gaunnes DK VR14 Haderus (EU)3 -
timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »Stop to be lammers please. I am templar and I can see how OP is the skill right now against melee players. I don't understand why people like to play in easy mode.
Skill cost to me 224 magicka and I have 91 magicka recovery, It's mean that I can use infinites blazing shield before run out of magicka if I only use this skills against a melee player.
If it's OP try fighting a good player without it, especially a typical DK with an at least decent player behind it. You will never win.
I have tried A LOT, I am in a dueling guild. I know what I am saying. I would be happy to try with someone in game if you don't believe me.
EU Megaserver, Nickname Debon, DC alliance.
PS: I just won very easily to a DK weapon and shield in Bruma. When I killed him, I had 100% health. The DK is called Ragnar Lothbrok (He is VR12). He usually written in the forum, so he can confirm this.
I know how this is going to sound, but...prove it.
I also am in dueling guild.
I am now curious as to your build.
My build to duels and solo questing in cyrodil:
http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mozztv9k8rFTl8b0jf8w2BO8rrYR8bzvj8b0pS8bzpM8rHLg8ffqh8bznQ8frrK8DohZ8N7JLDM6LDm6LDi6LDG6LDT8T7NLRMA8j7xrUM6LUa8n7xLWQ6rWZ8t7MLsgZ8zc7zzgeXm8za7omGF38zf7ozNbo6rNbk8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX
Is pretty unlikely to lose against a dk (or melee enemy) if you use this.
My stats with food:
1900 magicka
1900 stamina
2900 health
Let me see if I got this right. Someone challenged you to beat a decent DK without sun shield. You respond saying you have and then link a build with sun shield in it?
Sorry, I didn't realize he was asking me to beat a DK without sun shield (but I think it's possible). I was saying that Sun Shield is a pretty good skill that allows me destroy DKs without any difficulty.
I can't understand why I have to duel a DK without Sun shield to show if the skill it's OP or not. This don't make any sense.
In any case, if I lose a duel against a DK without sun shield and then if I try again with sun shield I be able to destroy the same DK easily , its only prove the skill is extremely good. Why improve a skill that is already very good instead improve the many useless skills we have?. This results in all Templars will use the same skills = Less diversity.
I'm no asking about nerf Sun Shield, I'm asking about Zenimax don't make the skill even better.
No DKs should not be invincible. A Templar should have some route to potentially beating them. I am fine with Templar being able to balance them out some.
However, a good DK is not destroyed by Sunshield. A noob charge banner talon spammer is going to be in trouble though. See Sypher vs Vencenzo in the legends tourney. Sypher was far from destroyed. In fact, Sypher would have beat him easily if not for Batswarm, which is not a Templar skill.
Edited by timidobserver on 11 July 2014 15:35V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)3 -
timidobserver wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »Stop to be lammers please. I am templar and I can see how OP is the skill right now against melee players. I don't understand why people like to play in easy mode.
Skill cost to me 224 magicka and I have 91 magicka recovery, It's mean that I can use infinites blazing shield before run out of magicka if I only use this skills against a melee player.
If it's OP try fighting a good player without it, especially a typical DK with an at least decent player behind it. You will never win.
I have tried A LOT, I am in a dueling guild. I know what I am saying. I would be happy to try with someone in game if you don't believe me.
EU Megaserver, Nickname Debon, DC alliance.
PS: I just won very easily to a DK weapon and shield in Bruma. When I killed him, I had 100% health. The DK is called Ragnar Lothbrok (He is VR12). He usually written in the forum, so he can confirm this.
I know how this is going to sound, but...prove it.
I also am in dueling guild.
I am now curious as to your build.
My build to duels and solo questing in cyrodil:
http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mozztv9k8rFTl8b0jf8w2BO8rrYR8bzvj8b0pS8bzpM8rHLg8ffqh8bznQ8frrK8DohZ8N7JLDM6LDm6LDi6LDG6LDT8T7NLRMA8j7xrUM6LUa8n7xLWQ6rWZ8t7MLsgZ8zc7zzgeXm8za7omGF38zf7ozNbo6rNbk8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX
Is pretty unlikely to lose against a dk (or melee enemy) if you use this.
My stats with food:
1900 magicka
1900 stamina
2900 health
Let me see if I got this right. Someone challenged you to beat a decent DK without sun shield. You respond saying you have and then link a build with sun shield in it?
Sorry, I didn't realize he was asking me to beat a DK without sun shield (but I think it's possible). I was saying that Sun Shield is a pretty good skill that allows me destroy DKs without any difficulty.
I can't understand why I have to duel a DK without Sun shield to show if the skill it's OP or not. This don't make any sense.
In any case, if I lose a duel against a DK without sun shield and then if I try again with sun shield I be able to destroy the same DK easily , its only prove the skill is extremely good. Why improve a skill that is already very good instead improve the many useless skills we have?. This results in all Templars will use the same skills = Less diversity.
I'm no asking about nerf Sun Shield, I'm asking about Zenimax don't make the skill even better.
No DKs should not be invincible. A Templar should have some route to potentially beating them. I am fine with Templar being able to balance them out some.
However, a good DK is not destroyed by Sunshield. A noob charge banner talon spammer is going to be in trouble though. See Sypher vs Vencenzo in the legends tourney. Sypher was far from destroyed. In fact, Sypher would have beat him easily if not for Batswarm, which is not a Templar skill.
I don't know these guys and I don't know if "Vencenzo" is a good player. It's a shame that we are on different servers....
Anyway, the duel between 2 guys won't change my mind. Good for you if you want a game where only few skills be useful and all people use the same build.
Debon Templar VR14 Thorn Blade (EU)
Gaunnes DK VR14 Haderus (EU)0 -
monkeymystic✭✭✭✭✭arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »First of all, I want to clarify I play as templar. If you don't believe me, check this:
EU Megaserver, Templar VR12, Nickname: Debon, Campaign: Auriel bow.
I am very disappointed with sun shield buff: "This ability no longer stops your magicka regeneration", because this will make templar unbeatable against melee players (another ninja nerf to melee stamina builds).
I am aware that Templars need some love, but making better the only OP skill that we have isn't the best way. Zenimax should improve our useless skills, not Sun Shield. This change worries me a lot because shows how incompetent Zenimax is about balancing the game.
Agreed.
Blazing shield is very very powerful as it is.
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Baphomet✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is just the same mass hysteria like when they removed the "no magicka regen" from shadowy disguise. Turned out just fine. The feat itself won't be any more powerful but the change will give templars some better resource management.
Don't panic - the numbers can be adjusted accordingly. The ability cost can simply be increased or the damage return lowered. Getting rid of the no magicka regen is definately the right thing to do - the rest of the values can be adjusted accordinly afterwards.
Currently the feat cost 500-600 magicka to use when you take into account the "lost" magicka from regen. Can't think of any other feat which comes close to having this kind of cost. However, I can think of other feats that crit for 1000 dmg and only cost 240 magicka though, so get over it. On top of that, it is very circumstantial and most players are learning how to dodge-roll when they see the shield starting to pulse.
The change will greatly empower stamina builds using this ability and it will make dark talon spamming DKs think twice - and haven't players been requesting a counter to "talon knights" for a long time? Well, here's a new improved candidate. Suddenly the templars have a purpose, eh... maybe hard to deal with if you're used to eating them for lunch.- The Psijic Order
- TKO
- Dominant Dominion
- The Noore5 -
timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoralesIeb17_ESO wrote: »Stop to be lammers please. I am templar and I can see how OP is the skill right now against melee players. I don't understand why people like to play in easy mode.
Skill cost to me 224 magicka and I have 91 magicka recovery, It's mean that I can use infinites blazing shield before run out of magicka if I only use this skills against a melee player.
If it's OP try fighting a good player without it, especially a typical DK with an at least decent player behind it. You will never win.
I have tried A LOT, I am in a dueling guild. I know what I am saying. I would be happy to try with someone in game if you don't believe me.
EU Megaserver, Nickname Debon, DC alliance.
PS: I just won very easily to a DK weapon and shield in Bruma. When I killed him, I had 100% health. The DK is called Ragnar Lothbrok (He is VR12). He usually written in the forum, so he can confirm this.
I know how this is going to sound, but...prove it.
I also am in dueling guild.
I am now curious as to your build.
My build to duels and solo questing in cyrodil:
http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mozztv9k8rFTl8b0jf8w2BO8rrYR8bzvj8b0pS8bzpM8rHLg8ffqh8bznQ8frrK8DohZ8N7JLDM6LDm6LDi6LDG6LDT8T7NLRMA8j7xrUM6LUa8n7xLWQ6rWZ8t7MLsgZ8zc7zzgeXm8za7omGF38zf7ozNbo6rNbk8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX
Is pretty unlikely to lose against a dk (or melee enemy) if you use this.
My stats with food:
1900 magicka
1900 stamina
2900 health
Let me see if I got this right. Someone challenged you to beat a decent DK without sun shield. You respond saying you have and then link a build with sun shield in it?
Sorry, I didn't realize he was asking me to beat a DK without sun shield (but I think it's possible). I was saying that Sun Shield is a pretty good skill that allows me destroy DKs without any difficulty.
I can't understand why I have to duel a DK without Sun shield to show if the skill it's OP or not. This don't make any sense.
In any case, if I lose a duel against a DK without sun shield and then if I try again with sun shield I be able to destroy the same DK easily , its only prove the skill is extremely good. Why improve a skill that is already very good instead improve the many useless skills we have?. This results in all Templars will use the same skills = Less diversity.
I'm no asking about nerf Sun Shield, I'm asking about Zenimax don't make the skill even better.
No DKs should not be invincible. A Templar should have some route to potentially beating them. I am fine with Templar being able to balance them out some.
However, a good DK is not destroyed by Sunshield. A noob charge banner talon spammer is going to be in trouble though. See Sypher vs Vencenzo in the legends tourney. Sypher was far from destroyed. In fact, Sypher would have beat him easily if not for Batswarm, which is not a Templar skill.
I don't know these guys and I don't know if "Vencenzo" is a good player. It's a shame that we are on different servers....
Anyway, the duel between 2 guys won't change my mind. Good for you if you want a game where only few skills be useful and all people use the same build.
Oh I am not seeking to change your mind. That obviously is not possible. I am just pointing out misinformation for rational people and any dev that might be following this thread.
I brought up those players because their server rankings and appearance in the finals of a selective dueling event is good enough proof that they are decent players to rational people.
I recommend that rational people pull up the video(
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiAZahhrVbM).They can judge for themselves how skilled the players are and whether a good Templar with Sun Shield "destroys" a good DK or simply has a fighting chance to win after a long drawn out battle. V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)2 -
Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »Stop to be lammers please. I am templar and I can see how OP is the skill right now against melee players. I don't understand why people like to play in easy mode.
Skill cost to me 224 magicka and I have 91 magicka recovery, It's mean that I can use infinites blazing shield before run out of magicka if I only use this skills against a melee player.
If it's OP try fighting a good player without it, especially a typical DK with an at least decent player behind it. You will never win.
Just as long as that Dk doesnt use dragonblood....see how that goes?Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
Vr14 Dk bow/2h
Brayan Blackthunder
Goddick
Daggerfall Covenant1 -
booksmcread✭✭✭✭I think this is a good change. Since this is a melee skill, I don't think it will be too overpowered. And as many people have pointed out (with the maths), the shield strength and damage done won't be excessive for PVP. For PVE, this seems like a great change. And depending on how the final version works out and if they continue to improve melee weapon skill lines, this could give Templars a decent melee-dps build for group content. Anything that could help us inch away from sticks and skirts is a positive move.5 -
Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭I was smashing people before with sunshield, but it is useless against range. The most powerful spells and bow attacks are 28-38 meters and you cant close a gap with any charge at that distance because all charges are 22 meters. Most people are just plowing sunshield down now 3-4 times until you can close a gap, then youve only got 2-3 left when you do close the gap.
Besides, a penalty of no magicka regen for spamming an essential survivability shield is silly.Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
Vr14 Dk bow/2h
Brayan Blackthunder
Goddick
Daggerfall Covenant2 -
eliisra✭✭✭✭✭
✭I can see how it would be overtuned when fighting a mele 1v1. Sort of how DK's are OP fighting casters, spamming Reflective Scales and they can't be touched.
But DK's are suppose to be immortals I guess. We cant have that for Templars!
I think the intention with this suggested change was giving Templars a reliable self-shield when tanking and bring more options for builds in PvE. Not being unkillable for mele's 1v1. They could easily remove the magicka penalty for the pure defensive morph of Sun Shield. Than keep some sort of restriction or penalty for Blazing Shield spam.
But to be fair, I dont think classes should be "balanced" based on how well they 1v1 a DK. If that was the case we would have to buff the almighty Sorcerer and that would indeed be insane.0 -
Sasky✭✭✭Thechemicals wrote: »Besides, a penalty of no magicka regen for spamming an essential survivability shield is silly.
Even during all their BE nerfing, I don't think they ever looked at completely halting magicka regen. When you look at the increased regen softcap 100+ magicka regen is going to be common, making the cost in lost regen rather high.1 -
Brandoid✭✭✭Thechemicals wrote: »Besides, a penalty of no magicka regen for spamming an essential survivability shield is silly.
Even during all their BE nerfing, I don't think they ever looked at completely halting magicka regen. When you look at the increased regen softcap 100+ magicka regen is going to be common, making the cost in lost regen rather high.
Great point!Brandoid - Templar - Ebonheart Pack0 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The best part about that video, Is that's a restro light armor using DK, one of the better 1v1 setups in the game, If you're Medium armor or Heavy, you're boned, If you don't run Restro staff, you're esp boned.
Basically you have to match the fact they have unlimited magicka to spam that shield, if you can't.. you have zero way of winning.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Brandoid✭✭✭arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »Stop to be lammers please. I am templar and I can see how OP is the skill right now against melee players. I don't understand why people like to play in easy mode.
Skill cost to me 224 magicka and I have 91 magicka recovery, It's mean that I can use infinites blazing shield before run out of magicka if I only use this skills against a melee player.
If it's OP try fighting a good player without it, especially a typical DK with an at least decent player behind it. You will never win.
I have tried A LOT, I am in a dueling guild. I know what I am saying. I would be happy to try with someone in game if you don't believe me.
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PS: I just won very easily to a DK weapon and shield in Bruma. When I killed him, I had 100% health. The DK is called Ragnar Lothbrok (He is VR12). He usually written in the forum, so he can confirm this.
I know how this is going to sound, but...prove it.
I also am in dueling guild.
I am now curious as to your build.
My build to duels and solo questing in cyrodil:
http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mozztv9k8rFTl8b0jf8w2BO8rrYR8bzvj8b0pS8bzpM8rHLg8ffqh8bznQ8frrK8DohZ8N7JLDM6LDm6LDi6LDG6LDT8T7NLRMA8j7xrUM6LUa8n7xLWQ6rWZ8t7MLsgZ8zc7zzgeXm8za7omGF38zf7ozNbo6rNbk8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX
Is pretty unlikely to lose against a dk (or melee enemy) if you use this.
My stats with food:
1900 magicka
1900 stamina
2900 health
That is an interesting build. You have high stamina which is a definite advantage over what I do. Losing stamina means you lose in duels after all. I am curious to know if you use those panacea's of health, the tri-stat ones since you don't seem to be using many sustain skills.
My Build
My stats with food:
2100-2200 magicka
~1100 stamina
2800-3010 health
As for the rest, another poster has made the point clear already. Thank you timidobserver.
Edit: You should see this as well.Edited by Brandoid on 11 July 2014 20:20Brandoid - Templar - Ebonheart Pack0 -
JLB✭✭✭✭arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »3.600*0.30= 1080*0.54= 583
A skill that give 1080 life and hit for 583 (Plus AoE dmg)? too good to don't equiped, then less variety of bluids.
The shield doesn't give you 1k life... Shields don't have into account mitigations, so it would be 1k life totally naked and unbuffed. The amount of actual "Health" you could translate that 1k shield is much lower.
The shield also doesn't hit for 583 damage... unless enemy is naked. Players usually run with softcapped Spell Resistance which lowers the damage a lot.
Health softcap is increasing for everyone, not only Templars. The argumentation of Templars being able to have a 30% of 3600 Health to hit harder with Sun Shield doesn't make any sense, because the opposite player can aswell choose to softcap his Health up to 3600.
Regarding being able to spam infinitely the ability... oh dear.
every Templar out there that ever used Sun Shield knows that shields in real fights, with high incoming damage, are gone in 2 seconds. Even less. So you basically had 0 magicka regen for 2 seconds before, and now you don't.
Totally OP.
Nothing is going to change much regarding Sun Shield with these changes, except Templars who use it won't have to deal with an even more horrible magicka management.
That is not being OP guys, that is being fixed.7 -
Xexpo✭✭✭✭✭lmao ... the fear of 6 secs of magicka regen is astounding
it's only op if you aren't smart enough to get away from the glowing yellow templar or knock them back
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✭✭✭✭✭lmao ... the fear of 6 secs of magicka regen is astounding
it's only op if you aren't smart enough to get away from the glowing yellow templar or knock them back
Except for that whole part about them hitting ya while you're not allowed to come anywhere near them part.
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✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »
DKs can do the same thing as far as hitting you hard if you get close to them, and they have AOE CC to hold you there.
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✭So you templars go now from complaining about being too weak to being not as strong/stronger than DKs? You sure are quick to adapt.
Canceling casters out with eclipse no prob, shutting melees down with shield, yay - just make sure to never stop crying for buffs, ha? Even if these buff your already strongest skills...
Hypocrites.Edited by Mojomonkeyman on 12 July 2014 06:57Koma Grey, Chocolate Thunder, Little Mojo, Dagoth Mojo & Mojomancy5 -
JLB✭✭✭✭Love it when kids run out of arguments and start insulting.
You are totally missing the point, the buff is not for the Shield, the buff is for magicka management.
Now come on and tell me how good is Templars magicka management. Im all ears.1 -
Mumyo✭✭✭✭✭hah. The immortals are crying because they dont know how to deal with sun shield. Its a fact that OP classes never learned to play suddenly cry when another class gets a small buff so that at least 1 skill is equal to theirs.#
Thats not even the buff templars wish but we will enjoy that little piece of change.5 -
Brandoid✭✭✭Mojomonkeyman wrote: »So you templars go now from complaining about being too weak to being not as strong/stronger than DKs? You sure are quick to adapt.
Canceling casters out with eclipse no prob, shutting melees down with shield, yay - just make sure to never stop crying for buffs, ha? Even if these buff your already strongest skills...
Hyprocrites.
I take it you've never actually used these skills in cyrodiil. You don't know what you're talking about and it's obvious.
Eclipse is a great skill if you land one in at the perfect time or if you're opponent is only using single target spells, a mistake for anyone, and they have run out of stamina. Eclipse can be broken and you are granted cc immunity afterward during which you cannot be eclipsed again. It is not the cheapest spell either.
Sun Shield is not OP now by any means. Firstly, is stops your magicka regen. This can be mitigated by harness magicka(which will be useless if you're not getting hit by magicka based attacks) and other skills. Secondly, the shield lasts for 6 seconds at max level and will most likely be broken before that in which case you're opponent must be within melee range for it to affect them. This damage is not very high most of the time since the shield doesn't get particularly big and only returns 50% of what was dealt. Of course the shield can crit as well, but even then the damage is nothing to be particularly afraid of.
Now take into consideration the new soft caps. It would be suicidal to stop your magicka regeneration. This is a necessary change. It will be virtually unnoticeable in group fights and in a 1v1 situation that is hard to tell as who knows what other classes and built types will do now.Brandoid - Templar - Ebonheart Pack3 -
demonlkojipub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »
Its an exploit when people replicate the bug intentionally.
And you know whenever people see that there is a bug with something when its posted somewhere, they jump on the replication train since ZoS doesn't do anything to people who replicate bugs in this game.
That would be true if you could replicate it reliably, which you can't. Shield stacking doesn't make it hit higher than normal.
Edit: Typo.timidobserver wrote: »demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »
Its an exploit when people replicate the bug intentionally.
And you know whenever people see that there is a bug with something when its posted somewhere, they jump on the replication train since ZoS doesn't do anything to people who replicate bugs in this game.
I've never seen or heard of anyone that can replicate it reliably. I am sure that if any Templar was reliably critting people for 3k-5k every blazing shield or every other Blazing Shield, there would be a QQ Youtube video of it somewhere. The only time I get a crit over 2k is when I am surrounded by like 10 people and I manage to get a crit on some lowbie.
is a nice thought, but regarless of the ease of bug replication, there are plenty of people that make every attempt to replicate any bugs that are beneficial to them. Even if theyll only get an extra 150 points of damagw the'll do it. Its also a little more easy to do than you would like to believe. A temp can get some more damage out of it solo with a resto staff and the right skill with the right morph. Some crafted sets can help with it too. Cordinated explouters (yes, they exist) can do it with a certain ultimate morph, a certain undaunted skill, or certain class skills.
U dont have to fill in the blanks. Those who go out of thier ways to exploit bugs know how easy it really is to do this one.
in any case.... probably not a good idea to do this specific chage to sun shield. Its like taking the resource drain out of dragon scales.Edited by demonlkojipub19_ESO on 12 July 2014 09:230 -
Brandoid✭✭✭demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »
Its an exploit when people replicate the bug intentionally.
And you know whenever people see that there is a bug with something when its posted somewhere, they jump on the replication train since ZoS doesn't do anything to people who replicate bugs in this game.
That would be true if you could replicate it reliably, which you can't. Shield stacking doesn't make it hit higher than normal.
Edit: Typo.timidobserver wrote: »demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »
Its an exploit when people replicate the bug intentionally.
And you know whenever people see that there is a bug with something when its posted somewhere, they jump on the replication train since ZoS doesn't do anything to people who replicate bugs in this game.
I've never seen or heard of anyone that can replicate it reliably. I am sure that if any Templar was reliably critting people for 3k-5k every blazing shield or every other Blazing Shield, there would be a QQ Youtube video of it somewhere. The only time I get a crit over 2k is when I am surrounded by like 10 people and I manage to get a crit on some lowbie.
is a nice thought, but regarless of the ease of bug replication, there are plenty of people that make every attempt to replicate any bugs that are beneficial to them. Even if theyll only get an extra 150 points of damagw the'll do it. Its also a little more easy to do than you would like to believe. A temp can get some more damage out of it solo with a resto staff and the right skill with the right morph. Some crafted sets can help with it too. Cordinated explouters (yes, they exist) can do it with a certain ultimate morph, a certain undaunted skill, or certain class skills.
U dont have to fill in the blanks. Those who go out of thier ways to exploit bugs know how easy it really is to do this one.
in any case.... probably not a good idea to do this specific chage to sun shield. Its like taking the resource drain out of dragon scales.
Why do I think you're full of it? I would love to know how to exploit this one so it can spread and spread until it is widely known so it can get fixed.Brandoid - Templar - Ebonheart Pack0
