Impulse Exploit - Zenimax Read

davidetombab16_ESO

no cooldown?= bad game design, eso is a fail, that s all.

Malmai

This is Not Exploit you can counter that if you know how

Glantris

hate to be nitpicky, but the -10% max health debuff doesn't stack. only the concussions.

Ifthir_ESO

Lowbei wrote: »

daoc cost 2million dollars to make and was a AAA mmo

No, thats not even close to correct, please stop spreading misinfo to bolster your false statements.

Total development costs excluding equipment leases was about $2.5 million.

That was from 1999-2001. That was pre-WoW also which raised the bar and if you think you can make CU with $2.5 million, I have some nice oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you.

Ifthir_ESO

Nijjion wrote: »

Hopefully Mark Jacobs shows you hows it done in CU.

You little fanbois are so cute. CU isn't a game, its an idea right now.

Let me know in 2 years if they even have a working beta.

You DAOC Jacobs nutriders are hilarious, golding memories from almost 15 years ago and thinking this CU pipedream is going to cure cancer.


EDIT: Oh, I see now, you and @Lowbei‌ are both in the same guild of CU fanbois. Makes sense now.

Isaiha

DeLindsay wrote: »

Not an exploit if it's within the scope of it's design, which it is. I'd love to see all the people who complain on MMO forums about PvP to spend a week playing Eve Online doing PvP then come back. They'd be the most chill PvP'ers you've ever seen after that week of really learning how to PvP.

PvP in a nutshell:

1) Vastly superior numbers win (with a large casualty list).
2) Superior Tactics win (when numbers are similar).
3) See above.

I've played EvE online for years in hardcore PvP Pirate and War Corps and believe me when I tell you "numbers" doesn't mean *** in that pvp, nor ESO pvp.

For sure you can defeat an groups of players that are smaller number of you. But those who know how to PvP and work together will win over a bigger group. I lead a group of 20 people against a 60 some person zerg and won just. we didn't all use the "same ability" we were smart and knew when to go full in than we'd back off and than go full in. We'd be picking off small groups of 3-5 people and eventually killed em all with only maybe 3-4 deaths in our raid.

"Superior Tactics win (when numbers are similar)" Sure superior tactics win, however if those tactics involve everyone using all the same AOE ability, that's not necessarily a superior tactic that's just plain ability spam. pretty much no tactics involved in that other than stacking and spamming a button.

galiumb16_ESO

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Nijjion wrote: »

Hopefully Mark Jacobs shows you hows it done in CU.

You little fanbois are so cute. CU isn't a game, its an idea right now.

Let me know in 2 years if they even have a working beta.

You DAOC Jacobs nutriders are hilarious, golding memories from almost 15 years ago and thinking this CU pipedream is going to cure cancer.


EDIT: Oh, I see now, you and @Lowbei‌ are both in the same guild of CU fanbois. Makes sense now.

While I can appreciate the view that CU is being over hyped for how far away it is, but your frothing at the mouth about a game so far away is different in what way?

galiumb16_ESO

After reading this thread I cannot but wonder who I dislike more. The idiots that would willingly reduce their play to such a boring level (reminds me of GW2 stackers) or the idiots who's first response is to run to the forums QQing instead of figuring out how to counter it.

Stop asking for nerfs and play the game.

DeLindsay

Isaiha wrote: »

I've played EvE online for years in hardcore PvP Pirate and War Corps and believe me when I tell you "numbers" doesn't mean *** in that pvp, nor ESO pvp.

For sure you can defeat an groups of players that are smaller number of you. But those who know how to PvP and work together will win over a bigger group. I lead a group of 20 people against a 60 some person zerg and won just. we didn't all use the "same ability" we were smart and knew when to go full in than we'd back off and than go full in. We'd be picking off small groups of 3-5 people and eventually killed em all with only maybe 3-4 deaths in our raid.

"Superior Tactics win (when numbers are similar)" Sure superior tactics win, however if those tactics involve everyone using all the same AOE ability, that's not necessarily a superior tactic that's just plain ability spam. pretty much no tactics involved in that other than stacking and spamming a button.

When I say vastly superior numbers I'm not talking a group of 40 players against 25 players. I'm talking about a group of 90-100 against 15. I don't care if you're the best ~15 PvPers on the entire server if you get jumped by 100 you're going to die 9/10 times. And bullcrap numbers don't matter in Eve, when an Alliance of drops 800+ ships on another Alliance that's lucky to have 150 ships the larger one will almost always come out on top, even if they lose 300 BS/BC's and 50 Supers. I DID say usually at great loss didn't I.

As for tactics, sure spamming 1 AOE while packed tight is a terrible tactic, unless it works. Often times the simplest idea is the most successful.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

galiumb16_ESO wrote: »

After reading this thread I cannot but wonder who I dislike more. The idiots that would willingly reduce their play to such a boring level (reminds me of GW2 stackers) or the idiots who's first response is to run to the forums QQing instead of figuring out how to counter it.

Stop asking for nerfs and play the game.

I agree with that to a degree except that there is no counter. As people (including myself) have pointed out it's not a problem with the skill. It's a numbers imbalance and there is nothing you can do about that on the sort of scale we're seeing.

I'm not sure what, if anything, can be done about that. De/buffing based on population hurts the non-zergers. Being part of DC I'd probably benefit most from such a change but I wouldn't like an unfair advantage. However, AD running around with the Emperor buff, almost permanently now, seems like a good buff to remove if they have twice our pop (means the 1v1s will still be fair even if their zergs are spamming the map).

If I ever find any AD who will fight in groups smaller than 10 I'll let you know how viable such a debuff would be :P

rotiferuk

Isaiha wrote: »

Ebonheart Pact Groups are currently the ones utilizing this exploit in Wabbajack NA server.

The exploit is pretty much self explanatory: raid groups consisting of 20 or more players use Impulse (Destruction Staff Ability) and that's all they use. They spam it while running and can completely wipe a large group of forces in 1.5 - 2 seconds. No joke. They have pretty much utlized this exploit and taken almost every keep/castle/fort and have taken just about every scroll by using impulse. Everyone uses this ability and can wipe raids easily without breaking a sweat. Spam 1 button, win game.

This is a major exploit needing fixed ASAP.

So Impulse can take down a keep wall? I'll have to remember that next time I am short a treb

Laura

just ep does it? AD and DC does this every single night. EVERY NIGHT

How is simply using an AoE ability that is in the game an "exploit"

You could certainly make the argument that is poor design and I may be inclined to agree but an exploit it is not.

OP is silly

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO

I am seriously sick of AOE in general. Add friendly fire and I will be ok with that.

I love Elder Scrolls. I love how it has face to face feeling in combat. There was no stupid AOE spell like those in ESO :-(.

Why did they implemented it is beyoned my understanding. I can accept some, BUT make them channeling spells! So it is used in tactical way, not to jump into group of players and smash one button. I want large battles that actualy takes time and effort of each individual. Current system is one zerg truly rush at the other and AOE spam beggins. Epic....fail truly.

Yes I know I should adapt and learn to play... But hell no! I know how to play and I refuse to play army vs army fight that takes usualy 10 seconds!! Those lucky souls that managed to escape I do not count. It then takes some time to chase and kill the rest. But the main fight took insanly low ammount of time, that it even is not funny...

galiumb16_ESO

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

I agree with that to a degree except that there is no counter. As people (including myself) have pointed out it's not a problem with the skill. It's a numbers imbalance and there is nothing you can do about that on the sort of scale we're seeing.

It is a huge map with defined movement patterns. Use it to your advantage.

The way this game is designed has so much potential. A good leader who can coordinate between the various zergs and small man groups on a campaign could dominate with way less numbers.

This is not a population issue, it is a social/community issue.

Shaggygaming

Zintair wrote: »

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

This thread wins hands down. From 'pvp is unplayble due to Impulse' to someone actually taking the time to drop a definition of 'exploit' in case we were all confused. All topped off by a complaint that people are discouraged because they haven't thought of a counter or can't get organized. My OH my!

This world is so unfair some times.

Just caught that Enchanter reference hahah well played. Or Mid Tank groups pre-LA nerf with Healer stun.

Imagine 1 minute mezzes? Oh the rage.

Yes, once the Middies caught on to AOE Stun + Spirit Master AOE it was totally unfair. No other realm had AOE stun and we didn't even cry this hard.

Shaggygaming

dcincali wrote: »

Zintair wrote: »

How bout them EP tears now AD???

Cry cry cry as we roll over you.

Took you guys long enough.. Glad to see the other EP's jumped ship on their losing camps to join Wabba and try to save face with a 1st place win out of how many campaigns? *claps* And to think AD was trying to be nice to EP and not own the whole map to turn it into another AB. Meh.. Too bad DC had to put their tail between their legs and run off..

Dcincali you have no idea what you're talking about. Vokundein had been on Wabbajack before it was cool. You mad brah? Congrats to all EP who contributed to the only campaign win that means anything. Too bad all of EP had to exploit using AOEs!

Malvren_LG

Isaiha wrote: »

Ebonheart Pact Groups are currently the ones utilizing this exploit in Wabbajack NA server.

The exploit is pretty much self explanatory: raid groups consisting of 20 or more players use Impulse (Destruction Staff Ability) and that's all they use. They spam it while running and can completely wipe a large group of forces in 1.5 - 2 seconds. No joke. They have pretty much utlized this exploit and taken almost every keep/castle/fort and have taken just about every scroll by using impulse. Everyone uses this ability and can wipe raids easily without breaking a sweat. Spam 1 button, win game.

This is a major exploit needing fixed ASAP.

Your salty tears are my fuel. Thank you!

kirnmalidus

Glantris wrote: »

hate to be nitpicky, but the -10% max health debuff doesn't stack. only the concussions.

Well then maybe this is the issue, because I'm pretty sure it was stacking last night. The inset area of my health bar kept getting smaller and smaller until I died.

Combined with the concussion stacking, no there really is no counter for this. You can't use abilities at all or move at all (it's like being lagged out but you can see everything happening), and you can't "heal through it" as others have suggested because even if your healers aren't concussed they can't heal you if your max health is nearing zero…

And yes, I'm sure others from AD have also abused this to their benefit. I am sorry for anyone who has been on the receiving end of this shameful excuse for a "tactic." Please don't lump all of the AD players with the ones who abuse this, and we won't assume you are an exploiter as well just because there is a red icon above your head. Thanks.

quakedawg_ESO

cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »

You don't get it. I would watch 40 people beating on a DK vamp. I don't care if they're standing on his freaking toes. 40 people should be the counter to 1, the range shouldn't even come into the equation. The only reason that the zerg even got to move on was that I finally got my negate magic up again.

Simply amazing. And to start off the reply "You don't get it"

*groan*

Agrippa_Invisus

OP's post smacks of 'I died in PVP so it must be an exploit!'.

bruceb14_ESO5

When we look at our Death Recap are we going to see Impulse, Impulse, Impulse, Impulse, Impulse? I do agree that if an ability is totally unbalanced there should be some sort of nerf, but to classify that as only thing used to win...?

I lost because they are all Vamps. I lost because they are all spamming Impulse. I lost because....

Those generalities may have shreds of truth, but not the whole story and sure annoying to hear.

Lowbei

I DIED IN PVP! SOMETHING MUST BE NERFED!

Agrippa_Invisus

bruceb14_ESO5 wrote: »

When we look at our Death Recap are we going to see Impulse, Impulse, Impulse, Impulse, Impulse? I do agree that if an ability is totally unbalanced there should be some sort of nerf, but to classify that as only thing used to win...?

I lost because they are all Vamps. I lost because they are all spamming Impulse. I lost because....

Those generalities may have shreds of truth, but not the whole story and sure annoying to hear.

I weave in a Dark Talons between every few impulses, I promise.

Mud_Puppy

Isaiha wrote: »

Ebonheart Pact Groups are currently the ones utilizing this exploit in Wabbajack NA server.

The exploit is pretty much self explanatory: raid groups consisting of 20 or more players use Impulse (Destruction Staff Ability) and that's all they use. They spam it while running and can completely wipe a large group of forces in 1.5 - 2 seconds. No joke. They have pretty much utlized this exploit and taken almost every keep/castle/fort and have taken just about every scroll by using impulse. Everyone uses this ability and can wipe raids easily without breaking a sweat. Spam 1 button, win game.

This is a major exploit needing fixed ASAP.

I understand this is the alliance war forum, but can we please stop blaming factions for *** like this. Ive seen everyone do it. Its a design problem not a faction exploit.

Nickers

Lets just turn friendly fire on and all the nonsense stops.. lawl

Armitas

Removed.

(Sorry, I am hesitating to release the counter)

Isaiha

Mud_Puppy wrote: »

Isaiha wrote: »

Ebonheart Pact Groups are currently the ones utilizing this exploit in Wabbajack NA server.

The exploit is pretty much self explanatory: raid groups consisting of 20 or more players use Impulse (Destruction Staff Ability) and that's all they use. They spam it while running and can completely wipe a large group of forces in 1.5 - 2 seconds. No joke. They have pretty much utlized this exploit and taken almost every keep/castle/fort and have taken just about every scroll by using impulse. Everyone uses this ability and can wipe raids easily without breaking a sweat. Spam 1 button, win game.

This is a major exploit needing fixed ASAP.

I understand this is the alliance war forum, but can we please stop blaming factions for *** like this. Ive seen everyone do it. Its a design problem not a faction exploit.

I wasn't blaming anyone at all, I merely indicated EP was the ones utilizing it at the time I had posted this

quakedawg_ESO

To understand there are abilities in the game to just about counter all these whines make the tears taste even better. To Joe Nub who is to lazy to do some research or to short sighted to get past the 'I just can't fit that ability on my pew pew bar', this information is lost. Tip: You probably die more often than not with your pew pew setup. See fly against a window reference.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

galiumb16_ESO wrote: »

After reading this thread I cannot but wonder who I dislike more. The idiots that would willingly reduce their play to such a boring level (reminds me of GW2 stackers) or the idiots who's first response is to run to the forums QQing instead of figuring out how to counter it.

Stop asking for nerfs and play the game.

I have to agree here, we've had alot of useful PvE skills nerfed into non-existence because some PvPer got owned by a player who knows how to use skills, and then they come running here crying about how OP it is.

Bramir

Isaiha wrote: »

so why is every *** player in wabba using impulse than if it was working as intended

I tried out impulse in pvp a month ago and it hits like splashing someone with warm water, with the added fun that you have to get close to use it. Sure if you encounter an organized group who are all using it you will die if they get close enough...but who stands there and lets the zerg run over them and expects to live? If they weren't killing you with impulse it would be something else...and they would do it from range.