Impulse Exploit - Zenimax Read

Isaiha

Ebonheart Pact Groups are currently the ones utilizing this exploit in Wabbajack NA server.

The exploit is pretty much self explanatory: raid groups consisting of 20 or more players use Impulse (Destruction Staff Ability) and that's all they use. They spam it while running and can completely wipe a large group of forces in 1.5 - 2 seconds. No joke. They have pretty much utlized this exploit and taken almost every keep/castle/fort and have taken just about every scroll by using impulse. Everyone uses this ability and can wipe raids easily without breaking a sweat. Spam 1 button, win game.

This is a major exploit needing fixed ASAP.

FENGRUSH

This isnt an exploit, just poor design.

Lowbei

translation : "we were bad and died to aes"

Dudis

Had they not capped AOEs, you'd stand a chance of fighting back.

Sad but true.

quakedawg_ESO

No way this thread can be serious.

Adramelach

Dudis wrote: »

Had they not capped AOEs you'd stand a chance of fighting back.

Sad bat true.

True, interesting. I also don't agree with AoE caps, rendering them in many cases not even capable of performing their designed role...

Tintinabula

fight fire with fire? You have access to 20 ppl..you have access to destro staffs..I would love to watch PvP slip into the absurd.

quakedawg_ESO

Peeps too young to remember Enchanters. *shudder*

NekOnOkO

Nominee for the "Most stupid thread of the week" award. L2 barrier, AOE heal, Nova and Veil of blades if in raid, l2spread if solo. And no, you can't kill anything with half a brain by spamming Impulse only.

Nicsam

Your wrong not just EP using it , we all are using it. And it's part of game play. Not a exploit.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

ESeregon

LOL.... suddenly afew... NOT a whole group... of people use Impulse after seeing many AD and DC spamfest zerg blast them and friends, it is OMFG ZOS...it needs a nerfbat!
Maybe learn to run till they burn their mana out...and kill them. It is not an endless skill to use... it does have limits.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Ok I can't believe you are even trying to call exploit NOW just because you got smashed with it. If you are AD, your own faction has been guilty of it on several occasions. If you are DC, your own faction has been guilty of it on several occasions.

Get in touch with your peeps and ask them where their coordinated impulse/mutagen/etc spam blobs are. You have them.

And as said, not exploit, poor design. Been calling for a real nerf to impulse/destro staff for a long time and they don't want to do it, and this is the result. Run around in a mass light armor/destro staff group and decimate with an unblockable aoe/debuff attack. Sucks don't it. Take it to ZoS but not in the form of 'exploit', because its working as intended.

Isaiha

so why is every *** player in wabba using impulse than if it was working as intended

Limitless

There are many abilities that are able to counter impulse.
Yes, Impulse is still a fantastic move especially when used together in a group but if you had an organized group you guys could throw down some Negate Magic bubbles, keep the heals up, drop an oil pot on the ground, or just impulse back. There are obviously more options than what I just listed but those came to mind the fastest.

kirnmalidus

The way it is being used, stacking concussions to render any opposing raid totally immobile immediately, is an exploit.

If this use of the term exploit confuses you, I refer you to Mirriam Webster's relevant definition:

"to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploit]

Whether it is working as designers intended isn't relevant, it is an exploitable feature in the game's design that makes PvP unplayable for people who aren't abusing it.

Tintinabula

Lord have mercy!! Thank goodness we have YOU to tell us just how many ppl are using destro staffs "who arent supposed to be using them"..Thank you for THAT!

demonlkojipub19_ESO

kirnmalidus wrote: »

The way it is being used, stacking concussions to render any opposing raid totally immobile immediately, is an exploit.

If this use of the term exploit confuses you, I refer you to Mirriam Webster's relevant definition:

"to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploit]

Whether it is working as designers intended isn't relevant, it is an exploitable feature in the game's design that makes PvP unplayable for people who aren't abusing it.

Its not an exploit no matter what definition you google. You can't tell people they can only have 1 or 2 people of their group use impulse. if 400 people come at you and all they do is impulse, the game allows it. Same if 400 people come at you and mages fury or 400 people charge at you then talons or 400 people throw spears of light at you or 400 people sneak attack critical you at the same time (tho 3 simultanious ones would probably be the death of you). the game allows for all of that, because any number of players with access to the skill can use it as they please.

Natjur

If only they changed 'reflect' so it would also reflect AOE....

Tintinabula

sounds to me like the AOE cap has "encouraged team play"! and "Organization"....oooh..the humanity...

Zintair

How bout them EP tears now AD???

Cry cry cry as we roll over you.

BTW any organized group is doing this. And it isn't just Impulse. Least know what your talking about when you make a tear post.

EDIT: BTW I don't think you understand what the word exploit means. I'd seriously delete this as quickly as possible to save face. I am saying this with 100% sincerity otherwise your LOLs are gonna go through the roof and they won't just be from EP players.

Isaiha

What makes pvp really fun for me is going against small or big groups with tons of different skillsets and having a good battle (that isn't necessarily "zergish") but even so It makes PvP really "borish" if your just destroying the competition utterly by everyone using one skill. And yes I understand people can all use the same skills if they want to, but what's the fun in that in all honesty? there is no challenge and people don't want to PvP against you if your just wiping them out in 1 shot....people get discouraged and they leave pvp either because they don't know what to do OR because they can't get organized enough to really organize an effective defense.

THAT is an issue, and if PvP is unplayable, than the game loses customers cause PvP is practically their strongest seller.

kirnmalidus

Where else in the game do percent

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

kirnmalidus wrote: »

The way it is being used, stacking concussions to render any opposing raid totally immobile immediately, is an exploit.

If this use of the term exploit confuses you, I refer you to Mirriam Webster's relevant definition:

"to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploit]

Whether it is working as designers intended isn't relevant, it is an exploitable feature in the game's design that makes PvP unplayable for people who aren't abusing it.

Its not an exploit no matter what definition you google. You can't tell people they can only have 1 or 2 people of their group use impulse. if 400 people come at you and all they do is impulse, the game allows it. Same if 400 people come at you and mages fury or 400 people charge at you then talons or 400 people throw spears of light at you or 400 people sneak attack critical you at the same time (tho 3 simultanious ones would probably be the death of you). the game allows for all of that, because any number of players with access to the skill can use it as they please.

Sure, if by nerf you mean they need to stop it stacking the debuffs (including the max health decrease from the pulsar morph).

The damage it does is fine, it's fair. A raid can heal through it and still have a fight if they are competent.

But stacking down your health to nothing combined with full immobilization is a different story.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Isaiha wrote: »

What makes pvp really fun for me is going against small or big groups with tons of different skillsets and having a good battle (that isn't necessarily "zergish") but even so It makes PvP really "borish" if your just destroying the competition utterly by everyone using one skill. And yes I understand people can all use the same skills if they want to, but what's the fun in that in all honesty? there is no challenge and people don't want to PvP against you if your just wiping them out in 1 shot....people get discouraged and they leave pvp either because they don't know what to do OR because they can't get organized enough to really organize an effective defense.

THAT is an issue, and if PvP is unplayable, than the game loses customers cause PvP is practically their strongest seller.

Not disagreeing that its an issue. Its far too easy to zerg with all the unblockable AOE skills in the game with mutagen and other heals/buff backup and wipe people out. This does include talons too, the stamina killer... Ive gotten crushed by AD impulse zergs, and yea its not fun, especially because Im not a destro staffer and cant impulse back. There are counters sure, but it is still just way too easy.

But it remains a design flaw, not an exploit.

Zintair

Whatever happened to tactics and organization???

demonlkojipub19_ESO

well im pretty sure even without organzation the mighty pugs could also decimate with a impulse zerg. just gotta type out the commands instead of voice it :P

quakedawg_ESO

This thread wins hands down. From 'pvp is unplayble due to Impulse' to someone actually taking the time to drop a definition of 'exploit' in case we were all confused. All topped off by a complaint that people are discouraged because they haven't thought of a counter or can't get organized. My OH my!

This world is so unfair some times.

Zintair

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

This thread wins hands down. From 'pvp is unplayble due to Impulse' to someone actually taking the time to drop a definition of 'exploit' in case we were all confused. All topped off by a complaint that people are discouraged because they haven't thought of a counter or can't get organized. My OH my!

This world is so unfair some times.

Just caught that Enchanter reference hahah well played. Or Mid Tank groups pre-LA nerf with Healer stun.

Imagine 1 minute mezzes? Oh the rage.

quakedawg_ESO

Zintair wrote: »

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

This thread wins hands down. From 'pvp is unplayble due to Impulse' to someone actually taking the time to drop a definition of 'exploit' in case we were all confused. All topped off by a complaint that people are discouraged because they haven't thought of a counter or can't get organized. My OH my!

This world is so unfair some times.

Just caught that Enchanter reference hahah well played. Or Mid Tank groups pre-LA nerf with Healer stun.

Imagine 1 minute mezzes? Oh the rage.

I think you're the only one who got that reference! NOBODY cried about Enchanters blowing up a million people per second in Daoc! It's the World of Warcraft carebear generation these days. Argh!

Yeah those Mid melee train groups were brutal.

Agrippa_Invisus

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

Zintair wrote: »

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

This thread wins hands down. From 'pvp is unplayble due to Impulse' to someone actually taking the time to drop a definition of 'exploit' in case we were all confused. All topped off by a complaint that people are discouraged because they haven't thought of a counter or can't get organized. My OH my!

This world is so unfair some times.

Just caught that Enchanter reference hahah well played. Or Mid Tank groups pre-LA nerf with Healer stun.

Imagine 1 minute mezzes? Oh the rage.

I think you're the only one who got that reference! NOBODY cried about Enchanters blowing up a million people per second in Daoc! It's the World of Warcraft carebear generation these days. Argh!

Yeah those Mid melee train groups were brutal.

Don't forget the Reaver burn melee trains of doom. 2 Reavers, 1 Merc, 1 Paladin, 2 Clerics, Minstrel, Sorc. Ran one of those as the Paladin back in DAoC Percival.

Zintair

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

Zintair wrote: »

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

This thread wins hands down. From 'pvp is unplayble due to Impulse' to someone actually taking the time to drop a definition of 'exploit' in case we were all confused. All topped off by a complaint that people are discouraged because they haven't thought of a counter or can't get organized. My OH my!

This world is so unfair some times.

Just caught that Enchanter reference hahah well played. Or Mid Tank groups pre-LA nerf with Healer stun.

Imagine 1 minute mezzes? Oh the rage.

I think you're the only one who got that reference! NOBODY cried about Enchanters blowing up a million people per second in Daoc! It's the World of Warcraft carebear generation these days. Argh!

Yeah those Mid melee train groups were brutal.

100% correct IMO. Ushering in a world of casual give you everything you want without having to earn or learn from it attitude.

I used to be able to 1 shot Casters stealthed if they were sitting down... AND NEVER come out of stealth. Of course that was a big OP lolol.

But seriously if you think of half the mechanics that were in DAOC 80% of the current "PvPers" would never be able to handle it.

Can't wait for Camelot Unchained. Although I am enjoying this for now through all the issues.

quakedawg_ESO

Yeah I remember archers blowing up casters sitting in the back trying to regen mana. How about dem smite clerics!

Seems soooo many people playing ESO would rather cry for a nerf over actually having to adapt in PvP. I too enjoy ESO for now and hopefully it will feed my PvP itch until CU comes out.

/salute