Impulse Exploit - Zenimax Read

Xsorus

Dudis wrote: »

Had they not capped AOEs, you'd stand a chance of fighting back.

Sad but true.

This is pretty much true

Here is an example of the stupidity of the AOE Cap

You have 6 People fighting a group of 12 people.

the 6 People will always get hit 100% of the time by the 12 people with PBAE
the 12 people basically gain 50% chance to completely not be hit by a PBAE just for being 12 people and standing near one another. The AOE cap rewards larger groups standing ontop of one another, hence why everyone bloody did it in GW2, and why you see people doing it now that an AOE cap has been placed on all abilities.

Its poor design.

cjmarsh725b14_ESO

The point is that right now the ultimate win button is this:

A raid group in ts
"OK guys stack on the crown."
"Stack on me, stack on me."
"Push, push, push!"
"AoE, AoE, AoE!"

"Good wipe."

That's just not a recipe for a fun, long-lasting, pvp game.

Ifthir_ESO

Zintair wrote: »

Whatever happened to tactics and organization???

Were they overwhelmed by bad game balance and horrible player alliance swings?

quakedawg_ESO

cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »

The point is that right now the ultimate win button is this:

A raid group in ts
"OK guys stack on the crown."
"Stack on me, stack on me."
"Push, push, push!"
"AoE, AoE, AoE!"

"Good wipe."

That's just not a recipe for a fun, long-lasting, pvp game.

So who's fault is it that this scenario above works more often than not? The players using it OR the players falling victim? Dev can't play the game for you so we can take them out of this equation.

Ifthir_ESO

Zintair wrote: »

Can't wait for Camelot Unchained.

Most LOL worthy post all day.

The game has raised what, maybe 5 million? You can't even buy your servers and hire people to work there for that much. 5 million $, of which 2$ mil is your own, is not going to produce a AAA MMO.

Keep dreaming, and thanks for the laugh.

Lowbei

Ability users!
/shakes fist

NekOnOkO

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

5 million $, of which 2$ mil is your own, are not going to produce any decent MMO.

Fixed for you .

Bitz_Maidenhell

there nothing wrong with impulse, the REAL issue is the Uber racial passive that comes from the Goblin race.

dcincali

Zintair wrote: »

How bout them EP tears now AD???

Cry cry cry as we roll over you.

Took you guys long enough.. Glad to see the other EP's jumped ship on their losing camps to join Wabba and try to save face with a 1st place win out of how many campaigns? *claps* And to think AD was trying to be nice to EP and not own the whole map to turn it into another AB. Meh.. Too bad DC had to put their tail between their legs and run off..

Zenzu

Finally some organized EP teams hitting Wabbajack is what you are feeling. We be huntin' Wabbas.

cjmarsh725b14_ESO

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »

The point is that right now the ultimate win button is this:

A raid group in ts
"OK guys stack on the crown."
"Stack on me, stack on me."
"Push, push, push!"
"AoE, AoE, AoE!"

"Good wipe."

That's just not a recipe for a fun, long-lasting, pvp game.

So who's fault is it that this scenario above works more often than not? The players using it OR the players falling victim? Dev can't play the game for you so we can take them out of this equation.

I didn't say it was anybody's fault. The devs can't play the game (overtly anyways) but they can certainly change or fix it.

FENGRUSH

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Dudis wrote: »

Had they not capped AOEs, you'd stand a chance of fighting back.

Sad but true.

This is pretty much true

Here is an example of the stupidity of the AOE Cap

You have 6 People fighting a group of 12 people.

the 6 People will always get hit 100% of the time by the 12 people with PBAE
the 12 people basically gain 50% chance to completely not be hit by a PBAE just for being 12 people and standing near one another. The AOE cap rewards larger groups standing ontop of one another, hence why everyone bloody did it in GW2, and why you see people doing it now that an AOE cap has been placed on all abilities.

Its poor design.

This is a large part of why PvP is going down the shitter.

Lowbei

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Zintair wrote: »

Can't wait for Camelot Unchained.

Most LOL worthy post all day.

The game has raised what, maybe 5 million? You can't even buy your servers and hire people to work there for that much. 5 million $, of which 2$ mil is your own, is not going to produce a AAA MMO.

Keep dreaming, and thanks for the laugh.

daoc cost 2million dollars to make and was a AAA mmo

Halrloprillalar

Limitless wrote: »

There are many abilities that are able to counter impulse.
Yes, Impulse is still a fantastic move especially when used together in a group but if you had an organized group you guys could throw down some Negate Magic bubbles, keep the heals up, drop an oil pot on the ground, or just impulse back. There are obviously more options than what I just listed but those came to mind the fastest.

You can't stack as many oil pots as you can zergs inside a keep. We were simply wayyyy outnumbered. I mean like 'why can't I move and slide show... oh' outnumbered. I was dead by the time my weapon swap finally went off.

I have no idea how you guys still knew where you were at any point in time and not lagging the *** out to oblivion yourselves.

Zintair wrote: »

Whatever happened to tactics and organization???

Must be nice to have such numbers at your disposal and working forward camps. Golf clap.

Tintinabula

Met up with casuales group tonight at Farragut..guess what I died from?..and before you say "oil" lulz...5 different fire rings..strange that...seems theres a fad

Rylana

I died, nerf what killed me.

Tintinabula

Yea Ive heard of this new super secret tactic called "ranging them". I haven't gotten the add on to allow me to do that but when I do!!..oh boy!!..cant wait to be able to range them.!!!

TheBull

Pulsar spam is just as game breaking as bats. It just takes 10 people to pull it off.

It needs to be addressed quick. It makes an awesome combat system into something really stupid and boring.

Rylana

Bats were never game breaking.

This is actually a serious statement.

Avidus

Rylana wrote: »

Bats were never game breaking.

This is actually a serious statement.

Its sad but true.
Sad because it got nerfed. (I am not a vamp btw)
and true because it was easy to counter.

cjmarsh725b14_ESO

Avidus wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Bats were never game breaking.

This is actually a serious statement.

Its sad but true.
Sad because it got nerfed. (I am not a vamp btw)
and true because it was easy to counter.

It was not easy to counter. Or there would not have been zergs of 40+ people just pounding their faces on a single DK.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

It's not an exploit. It's just a numbers game. Some skill has to be the best in that situation. You could easily spam.. I don't know.. dw whirlwind I guess. It wouldn't really matter. It just so happens to be impulse because nearly everyone out there is wearing a skirt carrying a stick.

The proper counter to this is to buff the outnumbered (you can't form a counterzerg if you don't have the numbers). Nothing to do with Impulse.

Rylana

cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »

Avidus wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Bats were never game breaking.

This is actually a serious statement.

Its sad but true.
Sad because it got nerfed. (I am not a vamp btw)
and true because it was easy to counter.

It was not easy to counter. Or there would not have been zergs of 40+ people just pounding their faces on a single DK.

It was very easy to counter actually. You mentioned zergs of people, let me guess, they just followed the bulk right into the face of the DK vamp?

Thats exactly why they died, they didnt think about how to get away from it.

its a mistake too many players make in this game, they try to GET RIGHT UP IN EVERYONES FACE. (It leads to the same hysterical lunacy of watching 15 people break off of a mass group to chase ONE guy down, desperate for points much?)

Thats the worst place to be vs a dk, vamp or otherwise.

Bashev

The problem of Impulse and many other AoE abilities is that they are not blockable. If 10 players use impulse in 2 times i 2 seconds and they hit you, you are dead. Currently most of the time I always hold the block (because of the game design) and the funny thing is that I receive more damage from impulse than Sors' crystal shard or any other single target skill. This is totally wrong.

DeLindsay

Not an exploit if it's within the scope of it's design, which it is. I'd love to see all the people who complain on MMO forums about PvP to spend a week playing Eve Online doing PvP then come back. They'd be the most chill PvP'ers you've ever seen after that week of really learning how to PvP.

PvP in a nutshell:

1) Vastly superior numbers win (with a large casualty list).
2) Superior Tactics win (when numbers are similar).
3) See above.

cjmarsh725b14_ESO

Rylana wrote: »

cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »

Avidus wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Bats were never game breaking.

This is actually a serious statement.

Its sad but true.
Sad because it got nerfed. (I am not a vamp btw)
and true because it was easy to counter.

It was not easy to counter. Or there would not have been zergs of 40+ people just pounding their faces on a single DK.

It was very easy to counter actually. You mentioned zergs of people, let me guess, they just followed the bulk right into the face of the DK vamp?

Thats exactly why they died, they didnt think about how to get away from it.

its a mistake too many players make in this game, they try to GET RIGHT UP IN EVERYONES FACE. (It leads to the same hysterical lunacy of watching 15 people break off of a mass group to chase ONE guy down, desperate for points much?)

Thats the worst place to be vs a dk, vamp or otherwise.

You don't get it. I would watch 40 people beating on a DK vamp. I don't care if they're standing on his freaking toes. 40 people should be the counter to 1, the range shouldn't even come into the equation. The only reason that the zerg even got to move on was that I finally got my negate magic up again.

Nijjion

Haha ESO has it easy because of the AoE caps... I played Enchanter/Bainshee in DAoC... now they were deadly without caps. You didn't hear any QQ in that game to the AoEs... obviously there was some with Bainshee but that was because they were doing damage through walls and floors haha.

Gamers are a bunch of noobs these days... too many games getting skill caps lowered so the cry babies stop.

GG Arenanet and Zenimax... you failed and probably killed RvR in MMOs for a lot of people... Hopefully Mark Jacobs shows you hows it done in CU.

Kiwi

if you go in there right now you will see thats exactly what AD is doing to take back all the keeps EP took earlier on today.

pot kettle something something

Infraction

Pretty soon we wont have any ae left because everyone wants it essentially removed.

ESeregon

Infraction wrote: »

Pretty soon we wont have any ae left because everyone wants it essentially removed.

We could always throw rocks till someone either gets hit by two rocks or breaks a nail before nerfbat is summoned.