Impulse Exploit - Zenimax Read

bitaken

bitaken wrote: »

Ran into what appeared to be a guy multi boxing tonight. My health bar was full but my screen went gray and I was dead. I am not sure...but if this is what the OP was talking about - yes this needs a serious review.


INC PBAE BOMB!! - throw caltrops...toss negate and start healing....

screen gray character dead.

The rest of my group was throwing runes and preparing other counter measures.


The death spam was 290 dmg of all three destruction staves. from 3 different characters. I have never seen that type of thing before in this game and if that's where we are going...well...I will go find something else to play.

You ran into a guy who appeared to be multiboxing yet your death recap stated there were at least three guys..not one. So..you were mistaken there? (cause even though someone is multiboxing shouldn't there be two other chars as well?)[/quote]

Isn't that the whole point of multi boxing? Multiple characters all working off the main characters command set?

Tintinabula wrote: »

I provided a possible solution stating that if it were Pulsar being used and the health debuff was indeed stacking then that would account for your health disappearing immediately.

Someone else posted that it was not pulsar but Ring which in fact doesn't even debuff your health but only adds dots.

Then you post 4 separate times about how great you and your team are adding no other real information except that "you're pretty awesome"

my point is if you only saw one guy and there was infact three (or more)..perhaps you're mistaken about what your awesome group was doing as far as healing goes? Perhaps no one was hacking or multiboxing?..perhaps you just got side swiped. It happens.

Well, someone managed to get a SS but i won't post any names here...

CaptainSilverbrow

It's poorly designed, not an exploit; you can't blame players for employing their own tools in whatever capacity is optimal. But who the hell loses keeps to a troupe of suicidal cross-dressers, female PCs notwithstanding? I gotta say, kudos to those guys, they've got kahunas; that's hilarious. I'd've loved to have seen that.

Bloodvax

LOL its not that they are just using impulse. They combine it with Immovable and then they stack barrier ultimates (both morph and un morphed) and stack War horns (both morphs) so that they hit like run away freight trains and are completely resistant to CC. They need to make it where you cant use armor abilities unless you have a 5 piece of the armor set on. Its stupid that a light armor mage can also use immovable while in light armor. That and ulty stacking needs to be addressed

rwood0604_ESO

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Ok I can't believe you are even trying to call exploit NOW just because you got smashed with it. If you are AD, your own faction has been guilty of it on several occasions. If you are DC, your own faction has been guilty of it on several occasions.

Get in touch with your peeps and ask them where their coordinated impulse/mutagen/etc spam blobs are. You have them.

And as said, not exploit, poor design. Been calling for a real nerf to impulse/destro staff for a long time and they don't want to do it, and this is the result. Run around in a mass light armor/destro staff group and decimate with an unblockable aoe/debuff attack. Sucks don't it. Take it to ZoS but not in the form of 'exploit', because its working as intended.

Only the debuff is unblockable, and if no one knows how to counter this than it is just bad critical thinking on their part you have the use of other aoe's and DK talons to lock the mobs in place while people aoe them down as they waste their mana, not to mention you have suppression field that stuns and prevents them from casting instead the bubble on top of you being able to still use yours also there are long range aoe's to be used and volcanic rune to knock them in the air so they cant just keep running in and spamming impulse caltrops also help, so many ways for these people to counter but they stand there and get mowed down and say "what just happened", but just because people gang up and all use the same aoe doesn't really call for a nerf heck they can gang up and all use different aoes and still kill as effectively if sheep just stand their with their mouths open like a turkey when it's raining.

quakedawg_ESO

I'm sure one person in your group can post a screenshot of these Pulsar 'offenders'. Since two different group witnessed the same thing nobody can grab a screenshot (or video)? This is turning into a Bigfoot sighting.

If its simply a coordinated Impulse (non-Pulsar) spam group, they got the best of you so the ball is in your court to learn a counter. What guild is the OP in btw?

heng14rwb17_ESO

So is there any conclusion yet?
Hacking?
Multiboxing?
Exploit?
Or just plain old ownage by a better team?

Agrippa_Invisus

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

So is there any conclusion yet?
Hacking?
Multiboxing?
Exploit?
Or just plain old ownage by a better team?

Good teams can kill you really, really fast.

leewells

Tintinabula wrote: »

fight fire with fire?

Bwhahahaha, it must be Punday.

Aeradon

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

I will also say you guys are a pain in the ass to kill (although I never seen you with a group of less than 20 , so I know that @bitaken‌ isn't simply QQing over skillspam.

I like this.


Just to clarify:
Wykkyd Framework's macro doesn't allow for macro that benefits combat. If the players use any combat macros, it will be from their keyboard and mouse custom settings outside of ESO's API.

Though I'm not sure if any add-on modders have made a personal combat macro that could bypass ESO's tightened API but as far as I know there aren't and shouldn't be possible.

Skylandra

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Where else in the game do percent

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

kirnmalidus wrote: »

The way it is being used, stacking concussions to render any opposing raid totally immobile immediately, is an exploit.

If this use of the term exploit confuses you, I refer you to Mirriam Webster's relevant definition:

"to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploit]

Whether it is working as designers intended isn't relevant, it is an exploitable feature in the game's design that makes PvP unplayable for people who aren't abusing it.

Its not an exploit no matter what definition you google. You can't tell people they can only have 1 or 2 people of their group use impulse. if 400 people come at you and all they do is impulse, the game allows it. Same if 400 people come at you and mages fury or 400 people charge at you then talons or 400 people throw spears of light at you or 400 people sneak attack critical you at the same time (tho 3 simultanious ones would probably be the death of you). the game allows for all of that, because any number of players with access to the skill can use it as they please.

Sure, if by nerf you mean they need to stop it stacking the debuffs (including the max health decrease from the pulsar morph).

The damage it does is fine, it's fair. A raid can heal through it and still have a fight if they are competent.

But stacking down your health to nothing combined with full immobilization is a different story.

This is spot on. The skill is fine, but the debuff stacking needs to be sorted.

SBR_QuorTek

People crying stop crying... if have been in one of those trains with everyone actually being there you know the deal... its a setup of many things... and also it can be countered.

Some fixes might be in need to be made.. eg the one skill with armor being useable with 5 pcs. of that type armor though.

And other stuff... but given good time... stuff will be fixed... maybe they even make full friendly fire an option one day.. one can hope for some hardcore content

Edit:
The Assault Line Running skill gives you the same 'immortality' things and the likes for 20 seconds... so do not blame certain armor skills solely.

bitaken

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

So is there any conclusion yet?
Hacking?
Multiboxing?
Exploit?
Or just plain old ownage by a better team?

Good teams can kill you really, really fast.

In fact so fast that it seems they may be casting way beyond the normal speed possible...almost feels like just because they were there you died.

Halr....if you could check your kill logs the next time this happens to you I am going to suggest in the 1.5 seconds it took you to die someone in this post that is not me or you will have dropped Burning Talons on you...then his team mate gets you with 6 pulsar's in effectively 1.5 seconds. That's according to the SS we have from a team member. 1.5 seconds to die - 6 Pulsar's....yeah...all running in with unstoppable and RM pre loaded...I wonder what it is that allows such casting times?

It appears to me that there is some sort of automated animation canceling. I can't even click a key on my keyboard 6 times in 1.5 seconds....and if people are able to macro in something that causes animation canceling on the PBAE...well you can cast them so fast the enemy get the gray screen of death before they are able to do anything.

That's what it appears to be according to the SS's I have seen thus far anyway.

So it's not multiboxing - its very likely a group that is using an automated animation canceling macro in their spell cast of impulse so that when they cast it they can just hop up and down on the button and it keeps doing damage - the server does not know how to handle it - and your group goes BOOM before you even know what hit you.

Infraction

Used to be the best way to deal with a multi boxer was to take out the toon leading the others. Typically that would leave the others just standing there.

Malmai

This is not Skyrim there is no "god mode" l2p a MP game

Halrloprillalar

bitaken wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

So is there any conclusion yet?
Hacking?
Multiboxing?
Exploit?
Or just plain old ownage by a better team?

Good teams can kill you really, really fast.

In fact so fast that it seems they may be casting way beyond the normal speed possible...almost feels like just because they were there you died.

Halr....if you could check your kill logs the next time this happens to you I am going to suggest in the 1.5 seconds it took you to die someone in this post that is not me or you will have dropped Burning Talons on you...then his team mate gets you with 6 pulsar's in effectively 1.5 seconds. That's according to the SS we have from a team member. 1.5 seconds to die - 6 Pulsar's....yeah...all running in with unstoppable and RM pre loaded...I wonder what it is that allows such casting times?

It appears to me that there is some sort of automated animation canceling. I can't even click a key on my keyboard 6 times in 1.5 seconds....and if people are able to macro in something that causes animation canceling on the PBAE...well you can cast them so fast the enemy get the gray screen of death before they are able to do anything.

That's what it appears to be according to the SS's I have seen thus far anyway.

So it's not multiboxing - its very likely a group that is using an automated animation canceling macro in their spell cast of impulse so that when they cast it they can just hop up and down on the button and it keeps doing damage - the server does not know how to handle it - and your group goes BOOM before you even know what hit you.

I'll look into it, though we haven't had a chance to be able to do anything in wabba since patch...

quakedawg_ESO

It's a group of 8 doing this?

bitaken

I honestly have not gotten a head count due to the nature of the fast death to this group. What I am fairly certain of - is not absolute certainty. However, based on the death SS's I have so far - this is the only explanation I can come up with at this time.

belugian

i hope they ll find a way to deal with that dk/light armor/impulse stuff : it s a real nuisance to good battles and i am starting to see way too many of the players going for it.

hasselhoffman

belugian wrote: »

i hope they ll find a way to deal with that dk/light armor/impulse stuff : it s a real nuisance to good battles and i am starting to see way too many of the players going for it.

That's an extremely hard build to beat in 1v1 even with interrupts.

belugian

if it was only 1 v 1 but it s not jsut that unfortunately i am afraid

Halrloprillalar

hasselhoffman wrote: »

belugian wrote: »

i hope they ll find a way to deal with that dk/light armor/impulse stuff : it s a real nuisance to good battles and i am starting to see way too many of the players going for it.

That's an extremely hard build to beat in 1v1 even with interrupts.

i find impulse dks to be much less of a nuisance 1v1 than SNB DKs.

edit: as to the actual matter at hand, I have not seen it since last week. People still spam impulse to be sure, but the garden variety (that doesn't oneshot you) is always going to have a presence.

Now if they would just fix the FPS and silver shards...

Agrippa_Invisus

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

hasselhoffman wrote: »

belugian wrote: »

i hope they ll find a way to deal with that dk/light armor/impulse stuff : it s a real nuisance to good battles and i am starting to see way too many of the players going for it.

That's an extremely hard build to beat in 1v1 even with interrupts.

i find impulse dks to be much less of a nuisance 1v1 than SNB DKs.

That's why one bar is S/B and the other is Destro staff. Best of both worlds!

bitaken

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

hasselhoffman wrote: »

belugian wrote: »

i hope they ll find a way to deal with that dk/light armor/impulse stuff : it s a real nuisance to good battles and i am starting to see way too many of the players going for it.

That's an extremely hard build to beat in 1v1 even with interrupts.

i find impulse dks to be much less of a nuisance 1v1 than SNB DKs.

That's why one bar is S/B and the other is Destro staff. Best of both worlds!

Something amiss with this guy...

SwampRaider

the only way to counter this is if you have 10 sorcs with negates up.

that..or remove AOE cap

bitaken

SwampRaider wrote: »

the only way to counter this is if you have 10 sorcs with negates up.

that..or remove AOE cap

Sorry, that's not really the best way to counter it.

I have found that - Volcanic rune, Caltrops, and well timed negates are the secret. Spread them out - peel them off - kill their support - CC them - kill them.

Agrippa_Invisus

bitaken wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

hasselhoffman wrote: »

belugian wrote: »

i hope they ll find a way to deal with that dk/light armor/impulse stuff : it s a real nuisance to good battles and i am starting to see way too many of the players going for it.

That's an extremely hard build to beat in 1v1 even with interrupts.

i find impulse dks to be much less of a nuisance 1v1 than SNB DKs.

That's why one bar is S/B and the other is Destro staff. Best of both worlds!

Something amiss with this guy...

Huh?

Halrloprillalar

bitaken wrote: »

SwampRaider wrote: »

the only way to counter this is if you have 10 sorcs with negates up.

that..or remove AOE cap

Sorry, that's not really the best way to counter it.

I have found that - Volcanic rune, Caltrops, and well timed negates are the secret. Spread them out - peel them off - kill their support - CC them - kill them.

the thing is most groups like this have a few purge healbots running, so your best bet is to smash into them by surprise with bats/banners/barrier and your own impulse/purge/maneuvers.

Halrloprillalar

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

hasselhoffman wrote: »

belugian wrote: »

i hope they ll find a way to deal with that dk/light armor/impulse stuff : it s a real nuisance to good battles and i am starting to see way too many of the players going for it.

That's an extremely hard build to beat in 1v1 even with interrupts.

i find impulse dks to be much less of a nuisance 1v1 than SNB DKs.

That's why one bar is S/B and the other is Destro staff. Best of both worlds!

I just don't see the destro staff as a problem in 1v1.

hasselhoffman

Bloodvax wrote: »

LOL its not that they are just using impulse. They combine it with Immovable and then they stack barrier ultimates (both morph and un morphed) and stack War horns (both morphs) so that they hit like run away freight trains and are completely resistant to CC. They need to make it where you cant use armor abilities unless you have a 5 piece of the armor set on. Its stupid that a light armor mage can also use immovable while in light armor. That and ulty stacking needs to be addressed

I disagree with your opinion on the armor abilities. I put my time into unlocking the abilities I should be able to use them. I'm not an impulse spammer, but I use immovable to counter what exactly you mentioned and to survive. I don't feel as though I should be short handed to all CC, because I'm not wearing a 5 piece set of heavy armor. Additionally the cost for using immovable is pretty damn expensive. Evasion sucks and annulment is meh. I agree with you on the ult stacking though.

DovahkiinKreiger313

That sounds fun honestly lol. Better step up your game! Lol