Impulse Exploit - Zenimax Read

quakedawg_ESO

Which guild on which server in EP is using it? If its the guild I think you're talking about you are wrong. Don't confuse facts with opinions.

Bitz_Maidenhell

Kevinmon wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey there everyone, thanks for the reports on this. We're going to test this ability internally to make sure everything is working the way it should be, and will let you know what the outcome is.

This is a HUGE EXPLOIT that NEEDS to be FIXED IMMEDIATELY. Ebonheart Campaign have been using it for the past 2 weeks and everyone calls them the "*** Train" because they use it 24/7 without EVER being KILLED.

There is no exploit with impluse, there are plenty of counters, but a lot of people haven't seemed to figure them out.....

p.s. we prefer the them "Pain Train"

Tintinabula

Personally. I think it's ridiculous looking. I also am of the opinion that it takes absolutely NO skill. They have found a FOTM rotation and are using it to roll people.

They've done nothing except shine a light on the fact that the skill will be "looked at"..like BE was "looked at" like AOEs were "looked at" like batswarm and talons were "looked at".

For what?..sh***s and giggles?...free ap?..to make fun of a poorly designed skill?..who knows but I'm not a fan.( and I'm EP)

quakedawg_ESO

If Pulsar does stack it should be looked at. That seems cut and dried. If players are crying because they got waxed by non-morphed Impulse or Elemental Ring, then they might need to re-think what they can do to prevent. Plenty of options.

I'm not convinced Pulsar does stack but I'll leave that up to the fully capable dev team.

quakedawg_ESO

Bitz_Maidenhell wrote: »

Kevinmon wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey there everyone, thanks for the reports on this. We're going to test this ability internally to make sure everything is working the way it should be, and will let you know what the outcome is.

This is a HUGE EXPLOIT that NEEDS to be FIXED IMMEDIATELY. Ebonheart Campaign have been using it for the past 2 weeks and everyone calls them the "*** Train" because they use it 24/7 without EVER being KILLED.

There is no exploit with impluse, there are plenty of counters, but a lot of people haven't seemed to figure them out.....

p.s. we prefer the them "Pain Train"

This appears to be true. Impulse is fine but it appears people are complaining about one of the morphs (Pulsar). I personally don't even know of anyone who uses Pulsar. Which nearly triples the humor of the complaints.

Tintinabula

I used to use pulsar months ago. I liked the fact that it decreased a persons health pool for 30 secs(something that can be purged i believe)

However I went with elemental ring later on because frankly I count on my opponent to be a little smarter than a rock and just sit in the pulsar while I spam it.

While pulsar lessens health for 30 secs Ring adds a small DOT.(which i might add has killed many a sorc in mid air as they "escaped") So..Im a fan of DOTs

Dositheus

I want moar dots.

Tintinabula wrote: »

I used to use pulsar months ago. I liked the fact that it decreased a persons health pool for 30 secs(something that can be purged i believe)

However I went with elemental ring later on because frankly I count on my opponent to be a little smarter than a rock and just sit in the pulsar while I spam it.

While pulsar lessens health for 30 secs Ring adds a small DOT.(which i might add has killed many a sorc in mid air as they "escaped") So..Im a fan of DOTs

quakedawg_ESO

Agree on the DOTS.

Halrloprillalar

Tintinabula wrote: »

Personally. I think it's ridiculous looking. I also am of the opinion that it takes absolutely NO skill. They have found a FOTM rotation and are using it to roll people.

They've done nothing except shine a light on the fact that the skill will be "looked at"..like BE was "looked at" like AOEs were "looked at" like batswarm and talons were "looked at".

For what?..sh***s and giggles?...free ap?..to make fun of a poorly designed skill?..who knows but I'm not a fan.( and I'm EP)

thank you

I hate mindless zerg farms with a passion (coming from GW2 and Rift) however the fact that the debuffs all stack with each other is a whole another layer of absurd.

Kypho

sadly impulse spam is legit. poor design, but not exploit. problem is that they form a big ball, and spamming it, moving forward, you cant do anything, because mostly screen stopping for 2-3 sec after every 1 sec lol cyrolag. AoE is zerg pvp. If you dont like AoE you need to do small encounters i think.

Rylana

Grim13 wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Really no reason to be investigating, Gina. The skill works fine, the OP is crying that multiple people are using it to mass spam it all over the place.

Perfectly valid tactic.

The health debuffs stacking is not the skill "working fine" and this is not what the devs intended, as Gina's later post made clear.

So please go home if you don't want to participate in the rational discourse (to borrow another's term) we are trying to have about what is clearly an exploitable bug. The only reason you would be defending it (especially after Zenimax has acknowledged it is an issue they are looking into) is if you were using yourself.

I see from your comment history you also defended the DK Vamp Bat Swarm nonsense. Shocking. I guess after they fix this exploit all I'll need to spot the next one is keep tabs on your forum posts.

1. My DK is not a vampire, care for a screenshot?
2. My Sorc doesnt even HAVE pulsar yet, its level 32!
3. lolwut?
4. The amount of QQ in this thread and on the rest of the forum regarding "Impulse trains" is the catalyst for my commentary
5. Conjecture never ends well, please leave your speculation as to my motives at the door
6. I am against all class nerfs of any kind, and favor the buff approach. Perhaps you need to read my history a wee bit better where I go into great detail on how to make something work and ridicule the sheeple that listen to the youtube warriors that seem to dictate policy on how people should build their characters.
7. Bosmer Vampire NB DW/Bow 1200+ DPS Master Class reporting in.

Now get out.

no offense, but none of that has anything to do with the issue of rainbow stacking we are discussing

Lol sorry, I get the feeling he/she is too busy fapping over themselves to care...

Ive noticed you seem to follow an awful lot of my posts around the forum. Fan?

Cause to be completely blunt, any "ego" presented is just me telling it like it is, sorry if it doesnt match some preconceived notion or programming you inherited from someone else.

As stated before, I do not support nerfs to achieve balance.

Custos91

Sunrock wrote: »

Custos91 wrote: »

That is more or less the reason why I don't do pvp anymore, our pvp guilds at AD bloodthorn EU are more or less saying:
DPS or Healer?
Healer: Use these abbilitys, and make sure you got rapid regen/mutagen, Barrier and Immoveable, also we want to have the following buffs from you...
Dps:
Get a destro staff, run with us, spam impulse, get immoveable

I can't test my builds anymore, because they have to work with one of these to things, I got thrown out of a guild because I said I was healing, no point in sieging a open gate to farm points, randoms need healing.
As I said, was thrown out of the guild, can't get a decent pvp grp there now because they are forming a union.
Hope this gets fixed, pls, I don't want to see these spammzergs anymore, I had the chance of grinding with this, I didn't even manage to stay awake for one day, not in the whole month they are doing this now.

That is wearied... 2-3 good templar healers can easily outheal 5000 DPS on a 24 man group and that should counter any full group spaming Impulz. You probably just run into some idiot guild leader that have no clue about healing.

PS: V12 Templars with really good gear.

@Sunrock‌
Well, he was argumenting he knows more about healing in pvp, because he is playing more, he never used his resto staff and he is a sorc dps player...
He doesn't even know more then 5 templar abbilitys I guess^^
Take a guess^^
Sadly he is rank 3 for AD and our current emp is more or less leading most of the other grps, they all don't bother with heal, if I try to mention something in zone chat, they just plain say I am talking *** more or less^^
And TS isn't very usefull either, because they got priority speaker and as soon as they don't like where your talk is going, they just have to speak and nobody can hear you^^

Limitless

To be honest, Impulse does need a little nerf.
The cost and crit is amazingly in the user's favor, if you have 5 people running it in your group, with heals up you're basically guaranteed victory against a small zerg.
I have spells that cost more resources that give a worse result.
It's basically become a zergball of impulse.
If you see a coordinated group spamming impulse, you best run away.

dsalter

The issue is Light Armor passives not the staffs or impulse.

Jagath

I don't see how this is an exploit. If 20 people spam any aoe ability do you really think you should survive? I would suggest using the keyboard to move around and not stand in clumps.

lao

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

Peeps too young to remember Enchanters. *shudder*

XD

enchanters have 6 buttons tho!

Tobiz

NekOnOkO wrote: »

l2spread if solo

Tip of the day.
Is that what happens after you get subjected to the impulse spam?

Back on topic:
Make all aoe that is originating from caster a 1 sec channeled with animation lock.
edit: 50% damage instant, 50% on complete.

lao

Zintair wrote: »

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

Zintair wrote: »

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

This thread wins hands down. From 'pvp is unplayble due to Impulse' to someone actually taking the time to drop a definition of 'exploit' in case we were all confused. All topped off by a complaint that people are discouraged because they haven't thought of a counter or can't get organized. My OH my!

This world is so unfair some times.

Just caught that Enchanter reference hahah well played. Or Mid Tank groups pre-LA nerf with Healer stun.

Imagine 1 minute mezzes? Oh the rage.

I think you're the only one who got that reference! NOBODY cried about Enchanters blowing up a million people per second in Daoc! It's the World of Warcraft carebear generation these days. Argh!

Yeah those Mid melee train groups were brutal.

100% correct IMO. Ushering in a world of casual give you everything you want without having to earn or learn from it attitude.

I used to be able to 1 shot Casters stealthed if they were sitting down... AND NEVER come out of stealth. Of course that was a big OP lolol.

But seriously if you think of half the mechanics that were in DAOC 80% of the current "PvPers" would never be able to handle it.

Can't wait for Camelot Unchained. Although I am enjoying this for now through all the issues.

if u seriously think CU will be anything like DAoC you´re really naive tho. its gonna be the same dumbed down washed up trash as any other mmo that came after DAoC. the WoW generation cant handle real games so no1 makes real games anymore.

Bashev

"Trains" are powerful because of only one skill - "Immovable". If this skill requires 5 heavy armors to be equipped in order to use it, then impulse won't be so spammable and powerful. If the people in the group don't use immovable they can be pulled out from the "train" - then they are dead. Now there is no risk if you are in the "train". The only way to die is when you meet a bigger or better "train".

quakedawg_ESO

lao wrote: »

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

Peeps too young to remember Enchanters. *shudder*

XD

enchanters have 6 buttons tho!

Touche'! Nobody complained about them. I miss the pre-WoW era

lao

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

lao wrote: »

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

Peeps too young to remember Enchanters. *shudder*

XD

enchanters have 6 buttons tho!

Touche'! Nobody complained about them. I miss the pre-WoW era

me too man, me too

RedTalon

Basically they need to balance light armor and destro staff skills its not an exploits just people abusing poor designs, if your not abusing something your not playing the game.

Basically its cheat wars.

HazardousNovex

Please don't nerf impulse in any way, I love farming AP from idiots who use this tactic, my entire guild group is specced towards countering it and it's so funny watching people that use it drop to the floor.

Kajoh_Americano

Grim13 wrote: »

Multi-boxing with bots. These peeps need to be perma-banned. Get on it, ZOS. Save PvP from this silliness.

Yeah, because sticking on the crown is so hard they must be employing 3rd party programs to pull it off.

Damn you teamwork !!!

Kalanar Highwatch

So many people missing the point. It doesn't matter whether you call it an exploit or not. The point is it sucks fun out of pvp! The people dying to it aren't enjoying it and I bet the people doing it aren't even having fun except for maybe enjoying the amount of AP it gets them. I bet if Impulse spamming wasn't so powerful, they'd all go back to playing their characters with swords, daggers, axes, shields and single target staff build and have a lot more fun. That's why it needs ZOSs attention.

Demira

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

Peeps too young to remember Enchanters. *shudder*

If your talking pvp in EQ with the enchanters... I sure do remember!

quakedawg_ESO

Kalanar Highwatch wrote: »

So many people missing the point. It doesn't matter whether you call it an exploit or not. The point is it sucks fun out of pvp! The people dying to it aren't enjoying it and I bet the people doing it aren't even having fun except for maybe enjoying the amount of AP it gets them. I bet if Impulse spamming wasn't so powerful, they'd all go back to playing their characters with swords, daggers, axes, shields and single target staff build and have a lot more fun. That's why it needs ZOSs attention.

I'll take that bet. I'd go out on a limb and say these Impulse groups, Oil dumping tower groups, DK Emperor groups are all having a blast. I doubt they'd log in every day if they were not. Keep entering that camped tower. Keep standing in the path of that train. Keep trying to melee down that DK Emp. If that sucks the fun out of your sails ... sorry?

DeLindsay

Kalanar Highwatch wrote: »

So many people missing the point. It doesn't matter whether you call it an exploit or not. The point is it sucks fun out of pvp! The people dying to it aren't enjoying it and I bet the people doing it aren't even having fun except for maybe enjoying the amount of AP it gets them. I bet if Impulse spamming wasn't so powerful, they'd all go back to playing their characters with swords, daggers, axes, shields and single target staff build and have a lot more fun. That's why it needs ZOSs attention.

You hit the nail on the head as to why ZoS should NOT do anything with Impulse. It doesn't matter if YOU aren't having "fun" it's a matter of whether or not an ability is being abused to the point of an exploit, which it most certainly is not. Every single MMO with PvP, players will always find way to be better at killing than someone else. It's the PvP bads that cry on forums for nerfs to things they can't beat that irritates normal folks. I'm not saying you are one of those, just pointing out that your comment sums up why ZoS should just lock this thread and laugh at it over lunch break.

kirnmalidus

Sunrock wrote: »

Custos91 wrote: »

That is more or less the reason why I don't do pvp anymore, our pvp guilds at AD bloodthorn EU are more or less saying:
DPS or Healer?
Healer: Use these abbilitys, and make sure you got rapid regen/mutagen, Barrier and Immoveable, also we want to have the following buffs from you...
Dps:
Get a destro staff, run with us, spam impulse, get immoveable

I can't test my builds anymore, because they have to work with one of these to things, I got thrown out of a guild because I said I was healing, no point in sieging a open gate to farm points, randoms need healing.
As I said, was thrown out of the guild, can't get a decent pvp grp there now because they are forming a union.
Hope this gets fixed, pls, I don't want to see these spammzergs anymore, I had the chance of grinding with this, I didn't even manage to stay awake for one day, not in the whole month they are doing this now.

That is wearied... 2-3 good templar healers can easily outheal 5000 DPS on a 24 man group and that should counter any full group spaming Impulz. You probably just run into some idiot guild leader that have no clue about healing.

PS: V12 Templars with really good gear.

No, you can't heal through it because the health debuffs from different elemental versions of pulsar are stacking. Didn't read the thread, huh?

kirnmalidus

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

Bitz_Maidenhell wrote: »

Kevinmon wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey there everyone, thanks for the reports on this. We're going to test this ability internally to make sure everything is working the way it should be, and will let you know what the outcome is.

This is a HUGE EXPLOIT that NEEDS to be FIXED IMMEDIATELY. Ebonheart Campaign have been using it for the past 2 weeks and everyone calls them the "*** Train" because they use it 24/7 without EVER being KILLED.

There is no exploit with impluse, there are plenty of counters, but a lot of people haven't seemed to figure them out.....

p.s. we prefer the them "Pain Train"

This appears to be true. Impulse is fine but it appears people are complaining about one of the morphs (Pulsar). I personally don't even know of anyone who uses Pulsar. Which nearly triples the humor of the complaints.

I've seen the death recaps, they are using Pulsar.