So, projected winners of all campaigns (NA)

Lord_Draevan

Love the DC comments of how Wabbajack "doesn't matter", how only the ones where all they do is PvDoor matters.
We all know if DC were winning on it, they wouldn't be saying Wabbajack doesn't matter

Lowbei

dc on wabba pussed out to bloodthorn because competition is too much for them

Agrippa_Invisus

Lowbei wrote: »

dc on wabba pussed out to bloodthorn because competition is too much for them

And their 3 Bar to Locked pop STILL loses 8-10 keeps in prime time to a 2 bar EP population. All that prevents Emperor deposition typically is them planting 100+ Blue in one keep like Ash or Aleswell (see the other thread) and ignoring anything else.

As soon as EP logs for the night, they blue the map -- I've seen 60+ blue taking Drakelowe (Drakelowe, the most insignificant keep on the BT map) at 9:40 AM. There were 3 EP in the zone at the time.

Halrloprillalar

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

And their 3 Bar to Locked pop STILL loses 8-10 keeps in prime time to a 2 bar EP population. All that prevents Emperor deposition typically is them planting 100+ Blue in one keep like Ash or Aleswell (see the other thread) and ignoring anything else.

You mean the same way red camps Arrius? Turtling is not exclusive to DC.

Agrippa_Invisus

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

And their 3 Bar to Locked pop STILL loses 8-10 keeps in prime time to a 2 bar EP population. All that prevents Emperor deposition typically is them planting 100+ Blue in one keep like Ash or Aleswell (see the other thread) and ignoring anything else.

You mean the same way red camps Arrius? Turtling is not exclusive to DC.

Are you talking about BT? Because Arrius defense is usually the last thing we do before calling it a night. A dozen of my guild, maybe 10-20 puggies, and no relief force coming against a sea of blue. We farm our points, and then usually go to bed when the flags flip.

Our only goal is to keep the gates closed as a matter of pride. We've not kept a scroll docked more than six hours in weeks due to the night/early morning crew.

Halrloprillalar

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

And their 3 Bar to Locked pop STILL loses 8-10 keeps in prime time to a 2 bar EP population. All that prevents Emperor deposition typically is them planting 100+ Blue in one keep like Ash or Aleswell (see the other thread) and ignoring anything else.

You mean the same way red camps Arrius? Turtling is not exclusive to DC.

Are you talking about BT? Because Arrius defense is usually the last thing we do before calling it a night. A dozen of my guild, maybe 10-20 puggies, and no relief force coming against a sea of blue. We farm our points, and then usually go to bed when the flags flip.

Our only goal is to keep the gates closed as a matter of pride. We've not kept a scroll docked more than six hours in weeks due to the night/early morning crew.

No guess there was confusion, I meant wabba.

Shaggygaming

I can't believe people are arguing over GoldBrand. That is classic... PVP doesn't matter unless you're fighting on Wabbajack. I said it...

Lowbei

Adonikam wrote: »

I can't believe people are arguing over GoldBrand. That is classic... PVP doesn't matter unless you're fighting on Wabbajack. I said it...

exactly.

pvping elsewhere is like seeing the other neighborhood kids playing football, but deciding to go play tic tac toe with a friend instead.

TRIP233

Rylana wrote: »

AD will win four (Auriels Bow, Dawnbreaker, Hopesfire, and Skullcrusher)
DC will win three (Bloodthorn, Chrysamere, and Volendrung*)
EP will win one (Goldbrand)

Wabbajack is too close to call, but based on current trends is likely to go to DC for a final score of 4AD, 4DC, 1EP

umadreds trollface.jpg

Dont worry, we will spot you Scourge as a consolation prize.

=D

*Volendrung is technically not a lock yet as the point spread is less than 50k as of this post, but trends show there is zero chance of AD actually making a meaningful comeback on this campaign

Disclaimer: the 90 day campaigns were way too long, early AP generation exploits ruined the contest, and the only campaign that actually has population and ever mattered is Wabbajack anyway, but gg.

You forgot the new campaign.. The two week one. It ends tomorrow. It's a little too close to call right now AD and EP have been playing in it DC has little to no points. Currently EP holds the most, but not by much. If AD does nothing to fight EP then EP will take it.

Permafrost

Sorry you kids on the zergfest servers are touchy to the subject that some of us prefer a PvP campaign where we know we can't hide in a zerg, won't have to suffer skill-less opposition running more than 30-40 people and won't have to endure god awful lag.

That's right, I said it.

PvPing on Goldbrand is like watching the Wabba kids play 60 on 60 football, so instead you and 8 of your buddies wait in the parking lot to beat up 30 of them for being god awful. Sure, if those other 90 saw you then you'd get your heads kicked in, but you were smart enough not to get into that sutuation.

Lord_Draevan

Permafrost wrote: »

Sorry you kids on the zergfest servers are touchy to the subject that some of us prefer a PvP campaign where we know we can't hide in a zerg, won't have to suffer skill-less opposition running more than 30-40 people and won't have to endure god awful lag.

That's right, I said it.

PvPing on Goldbrand is like watching the Wabba kids play 60 on 60 football, so instead you and 8 of your buddies wait in the parking lot to beat up 30 of them for being god awful. Sure, if those other 90 saw you then you'd get your heads kicked in, but you were smart enough not to get into that sutuation.

"Zergfest"

Most of us are on TS being coordinated by 4-5 raid leaders... but we're still a zerg despite being coordinated?
Gotcha.

Even if we were a zerg, 300 vs 300 vs 300 will always be better than 300 vs 30 vs 30. Wabbajack is the only balanced server. Anywhere else is Emp farming or Gate camping.

Permafrost

If you have 4-5 raid leaders, yes you are a zerg. But hey, I wasn't the one who started criticizing people for their server of choice.

Lord_Draevan

Permafrost wrote: »

If you have 4-5 raid leaders, yes you are a zerg. But hey, I wasn't the one who started criticizing people for their server of choice.

Neither did I.

Also, zerg...



If we're coordinated, we're not a zerg. We have 4-5 leaders because we split our forces to take several objectives... we'd be a zerg if we were all bunched together. You clearly don't know the meaning of the word "zerg"

Lowbei

this guy is hilarious

so you prefer a "pvp campaign"?

good call lol

you DO know that you can pvp outside of the zerg right? why would you need to "suffer" skill-less opposition when farming zergs of bads is easy and profitable?

sounds like you couldnt handle it and went somewhere smaller. its like a failing athlete who goes back to the minor leagues because the big leagues were too competitive, then trash talking about how easy it is.

grow a pair and step up to wabba, because trash talking while on a low pop server is hilarious.

and yeah dude, even if you are coordinated, you are still zerging, tho im sure you call it something else to feel better about zerging lol.

Halrloprillalar

Permafrost wrote: »

Sorry you kids on the zergfest servers are touchy to the subject that some of us prefer a PvP campaign where we know we can't hide in a zerg, won't have to suffer skill-less opposition running more than 30-40 people and won't have to endure god awful lag.

That's right, I said it.

PvPing on Goldbrand is like watching the Wabba kids play 60 on 60 football, so instead you and 8 of your buddies wait in the parking lot to beat up 30 of them for being god awful. Sure, if those other 90 saw you then you'd get your heads kicked in, but you were smart enough not to get into that sutuation.

There are gank squads on Wabba too. We just get more AP

Permafrost

Yes, let me head to Wabba with its expiration date around the corner, GREAT idea....

And I don't think YOU know what a zerg means. Anyone who told you a zerg can't be coordinated is patently wrong. In fact, a zerg has always been a large coordinated group who swarms to victory via larger numbers. Not skill, NUMBERS.

As for the guy from terrible DAoC guilds, you clearly know nothing about server selection. I'm glad my superior logic amuses your tiny brain.

It's all pointless though, we'll be stuck on laggy servers with giant numbers soon enough. I enjoyed my time not having to endure that while it lasted.

Lowbei

LOL confirmed, you couldnt compete on wabba and went to somewhere else. really funny that you mention daoc guilds which 8v8d as bad, yet you obviously couldnt compete there either

is there anywhere you can compete? haha

Lord_Draevan

Permafrost wrote: »

And I don't think YOU know what a zerg means. Anyone who told you a zerg can't be coordinated is patently wrong. In fact, a zerg has always been a large coordinated group who swarms to victory via larger numbers. Not skill, NUMBERS.

A zerg in an MMO is a large number of uncoordinated players who use sheer numbers to overwhelm opponents. If we're all coordinated via teamspeak and split into smaller groups and strategize, we're not a zerg.
You are the first person I have ever seen use zerg to refer to coordinated players.

Besides, we ARE using skill. We split our forces to take keeps behind enemy lines, cut transitus, camp reinforcements lines and attack keeps to draw forces away from our true objective. We use tactics and we use coordination. Simply having number while doing so does not make us a zerg.

Kriss

Permafrost wrote: »

Yes, let me head to Wabba with its expiration date around the corner, GREAT idea....

And I don't think YOU know what a zerg means. Anyone who told you a zerg can't be coordinated is patently wrong. In fact, a zerg has always been a large coordinated group who swarms to victory via larger numbers. Not skill, NUMBERS.

As for the guy from terrible DAoC guilds, you clearly know nothing about server selection. I'm glad my superior logic amuses your tiny brain.

It's all pointless though, we'll be stuck on laggy servers with giant numbers soon enough. I enjoyed my time not having to endure that while it lasted.

*looks at his raid window with 18 people* oh yeah our 2 18 people raid coordinating to cover more ground and wipe zergs 3 times our size is -clearly- zerging, I think people keep calling organized groups to feel better. After all it's easier to say you got owned by numbers rather than a well oiled machine constituted of skilled motivated players.

Good for you really, whatever gets you through the day

Permafrost

1.) Just because you tried to 8v8, it doesn't mean you were ever any good at it. Those were bad guilds who donated the arepees, kid. We 8v8'd from 2002 up until 2012, so I think we competed just fine.

2.) If you have two groups of 18 (which my math tells me is 36 total people, but don't ask Lowbei to confirm because he probably can't if his reading comprehension is any reflection of his math skills) then I consider that zerg-level numbers. I wasn't aiming to criticize your preferred style of play, but if you want to throw your hat in with terribads who fail at board-warrioring, then you're going to get my opinion.

You might be highly successful in achieving the your goals with those numbers. Honestly, I don't know nor do I actually care enough to investigate. I'm happy with what we do with our smaller numbers and the domination we drop on groups your size. But realistically, I know without relying on exploits or enjoying long duration CC ala DAoC we couldn't consistently fight 80+ defenders like you are probably able to do if you're as well-oiled as you claim. So we chose a server where that wasn't the meta. As I said, sounds like we'll have no choice soon so we'll find out who can and cannot compete.

Lowbei

Permafrost wrote: »

1.) Just because you tried to 8v8, it doesn't mean you were ever any good at it. Those were bad guilds who donated the arepees, kid. We 8v8'd from 2002 up until 2012, so I think we competed just fine.

hilarious that you talk trash yet are too scared to even say your guild name.

thanks for the rps scrub

sorry you couldnt compete in daoc or eso. l2p?

Halrloprillalar

Permafrost wrote: »

1.) Just because you tried to 8v8, it doesn't mean you were ever any good at it. Those were bad guilds who donated the arepees, kid. We 8v8'd from 2002 up until 2012, so I think we competed just fine.

2.) If you have two groups of 18 (which my math tells me is 36 total people, but don't ask Lowbei to confirm because he probably can't if his reading comprehension is any reflection of his math skills) then I consider that zerg-level numbers. I wasn't aiming to criticize your preferred style of play, but if you want to throw your hat in with terribads who fail at board-warrioring, then you're going to get my opinion.

You might be highly successful in achieving the your goals with those numbers. Honestly, I don't know nor do I actually care enough to investigate. I'm happy with what we do with our smaller numbers and the domination we drop on groups your size. But realistically, I know without relying on exploits or enjoying long duration CC ala DAoC we couldn't consistently fight 80+ defenders like you are probably able to do if you're as well-oiled as you claim. So we chose a server where that wasn't the meta. As I said, sounds like we'll have no choice soon so we'll find out who can and cannot compete.

What makes you think that having more than 8 people in a group somehow makes them instantly bad?

I invite you and your 1337 crew of 8 to take a scroll on wabba.

Lowbei

hes too afraid to even say his guild name lol

Permafrost

1.) If you could actually read (and type with any shred of intelligence) you would see my guild name is in my signature.
2.) I think Lowbei is instantly bad, because he can't read or write. Having more than 8 doesn't make you instantly bad. When you have 30-something people running, there's no argument that people can make mistakes, but hide / not get punished. I prefer to avoid that style of play and when pushed, I'll express my opinion criticizing those who propagate it. "Just not my bag, baby."
3.) I think I've made it clear that I have no desire to come to Wabba. New campaigns soon enough.

Lord_Draevan

I'm still reeling from the fact he think 2 groups of 18 coordinated people is a zerg.

Permafrost

I grew up and cut my teeth in an era where that many people is a zerg, no matter how coordinated. I just have an old school mentality. If you played m59/AC1/DAoC as your first three MMOs you might feel the same. Times may change where it's meta to run more, but I'm still going to keep doing more with less. Reel all you want.

Lowbei

GA? thats really funny, since you people couldnt compete on merlin/killi so you only played bgs there, of which i was (probably still am) a gm of your hib guild on my thidranki eldritch named Tinyshots.

tho to be fair, i dont remember you guys fielding 8 on that server, so saying you "couldnt" compete is a bit mean. you simply "didnt" compete.

tell gundorf i said hi

Lord_Draevan

Ah, so it's the "play the way I play or you're wrong and I'm going to mock you for it" mentality. Gotcha.

Lowbei

... well on the topic of zerging, he is correct

generally speaking, to the competitive crowd, more than a group is zerging. gvg is the goal. if you brought more, then you are zerging.

Permafrost

We never played on Merlin or Killi, we were Lance-Galahad-MLF (Devon) along with Bossiney. If anyone was there, they were probably goofing around at best.