So, projected winners of all campaigns (NA)

Permafrost

Avidus, if you crush us so easily, please post your Codex. Looking at bbevier_ESO's reports, the statistics don't lie: we DESTROY you. Every time.

Starshadw

Avidus wrote: »

6. My guild never once had any more than 30 people, at the best of times, we mostly had around 12 during DCs silly charges.

Do not call us a zerg because you can't beat us.

I try and stay out of threads like this, but I dislike it when someone spreads incorrect information.

1. Either you can't count, or
2. There are still other large EP guilds left on Goldbrand that your guild allies and works closely with or
3. You're calling in a crap-ton of guesters to come help

I suspect it's a combination of all of the above (and as you or someone else already admitted on the forums here to being able to call for help to a "large number of EP" and to essentially being online 24/7, I don't think this is a surprise to anyone).

Because those of us on the AD side (and probably the DC side as well) know darn well we're seeing more than 30 EP online. In fact, it generally goes something like this:

We see 2-6 EP at any given location we're attacking
-- time passes... anywhere from 5-20 minutes --
Number of EP goes up exponentially
-- time passes again --
Number of EP goes up exponentially
-- repeat until there is a sea of red in Goldbrand --

There have been nights where we've seen no less than 60 EP. So while perhaps only 30 of them may directly be in your guild, we all know that realistically, the numbers you can bring are far greater than that.

Rylana

Izatar wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

early AP generation exploits ruined the contest

This is categorically untrue. You could say the perception of AP generation exploits. The fact is that the early 'exploits' only made those guys a couple hundred thousand AP. Compared to overall scores after 90 days this is nothing. NOTHING.

But people need to find something to blame other than themselves.

Oh its 100 percent true, unfortunately.

Ive compared the scores on different campaigns of some of the prime suspects and known offenders.

In early april a typical one may have 2,000,000 AP, today 2 months later they have 2.5 million

So they earned 2 million AP in five days but 500k in 60.

Seems legit.

There are no less than 30 examples of this among the nine top ten leaderboards (most of them in the top five, and most of them on the servers that were decided in the first month of points)

Tintinabula

Americans like the underdog and for some strange reason most Americans thought DC would be the underdogs.Yurns out EP is.

Permafrost

Starshadw wrote: »

I try and stay out of threads like this, but I dislike it when someone spreads incorrect information.

That's my issue with this thread. It's either blatant lying which is completely negated by objective statistics, or we are gaming against legitimately delusional people and beating up on the mentally ill makes me feel bad about myself.

I don't think it's any surprise I have all the respect in the world for AD's honesty and integrity.

Avidus

Permafrost wrote: »

That's my issue with this thread. It's either blatant lying which is completely negated by objective statistics, or we are gaming against legitimately delusional people and beating up on the mentally ill makes me feel bad about myself.

I don't think it's any surprise I have all the respect in the world for AD's honesty and integrity.

Oh I am sorry, show me the statistic where you are winning?
Pretty sure we own the campaign mate.

I am also pretty sure I know what numbers we usually roll with.
And if you want to talk about extras that are not apart of us?
Well thats out of our control, but they surely should be fodder to an organized guild.

You lose, accept it.
I'm bailing on this because its just become a flame war.

Leaok

These are the statistics he is referring to : http://imgur.com/a/toCNv

Now imagine, had numbers been even, how badly your side would be getting destroyed. Unfortunately even with us killing on average 12 players for every single death there are just too many EP for us to have a serious chance.

***Stats since around mid May when I installed Codex.

galiumb16_ESO

Gotta say, arguing about who is winning on Goldbrand, a dead server, is making you both look stupid.

Permafrost

I have not asked you to give any information about the campign. Multiple people from all sides have talked about your advantage in both numbers and oceanic crew which explains the dominance that we all accept.

However, I have explicitly asked you several times to provide a single shred of evidence that you defeat us in head to head competition. We've done just that. Why can't you? I find it incredibly laughable and all too convenient that you have decided to abstain from this thread without doing so.

quakedawg_ESO

Wow, this thread is going places.

AnteCoyote

This is what happens when you bring up Goldbrand. It's probably best that everyone pretends it doesn't exist until the campaigns are over. That's all I'm going to say.

ckilpatrickiiiub17_ESO

galiumb16_ESO wrote: »

Gotta say, arguing about who is winning on Goldbrand, a dead server, is making you both look stupid.

It being a small group server and not a total zerg fest does not make it dead. While most people can run and hide in the crowd on the bigger servers, people's short comings in PVP are right out in the open on GB.

Rylana

It is now a mathematical impossibility for AD to win (aside from literally owning every item for the remainder of the contest) on Wabbajack.

Avidus

I myself cannot provide statistics because I do/will not use mods.
And I am discontinuing this flame war because its derailing the purpose of this thread, its not called 'GB epeen contest'

Rylana

The three most common excuses for losing in PvP

1. Lag
2. AFK at start
3. It was a 20 on 1 etc etc etc and id have beat you 1v1 (and then they lose 1v1)

demonlkojipub19_ESO

What makes you think DC will win on wabba.... also the campaigns are supposed to close before their end times, or so ZoS says.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Campaigns are a joke, 2/3rds of the games players are AD

Izatar

Rylana wrote: »

So they earned 2 million AP in five days but 500k in 60.
Seems legit.

I think your math is a bit exaggerated. But in general, yes, it is legit. The best hardcore players that played in april quit! They remain high on the leader-boards because of two factors: 1) they were extremely good players who farmed the crap out of noobs 2) the server populations dropped dramatically after the first few weeks so nobody could earn that high of rate of AP income anymore.

Quit calling exploits.

Rylana

Izatar wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

So they earned 2 million AP in five days but 500k in 60.
Seems legit.

I think your math is a bit exaggerated. But in general, yes, it is legit. The best hardcore players that played in april quit! They remain high on the leader-boards because of two factors: 1) they were extremely good players who farmed the crap out of noobs 2) the server populations dropped dramatically after the first few weeks so nobody could earn that high of rate of AP income anymore.

Quit calling exploits.

1. Abuse of the early access "Kill 20 players" mission that was still using the repeatable beta test rules. This was fixed within three days but not before people already had millions of AP from it. Anyone who was not present for this exploit was at an immediate disadvantage due to the mission being converted into a daily.

2. Abuse of the "Scout Mission" exploit in which if everything on the map except for a keep on the transitus network was taken, and then that keep was taken as the last thing, the scout mission board would grant a constantly repeatable mission with one transitus hop that could be completed every 30 seconds or so. This bug was squashed two patches ago and had been horribly abused on several campaigns. To avoid naming and shaming I wont mention specific campaigns. I, however, was a member of one of the offending campaigns and I watched at least six of the top 10 at the time abusing said exploit for over an hour and a half. This exploit is still to this day not widely known because of the very specific conditions required to cause it to happen.

These two now defunct exploits resulted in players that had scores way higher than others not exploiting the mechanic. Even PvP vets that had legitimately earned over a million AP by actually fighting were completely eclipsed by one person farming the scout or bounty mission a couple hundred times (which took about an hour for 200k - 300k AP, depending on load screen time or number of kills generated, respectively). Where would the leaderboards be without them? I know of at least two campaign leaderboards that would be composed of entirely different people.

Personally, I blame ZOS for not immediately resetting the AP totals for the worst of those offenders, especially the ones that to this day are still in the top 10 and have been since the first week of the game with the same score.

Venithar

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

What makes you think DC will win on wabba.... also the campaigns are supposed to close before their end times, or so ZoS says.

They never said they were going to close before the end date.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

First and foremost, we want to assure you that any Campaigns we close before their natural shutdown time will properly reward players based on their tier reward, alliance placement, and leaderboard status.

As you can see by the part I bolded, it does not say they will close them, just that the ones they do close, if any, will be properly rewarded.

MarisGolding

When in doubt, guest 10000000 people . What a stupid concept. Who honestly put that in the game and thought it was a good idea.

Zintair

MarisGolding wrote: »

When in doubt, guest 10000000 people . What a stupid concept. Who honestly put that in the game and thought it was a good idea.

It was good for the first 2 weeks. After that FAIL.

SwampRaider

MarisGolding wrote: »

When in doubt, guest 10000000 people . What a stupid concept. Who honestly put that in the game and thought it was a good idea.

I agree. I am glad it is going to be a 72 hour lockout now. But that means nothing until they fix how you can just mass teleport your whole guild to one guy in a campaign by teleporting to player from the guild list

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Venithar wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

What makes you think DC will win on wabba.... also the campaigns are supposed to close before their end times, or so ZoS says.

They never said they were going to close before the end date.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

First and foremost, we want to assure you that any Campaigns we close before their natural shutdown time will properly reward players based on their tier reward, alliance placement, and leaderboard status.

As you can see by the part I bolded, it does not say they will close them, just that the ones they do close, if any, will be properly rewarded.

Cool, still doesn't mean DC is going to win by any power of their own.

Starshadw

SwampRaider wrote: »

MarisGolding wrote: »

When in doubt, guest 10000000 people . What a stupid concept. Who honestly put that in the game and thought it was a good idea.

I agree. I am glad it is going to be a 72 hour lockout now. But that means nothing until they fix how you can just mass teleport your whole guild to one guy in a campaign by teleporting to player from the guild list

Agreed. The "travel to player" option (which bypasses the guesting function entirely) has got to go.

Frankly, I'm close to saying that guesting needs to go as well - or at the least, should come with a price tag. It's that much of a problem.

Permafrost

Avidus wrote: »

I myself cannot provide statistics because I do/will not use mods.

That's hilarious and speaks for itself.

Bramir

Tintinabula wrote: »

Americans like the underdog and for some strange reason most Americans thought DC would be the underdogs.Yurns out EP is.

Americans don't like the underdog any more than any other culture. Most pick the team they think will win...just like the rest of the human race. Dedicated pvpers do tend to choose the underdog though...at least those who don't like zerg-sized crutches.

Thechemicals

Speaking of honesty.... new patch notes say you cant use /stuck while carrying the elder scroll anymore....

LonePirate

galiumb16_ESO wrote: »

Gotta say, arguing about who is winning on Goldbrand, a dead server, is making you both look stupid.

Goldbrand is not dead. DC claimed Emperorship over the weekend and EP took it back a few hours later. AD also puts up a fight from time to time as well.

If you want to see a dead campaign, go to Hopesfire. The keeps never change hands and the current AD Emperor has been ruling for almost six weeks.

Goldbrand may not be as lively as Wabbajack. However it is not a dead campaign by any means.

Izatar

Rylana wrote: »

Personally, I blame ZOS

No. Blame yourself.
You are bad at math.
Blame yourself.
Do the math.

Don't blame exploits. They don't add up to anything.