Bolt Escape is Useless and Sorc Survivability

Jar_Ek

The reason 90% of sorcerers shield stack and use bolt escape is because they have to as light armour magicka builds. Stamina sorcerer options are pretty horrible and pet builds don't really work in PVP.

Now with the changes to bolt escape stamina sorcerers are hit far worse than magicka ones, and all sorcerers shift towards being easy kills - as shield stacking is entirely defensive and shields get ripped apart quite easily in melee. Also don't forget that sorcerers only have 1 class shield and shields stacking isn't a sorcerer only thing.

NordJitsu

Lol, I don't even play this game anymore but decided to come to this forum and saw this thread revived.

What are they going to do to it now, out of curiosity?

Emma_Overload

NordJitsu wrote: »

Lol, I don't even play this game anymore but decided to come to this forum and saw this thread revived.

What are they going to do to it now, out of curiosity?

They're going to make the 50% cost increase STACK each time you cast! 3rd cast will cost 100% more, 4th cast 150% more, etc until you run out of magicka in one cast.

It's even more horrible than the nerf you were originally posting about, LOL, and it's ALL because of PvP whining, which has finally destroyed the combat system. Get a load of this... they're even nerfing blocking with a stamina regen debuff.... BLOCKING.

CP5

Erock25 wrote: »

deathpandax_ESO wrote: »

Even with the Nerf, it's still by far the best PvP ability in the game. You have no idea what it's like to fight someone when they will always get away 100% of the time. I don't even engage Sorcs in a 1v1 because there is no point.

Also you can still Bolt 7-8 times before you run out of mana, and 10 if you pot. Anything more then 4 Bolt Escapes away and you are pretty much past the point of no return for a non-Sorc to ever catch up.

Can only bolt twice now with a stamina focused build. We can't just assume all sorc are light armor/staff.

Saying this requires people to think of the non-fotm builds...

NordJitsu

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

Lol, I don't even play this game anymore but decided to come to this forum and saw this thread revived.

What are they going to do to it now, out of curiosity?

They're going to make the 50% cost increase STACK each time you cast! 3rd cast will cost 100% more, 4th cast 150% more, etc until you run out of magicka in one cast.

It's even more horrible than the nerf you were originally posting about, LOL, and it's ALL because of PvP whining, which has finally destroyed the combat system. Get a load of this... they're even nerfing blocking with a stamina regen debuff.... BLOCKING.

Jeez...

This game was actually really well balanced at one point too. BEFORE launch, up until the last month when they did a balance patch, things were pretty close to perfect (DKs were a bit OP compared to the other classes, but not stupid OP.)

They've changed so much since then and it really seems like they have no strategy or vision for balance. They just knee jerk respond to people whining about this or that.

Balance was completely destroyed the last time I played and its a major reason I stopped playing. This news doesn't make me want to come back, that's for sure.

Kronosphere

jonal11_ESO wrote: »

This is dumb, some fighter chases after a mage with bolt escape and cries nerf. It's not your job to chase down the Sorc, it's other Sorcs with bolt escape as well.

I chase down plenty of Sorcs for my team. Because that is what PvP is a TEAM game. But thanks, you just got your own team nerfed too. Now you will cry as all the sorcs instead of bolt escaping instead stay put and AoE all of you down. Incomming crying about mages standing still and AoEing everyone to death!

lollll "its not op, its just the only thing that can beat it is itself lol!!11!112334!11!"

also @NordJitsu there still is not cooldown. do u even know what a cooldown is? its a timer between when u can use it again. u can still use it at any time.. let me guess next u will start counting running out of a resource a cooldown as well? grow some logic man.

lastly, the game SEEMED balanced at the start as you said only because no one had found exploits, no one knew how to play their classes, no one knew what was op, everyone was basically the same level. so plz do tell me it was balanced, it only appeared so.

lastly no bolt escape is not "easily countered" by invasion/gap closers as unlike your silly op skill they are targeted skilled not point and spam. while possible its extremely hard to follow a bolt escaper with traditional gap closers (expet MAYBE the nb one) as for starters, you get stunned when the BE goes off, giving the sorc enough time to bolt a 2nd time at which point hes escaped as u cant use gap close. Even if u use immovable or something most gap closers can pass impassable terrain or ignore LOS stuff. so if your mid air after a BE or you went over a river/steep surface, a gap closer will simply not activate even if in range. then ontop of all this with all the redonk magicka regen they can wait for you to make a mistake, turn arround and burst you. dont say it doesnt happen, it does.

ps. glad to hear you dont play anymore

NordJitsu

Kronosphere wrote: »

jonal11_ESO wrote: »

This is dumb, some fighter chases after a mage with bolt escape and cries nerf. It's not your job to chase down the Sorc, it's other Sorcs with bolt escape as well.

I chase down plenty of Sorcs for my team. Because that is what PvP is a TEAM game. But thanks, you just got your own team nerfed too. Now you will cry as all the sorcs instead of bolt escaping instead stay put and AoE all of you down. Incomming crying about mages standing still and AoEing everyone to death!

lollll "its not op, its just the only thing that can beat it is itself lol!!11!112334!11!"

also @NordJitsu there still is not cooldown. do u even know what a cooldown is? its a timer between when u can use it again. u can still use it at any time.. let me guess next u will start counting running out of a resource a cooldown as well? grow some logic man.

Interesting. Can you explain to me how one goes about "growing" logic? Is it some type of appendage? Does it stick off your head? If so I might not like that. Sounds ugly.

In fact, I think what you have may be a tumor. Perhaps you should go to a doctor instead of commenting in this thread.

The tumor also appears to be interfering with your ability to use logic (since logic is a system for analytical thinking not something that can be grown.)

If you have a game with no cool downs, but the resources serve as a limitation on your ability to cast, and you add in features that make the cost of those resources dependent on a function of time for how quickly you use them in succession, how is that different in principle from a hard cool down?

That's why I called it a "virtual cooldown" in my original post.

Regardless, I don't care any more. They ruined the balance of the game by listening to whiners. I quit because of that and other things. They can do whatever they want to Bolt Escape because it won't affect me anymore.

But just remember when your favorite ability gets nerfed that you condoned this behavior by ZOS. Their constant nerfing in response to baseless winning destroyed the combat in this game.

You may be happy now, but you won't be when it affects you (and I'm guessing if you've played long enough it already has.)

Kronosphere

NordJitsu wrote: »

Kronosphere wrote: »

jonal11_ESO wrote: »

This is dumb, some fighter chases after a mage with bolt escape and cries nerf. It's not your job to chase down the Sorc, it's other Sorcs with bolt escape as well.

I chase down plenty of Sorcs for my team. Because that is what PvP is a TEAM game. But thanks, you just got your own team nerfed too. Now you will cry as all the sorcs instead of bolt escaping instead stay put and AoE all of you down. Incomming crying about mages standing still and AoEing everyone to death!

lollll "its not op, its just the only thing that can beat it is itself lol!!11!112334!11!"

also @NordJitsu there still is not cooldown. do u even know what a cooldown is? its a timer between when u can use it again. u can still use it at any time.. let me guess next u will start counting running out of a resource a cooldown as well? grow some logic man.

Interesting. Can you explain to me how one goes about "growing" logic? Is it some type of appendage? Does it stick off your head? If so I might not like that. Sounds ugly.

In fact, I think what you have may be a tumor. Perhaps you should go to a doctor instead of commenting in this thread.

The tumor also appears to be interfering with your ability to use logic (since logic is a system for analytical thinking not something that can be grown.)

If you have a game with no cool downs, but the resources serve as a limitation on your ability to cast, and you add in features that make the cost of those resources dependent on a function of time for how quickly you use them in succession, how is that different in principle from a hard cool down?

That's why I called it a "virtual cooldown" in my original post.

Regardless, I don't care any more. They ruined the balance of the game by listening to whiners. I quit because of that and other things. They can do whatever they want to Bolt Escape because it won't affect me anymore.

But just remember when your favorite ability gets nerfed that you condoned this behavior by ZOS. Their constant nerfing in response to baseless winning destroyed the combat in this game.

You may be happy now, but you won't be when it affects you (and I'm guessing if you've played long enough it already has.)

every game with a cooldown also has mana as well that i can think off. nice waste of the 1st few paragraphs as well makes u seem real smart kid.

and its not baseless simply because you say it is. would love to talk on ts3 or something cant comprehend how you function and think.

NordJitsu

Kronosphere wrote: »

every game with a cooldown also has mana as well that i can think off.

Irrelevant point.

Kronosphere wrote: »

and its not baseless simply because you say it is.

It's baseless because its unreasonable and indefensible.

Kronosphere wrote: »

cant comprehend how you function and think.

I think logically and analytically, using as much information as is available.

Given your past few post, it is no surprise to me that you're unable to comprehend that type of thinking.

Anyway, peace, I'm out.

Laggus

xDonMega wrote: »

Does the VR12 DK understand that you probably won't have a full magic bar when your in the middle of combat and need BE the most?

Will just have to stick around and help your group out then in the fight and not bolt off on them when they need you the most. Adapt.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

NordJitsu wrote: »

@Fshober28b14_ESO‌

I stopped using Bolt Escape in my group PvP build a while ago. Fact of the matter is even before the two ham-handed nerfs it wasn't that great of an ability. Depending on your build, there are a dozen other skills you could slot there that would be better.

The reason I'm upset about this change is because it shows me that ZOS literally has no idea what the **** they are doing. They're just going to listen to whoever whines the loudest.

Its a bad precedent for the game. I already know tons of people who've quit because of moronic skill changes that they've made. Hell I'm probably going to quit as well.

What you don't understand is that people like yourself are bad for the game. You ruin it. You cry for nerfs, the devs listen, each time the nerf bat comes down more and more people quit. Then suddenly they have an empty game and you quit as well.

But you won't listen to me. You'll keep on doing what you do to every MMO that doesn't have developers with enough back bone to ignore you.

you talk as if no nerfs have been needed. there have been many absolutely necessary nerfs over the years and people definitely brought up that they were needed. so many people who complain about nerfs talk like the game is balanced. Its not, more nerfs are coming, then new content, weapons armor, more balancing more nerfs. anyone who says that no nerfs or tweaks were needed were just capitalizing on unbalanced mechanics and complaining the gravy train is over.

Francescolg

Once ago, in Diablo 2, blink was nurfed down to exactly 1 time you can cast it. There were gap closers in D2 but Blizzard recognized it as too powerful. And Blizzard was right.
Even if the two games aren't comparable, the skills are and people learned about balance since then, exept Mr. Wroebel & Comrades.

After reading some posts from the first pages, I'd don't really know what to say.

BurtFreeman

i don't know, may be this discussion is timed, but i use streak and it's probabily one of the most powerfull skill of the game: no one class has a mobility like this. this make me think a lot, because my favorite class is sorc, and i still think that all the skills are too strong and need a nerf here and there: how can you say that bolt escape is useless?

is useless if you do not use it

Tors

NordJitsu wrote: »

destroying a class defining ability.


Surley the thing that defines the sorc is the massive DPS?

NordJitsu wrote: »

The ability was perfectly balanced already.

This statement means nothing. Balanced with what? Your need to easily kill multiple enemy players with them having no counter VS their ability to think "sod this" and give up?

People toss the word "balance" around as if it some sort of charm that gives their post authenticity, when really they have no idea what they are saying.

My 7 year old girl comes home from school and uses big words she heard in the playground in totally the wrong context, with her is sounds cute, with adults is sounds childish