Zenimax going back on a promise about Racial Motiff's in 1.2

Bhakura · May 2014

Yall can stop crying now, motifs are back, enjoy the login-logout farming. Picked up daedric 10 minutes after finishing patch dl.

GunemCleric · May 2014

I have not read the full thread, but I found Deadric this morning and luckily I had a skill point that was refunded when they nerfed one of my skills so i could use it.

I am not a farmer, though I will usually open every container in a new city. I could not play because devs juiced the mobs (MGH, Mob Growth Hormone?). So I figured I would tour the cities of vr zones, found it in a desk in the fighters guild that is in an aelyid ruin (EP vr7 i think) after about 15 minutes. was able to use the point and the motif.

Then of course exited, hoping that would ensure i got to keep it, with the wonderful rollbacks and all, and about that time i realized that eso had used 70% of my 8GB so exited.

1 fix and 3 bugs demonstrated in 20 minutes.

Lodestar · May 2014

Two guilds mates found rares today, and I not had a rare yet!!!! Of course, I do not doubt people are finding them. Just seeing everyone but me getting them.

And truth be told, while I would use them, one for each crafter, I am only fussed about one, maybe two of them.

ZOS_GinaBruno · May 2014

Thanks for the feedback, all. Just popping in to let you know we're reading everything you're reporting.

Give this a bit more time to soak in and see if you're continuing to see a change (or no change).

Arsenic_Touch · May 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback, all. Just popping in to let you know we're reading everything you're reporting. Give this a bit more time to soak in and see if you're continuing to see a change (or no change).

Fixing the empty container bug has done a lot of good, the prices are going down when people are getting called out for price gouging. You still need to remove the old patch notes though.

fiachsidhe · May 2014

I love how ZoS couldn't get this nerf out fast enough that they accidentally included it in two different patch notes, but we have to wait for over a month to have a fraction of the NB abilities fixed.

Thanks Zeni!

Zershar_Vemod · May 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey there, everyone. We wanted to clarify a couple things for you about this issue -

The note you’re seeing in today’s patch notes regarding the reduced rate of earning racial motifs and provisioning recipes is actually for a reduction that already happened in patch v1.0.5, but we unintentionally missed the patch note for it when it was first introduced. Our apologies for the confusion this may have caused.

When this reduction initially happened, it presented an issue that caused more empty containers and furniture than intended. That issue has been fixed in today’s patch, so you will no longer find interactable objects saying they have items, but are actually empty.

Note: Post edited for a spelling mistake, oops!

I still get this a lot.......

Kingslayer · May 2014

I haven't had a single motif since they tried to stop the motif farmers. Its been annoying constantly searching only to find empty containers etc. Mistakes can be made but i expect a much better service with regards to fixes from a subscription based game i think most do. Thinks should be fixed as fast as possible Not concentrating on new content. Fix what we have first, the broken abilities among other things. People would forgive two months of no content if they saw some serious fixes being implemented. Also separate the patches. We shouldn't have to wait for content patches to get Qol fixes. This game is suffering from a serious lack of qol in general so many things just don't work as they should. The Eu server is just terrible for Lag and still even after 1.1 its still in the west of the Usa. Even F2p games have localized servers the point has come to shift this in the next week or two. Also the lack of communication is bad these days.

gurluasb16_ESO · May 2014

Only found one motif ever during my entire playtime.
All houses and such almost always have empty containers, and if they don't...Then they contain a lockpick or some racial crafting material.

Darlgon · May 2014

Lets see.. got a DE motif yesterday afternoon, and a Nord one today, both in my normal supply/motif run in Windhelm. Looks like they upped the drop rate...

Aeradon · May 2014

reggielee wrote: »

geeze, the easiest option would have been to make them bound to acct. all the exploiters would have useless stock to sell. the drop rate would have remained the same so in effect an active player leveling and looting along the way would get eventually all the motiffs

this only benefits the exploiters and bots that stockpiled the high motiffs already

@reggielee‌ What am I going to do with 5 Breton motifs on my Breton? If you're telling me I have 7 other slots, all of them are either Breton or learnt it because I had 11 initially, nobody wants a Breton motif and the only other motif I managed to pick up is Khajiit.

Akhratos · May 2014

Aeradon wrote: »

reggielee wrote: »

geeze, the easiest option would have been to make them bound to acct. all the exploiters would have useless stock to sell. the drop rate would have remained the same so in effect an active player leveling and looting along the way would get eventually all the motiffs

this only benefits the exploiters and bots that stockpiled the high motiffs already

@reggielee‌ What am I going to do with 5 Breton motifs on my Breton? If you're telling me I have 7 other slots, all of them are either Breton or learnt it because I had 11 initially, nobody wants a Breton motif and the only other motif I managed to pick up is Khajiit.

I want a breton motif ^^

MercyKilling · May 2014

To date, I've managed to find all normal motifs for one of my three characters. This -includes- imperial motif.
The other two are about two thirds complete on normal motifs, but I don't hold out much hope for finding two more imperial motifs.

Wolfshead · May 2014

Honest OP i understand that casual feel like the get over rule but the low drop rate as i myself is a casual player to but i do understand one thing with come to mmo in all honest no one want free hand not even a casual player sure it fun at start but at end of day what is point of get everything for free if you want something really bad you other go out and farm for it or you buy of someone that have item you want that is what all about.

If you want free hand you can always play WoW for the have whole isle that gave you free epic gear so trust me it was fun for like 2 week of game play.

If you want a recipe to your craft you other work for it or buy someone i'm glad it is hard to found those recipe for then gear you make will be worth sell to other who don't have those recipe if everyone have all recipe the it wont be any in game trading for everyone can do same gear think about it so at the end it is win win for all it may not look like it now but it will be in long run.

vyal · May 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback, all. Just popping in to let you know we're reading everything you're reporting. Give this a bit more time to soak in and see if you're continuing to see a change (or no change).

With respect, it's "soaked in" since 1.0.5/1.0.6.
It's great that furniture/vases/etc are no longer empty and don't just give lockpicks. The provisioners are happier.
Unfortunately, the drop rate of recipes/motifs is identical, but that's not the problem.

The problem?

Overall, the solution is terrible, and bind-to-account (instead) solves all the problems currently plaguing motifs, and would allow you to have a much less punitive drop rate. It would also completely halt motifs being used as currency by RMT gold farmers.

Why has Zenimax not changed all motifs to be bind-to-account on pickup?

GrimCyclone · May 2014

(Response to topic title)

Hey, take it easy, Eugene is still on break eating his hot pockets. He's a big guy, gotta get his fuel.

Manus · May 2014

I went and looked at one of those RMT sites 40 bucks for a daedric motif. Whats sad I bet people are buying them.

pknecron · May 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

AlexCala7b14_ESO wrote: »

@ZoS_GinaBruno is the drop rate the same, and there are just mroe empty furniture when you go into areas? Or does this fix in some way fix the drope rate on these motiffs, especially the higher end ones that have become night impossible to find?

The drop rate will be the same, but you will find less empty furniture now.

Sorry for the confusion on this, guys. Hope this helps clear things up!

Woohooo more lockpicks....

Dev · May 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

AlexCala7b14_ESO wrote: »

@ZoS_GinaBruno But should they be so rare that their going for prices in the market house which can only have been obtained by exploiting prior to the nerf when people could dupe gold and items, or buying gold from gold sellers? That's part of the issue. There's rare, and then there's impossible-to-get-almost rare.

I guess we'll see what happens, with the patch but I don't see it changing much, unfortunately.

Yeah, spend some time playing with this new patch first. If you truly feel like the motifs are so rare that they're impossible to attain, let us know. As mentioned earlier, we'll keep an eye on the feedback.

What if they seemed impossible to get before this patch?

From the start of early access through today, I have seen 5 motifs (2 imperials, 2 Bretons and a khajit), all within the first two weeks and none since. I open every cabinet, urn and other lootable container...

Also red wheat seems to be rare and well the purple recipes don't exist, especially not the consummate sweet roll... been looking for that one for quite a while.

the whole idea behind 'lets fight the bots by making it drop less' has in reality made them more rare and tempting for the gold sellers.

From a business perspective, 20$ for a stack of red wheat, few motifs and that recipe.. seems sort of tempting when considering the 200 hours of potential gameplay before one could get that in the game...

Fortunately, or should I say unfortunately, at the rate this game is falling apart, spending more money on it for any reason, which does include the subscription cost is seeming to be a questionable investment.

Rare may be rare, but pointless is another story.

reggielee · May 2014

Archaon wrote: »

Aeradon wrote: »

reggielee wrote: »

geeze, the easiest option would have been to make them bound to acct. all the exploiters would have useless stock to sell. the drop rate would have remained the same so in effect an active player leveling and looting along the way would get eventually all the motiffs

this only benefits the exploiters and bots that stockpiled the high motiffs already

@reggielee‌ What am I going to do with 5 Breton motifs on my Breton? If you're telling me I have 7 other slots, all of them are either Breton or learnt it because I had 11 initially, nobody wants a Breton motif and the only other motif I managed to pick up is Khajiit.

I want a breton motif ^^

I also have a few of each of the lower motiffs, saving them for when I start lvling up an alt to craft instead of my main which isnt working out. I was going to sell them but its too much a pain in the bottom, however... I would gladly have them all bound to acct to stop all the problems with motiff camping and gold farming. If they reverted the drop rates to what they were pre patches then we all would get them with the usual looting whilst exploring and questing as intended

Aeradon · May 2014

@Archaon‌ COD you, what's the price you want? Pass me your username.

AngryWolf · May 2014

Thanks for the feedback. Glad to hear it wasn't reduced twice and to be fair I found two (non-rare) last night.

Zarman · May 2014

Make them buyable Via the blacksmiths/ merchants, as well as findable
For Example
Regular sets = 1000 gold
Rare = 10 000 gold

This will stop people listing them for stupid prices if they do find them.

DireKit · May 2014

AlexCala7b14_ESO wrote: »

cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »

So they promised to look into it and they did? How is that breaking their promise?

Just because you disagree with their findings doesn't mean they are going back on their word.

Explain to me how "Looking into it." and two threads about the items complete dissapearance, somehow merits, a /FURTHER REDUCTION IN THE DROP RATE./

Hey, Hey. /ARE WE COOL YET?/ Can We /JOIN THE CLUB?/

wllstrt75b14_ESO · May 2014

anyone saying that racial motiffs are not fixed are ignorant morons, I have never farmed for a motiff and never found a rare motiff until right after the patch when I found 2 in 6 hours.They have been fixed and are now back in the game quit crying.

AlexDougherty · May 2014

Aeradon wrote: »

reggielee wrote: »

geeze, the easiest option would have been to make them bound to acct. all the exploiters would have useless stock to sell. the drop rate would have remained the same so in effect an active player leveling and looting along the way would get eventually all the motiffs

this only benefits the exploiters and bots that stockpiled the high motiffs already

@reggielee‌ What am I going to do with 5 Breton motifs on my Breton? If you're telling me I have 7 other slots, all of them are either Breton or learnt it because I had 11 initially, nobody wants a Breton motif and the only other motif I managed to pick up is Khajiit.

Well you could give them to alts, since bound is bound to account, not bound to character, but yeah your Breton won't need them.

nightside187b16_ESO · May 2014

So rare motifs are not rare anymore ,and for you people that bought them at 100 200k + i think zenimax is just saying FU guys or buy more gold ?

McDoogs · May 2014

wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »

anyone saying that racial motiffs are not fixed are ignorant morons, I have never farmed for a motiff and never found a rare motiff until right after the patch when I found 2 in 6 hours.They have been fixed and are now back in the game quit crying.

It's called RNG, calm down.

DireKit · May 2014

McDoogs wrote: »

wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »

anyone saying that racial motiffs are not fixed are ignorant morons, I have never farmed for a motiff and never found a rare motiff until right after the patch when I found 2 in 6 hours.They have been fixed and are now back in the game quit crying.

It's called RNG, calm down.

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Aeradon · May 2014

DireKit wrote: »

McDoogs wrote: »

wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »

anyone saying that racial motiffs are not fixed are ignorant morons, I have never farmed for a motiff and never found a rare motiff until right after the patch when I found 2 in 6 hours.They have been fixed and are now back in the game quit crying.

It's called RNG, calm down.

UHUNHNBRLRLLHRLLRRHH RRAAAHHH!!! /headturn360degrees

BLLRURURUHHLLRLLRLHLRLRHHRLRHH!

All I could remember is the parody. HAHA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4A1haySbx8