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Zenimax going back on a promise about Racial Motiff's in 1.2
AlexCala7b14_ESO
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We were told they would investigate the dissapearance of Motiff's /TWO WEEKS AGO/.
(Thread hear, quote from ZoS below.)
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/93552/the-disappearance-of-racial-motifs/p3
For a problem that has been documented for almost a month now. Yet with todays' pathc note,s we find the drop rate is being /REDUCED/ even /MORE?/ What the hell? We were told they'd investigate, who the hell came up with the idea to reduce them even more? Is it really so hard to see that the drop rate on Motiff's is too little now and the nerf was too hard? Why are the casual players being /PUNISHED/ when it was bots and exploiters who were the problem? And why are we being /PUNISHED/ more for an issue that is of no benefit to the community, the game, or the morale as a whole?
I've been on Zenimax's side since forever, but this? This where I draw the line. What the hell is going on guys? Why are you not fixing the overly nerfed drop rate? And why are you punishing the honest people when it's the dishonest ones who were the issue? Why are you going back on your word and your promise to investigate this stuff?!
(Thread hear, quote from ZoS below.)
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/93552/the-disappearance-of-racial-motifs/p3
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey guys, we're going to investigate this issue and let you know what we find out. Thanks for the reports!
For a problem that has been documented for almost a month now. Yet with todays' pathc note,s we find the drop rate is being /REDUCED/ even /MORE?/ What the hell? We were told they'd investigate, who the hell came up with the idea to reduce them even more? Is it really so hard to see that the drop rate on Motiff's is too little now and the nerf was too hard? Why are the casual players being /PUNISHED/ when it was bots and exploiters who were the problem? And why are we being /PUNISHED/ more for an issue that is of no benefit to the community, the game, or the morale as a whole?
I've been on Zenimax's side since forever, but this? This where I draw the line. What the hell is going on guys? Why are you not fixing the overly nerfed drop rate? And why are you punishing the honest people when it's the dishonest ones who were the issue? Why are you going back on your word and your promise to investigate this stuff?!
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cjmarsh725b14_ESO✭✭✭✭So they promised to look into it and they did? How is that breaking their promise?
Just because you disagree with their findings doesn't mean they are going back on their word.24 -
Nitratas✭✭✭Daedric motif is going for more than half a million gold at the moment. Theres no way to save that much money without abusing the market.
Yup, zenimax is encouraging you to buy gold for your dollars and encourage all this botting and RMT
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✭Some of the changes listed in these notes took place before this patch (officer chat fix comes to mind). I'm guessing there was not a further nerf to drop rates but hey I could be wrong. @Hiyde GM/Founder - Bleakrock Barter Co (Trade Guild - PC/NA) | Blackbriar Barter Co (Trade Guild-PC/NA)2 -
Pangnirtung✭✭✭✭✭They promised a fix for NB's too. Apparently that's for a future update. Probably the same thing for motifs. Meanwhile all the farmers who exploited the system are grinning from ear to ear. Way to encourage sales of in game items.7
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AlexCala7b14_ESO✭✭✭cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »So they promised to look into it and they did? How is that breaking their promise?
Just because you disagree with their findings doesn't mean they are going back on their word.
Explain to me how "Looking into it." and two threads about the items complete dissapearance, somehow merits, a /FURTHER REDUCTION IN THE DROP RATE./4 -
AlexCala7b14_ESO✭✭✭Especially when it seems Zenimax is ignoring the thread they said they would investigate in, and would like for it to get buried. Notice how there was no mention of the investigation in this thread:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/90718/motif-materials-drop-rate-decrease#latest
One would think if they were /actually bothering/ they would mention that it was being actively looked into, like they said they were going to do in another thread. So again, I ask, what the hell is going on?0 -
AlexCala7b14_ESO✭✭✭Oh? And where is that? And it doesn't matter if it's possible or not, the issue is the drop rate, which was supposed to be looked into, and has been penalizing players for over a month now, has either further been reduced, or Zenimax doesn't want to both, since they don't appear to be acknowledging that they are looking into the issue, based on a more recent Dev post.0
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cjmarsh725b14_ESO✭✭✭✭AlexCala7b14_ESO wrote: »Oh? And where is that? And it doesn't matter if it's possible or not, the issue is the drop rate, which was supposed to be looked into, and has been penalizing players for over a month now, has either further been reduced, or Zenimax doesn't want to both, since they don't appear to be acknowledging that they are looking into the issue, based on a more recent Dev post.
They looked into the issue. They decided the motifs should be more rare and harder to find. Whether or not you think it penalizes players is your personal opinion and not something Zenimax is answerable to.8 -
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Because I don't have a lot of faith in companies whom don't acknowledge prior investigations, unfortunately. Been lied to too many times in the past to have good faith when they fail to acknowledge something they said was going on when it is brought up again. That looks like covering up to me, and apathy.
This. They often don't list every single little detail in the patch notes.
Because this:
Itemization
The rate at which you can earn racial motifs and provisioning recipes from lootable containers and furniture has been slightly reduced.4 -
reggielee✭✭✭✭geeze, the easiest option would have been to make them bound to acct. all the exploiters would have useless stock to sell. the drop rate would have remained the same so in effect an active player leveling and looting along the way would get eventually all the motiffs
this only benefits the exploiters and bots that stockpiled the high motiffs alreadyMama always said the fastest way to a man's heart is through his chest.26 -
AlexCala7b14_ESO✭✭✭cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »AlexCala7b14_ESO wrote: »Oh? And where is that? And it doesn't matter if it's possible or not, the issue is the drop rate, which was supposed to be looked into, and has been penalizing players for over a month now, has either further been reduced, or Zenimax doesn't want to both, since they don't appear to be acknowledging that they are looking into the issue, based on a more recent Dev post.
They looked into the issue. They decided the motifs should be more rare and harder to find. Whether or not you think it penalizes players is your personal opinion and not something Zenimax is answerable to.
Rarer than they were two weeks ago? More rare than the fact they can't even be found now? So we're just going to make them impossible to find now? Are you that naive, that fanboyish to believe, or do you actually think such a policy is right?4 -
AlexCala7b14_ESO✭✭✭geeze, the easiest option would have been to make them bound to acct. all the exploiters would have useless stock to sell. the drop rate would have remained the same so in effect an active player leveling and looting along the way would get eventually all the motiffs
this only benefits the exploiters and bots that stockpiled the high motiffs already
Boom. This guy get's a cookie.9 -
SonoshiSoul ShrivenI once commented in Auridon zone chat when someone complained that they weren't finding motifs, that I hadn't seen one in over two weeks. (ANY of them. Basic 1-10, or with my VR characters 11-14, despite looking everywhere, even in barrels and sacks...just to cover all my bases.)
Not sure if this was a troll or not, but someone piped up that they find them "all the time" since Zenimax "fixed" the drop rate.
I've concluded that my account is cursed. >.>
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cjmarsh725b14_ESO✭✭✭✭AlexCala7b14_ESO wrote: »cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »AlexCala7b14_ESO wrote: »Oh? And where is that? And it doesn't matter if it's possible or not, the issue is the drop rate, which was supposed to be looked into, and has been penalizing players for over a month now, has either further been reduced, or Zenimax doesn't want to both, since they don't appear to be acknowledging that they are looking into the issue, based on a more recent Dev post.
They looked into the issue. They decided the motifs should be more rare and harder to find. Whether or not you think it penalizes players is your personal opinion and not something Zenimax is answerable to.
Rarer than they were two weeks ago? More rare than the fact they can't even be found now? So we're just going to make them impossible to find now? Are you that naive, that fanboyish to believe, or do you actually think such a policy is right?
I was going to write a response but I couldn't stop laughing at "fanboyish"3 -
AlexCala7b14_ESO✭✭✭Noone's been finding them. I know that because I'm in five different guilds, and 1300 people can't all be having the same amount of *** luck.6
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ShadowWolf613✭✭✭They fulfilled there promise. The looked into it didn't they? yes they did and they decided that the motifs need to be rarer to find when searching in CONTAINERS and FURNITURE. Which I do agree with. I don't think they should be found in containers and furniture but should be loot from monsters and bosses and such.2 -
Blade_07✭✭✭✭Daedric motif is going for more than half a million gold at the moment. Theres no way to save that much money without abusing the market.
Yup, zenimax is encouraging you to buy gold for your dollars and encourage all this botting and RMT
This!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Man can live about forty days without food, about three days without water, about eight minutes without air, but only for one second without hope.”9 -
AlexCala7b14_ESO✭✭✭anonymousshadow613b16_ESO wrote: »They fulfilled there promise. The looked into it didn't they? yes they did and they decided that the motifs need to be rarer to find when searching in CONTAINERS and FURNITURE. Which I do agree with. I don't think they should be found in containers and furniture but should be loot from monsters and bosses and such.
They were already impossible to find before this patch. Now it's even more impossible to find. Containers and furniture is where you find this stuff, I think the monster drop rate(If they do drop on monsters. I don't recall if they do or not.), is likely even more absurdly low.1 -
JessieColt✭✭✭✭1. Racial Motiff's are a costume. They impart ZERO affect to the armor other than how it looks.
2. Racial Motiff's have ZERO affect on the game itself. (See #1 above)
3. Sellers will ask for as much as they want, on any item, at any time. ZeniMax cannot control this.
4. Buyers will pay what they think something is worth to themselves. Regardless of how many are available in the game at any given time.
4. Buyers dictate the cost of items. If no one was willing to pay 100K for a damn costume, then the price would fall.
On a side note, I think ZeniMax screwed the proverbial pooch on this one. They should have increased the drop rate by 10% on all the Racials, set the vendor cost on the books at 10g, but made them BoP.
BAM! cost problem solved and complainers have been silenced at the same time.Edited by JessieColt on 22 May 2014 14:4516 -
ShadowWolf613✭✭✭AlexCala7b14_ESO wrote: »anonymousshadow613b16_ESO wrote: »They fulfilled there promise. The looked into it didn't they? yes they did and they decided that the motifs need to be rarer to find when searching in CONTAINERS and FURNITURE. Which I do agree with. I don't think they should be found in containers and furniture but should be loot from monsters and bosses and such.
They were already impossible to find before this patch. Now it's even more impossible to find. Containers and furniture is where you find this stuff, I think the monster drop rate(If they do drop on monsters. I don't recall if they do or not.), is likely even more absurdly low.
They did drop from monsters and such when game first launched it's how i got a couple of them. They should be hard to get anyways. So I don't mind that they are hard to get.2 -
I have to agree with the OP. The drop rate for motifs has already been insanely low since their last swing of the nerfbat. Further reducing of their drop rate is obscene. I do kinda like the idea of them being bound on pickup, thus eliminating the absurd market for these things that seems to stem from the bots/farmers.6
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etherin77✭✭✭To me this all seems to be a giant pokemon moment of "gotta catch them all"
If we where meant to have every thing they would have given it to us in the first place...
QQ "I've run this dungeon 8 times and the bracers i need havent dropped. They must have nerfed it"
These items are earned from a random drop, play the game and if you get what you wanted than be happy with that. It's not a race to who has everything...
If you must have "it" then waste your septims to get it. its not like its a game breaker to not have an armor style6 -
AlexCala7b14_ESO✭✭✭anonymousshadow613b16_ESO wrote: »AlexCala7b14_ESO wrote: »anonymousshadow613b16_ESO wrote: »They fulfilled there promise. The looked into it didn't they? yes they did and they decided that the motifs need to be rarer to find when searching in CONTAINERS and FURNITURE. Which I do agree with. I don't think they should be found in containers and furniture but should be loot from monsters and bosses and such.
They were already impossible to find before this patch. Now it's even more impossible to find. Containers and furniture is where you find this stuff, I think the monster drop rate(If they do drop on monsters. I don't recall if they do or not.), is likely even more absurdly low.
They did drop from monsters and such when game first launched it's how i got a couple of them. They should be hard to get anyways. So I don't mind that they are hard to get.
I don't mind if they're hard to get, but I do mind if they are /impossible/ to get. Or have some stupidly low drop rate that makes it so they are just about impossible to get, unless you abused the system in the past with gold exploits, duping exploits, or buying gold, the later of which they are trying to combat. The drop rate is stupidly low and they have seemingly gone back on their word to investigate the issue that is detrimental to the morale and overall fun of the game.
A game that I have loved, since day one, but when I see someone going back on their word, or not living up to their promises, I call them out on it. Friend, family, people I don't know. I hold people accountable for their actions, or lack thereof, in this case. And ZOS's continued silence in this matter is /defeaning./2
