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Vaqual wrote: »

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Vaqual wrote: »

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Xarc wrote: »

gj zos.

2 bars on each faction is at cropsford running quests. .5 bar of people who gain a sense of self-esteem by ganking those 2 bars while they're turning in quests in cropsford and .5 bars of the regular pvp crowd sitting on a wall wondering how this is healthy for cyro and pvp in general...

Gj zos..

Yes, shame gankers and questers into repairing walls. How can they not see what PvP is all about?

Not shaming. Just stating facts. These events are aimed at exposing pve players to pvp to drum up sustained interest in pvp. To elaborate on my summary above, it is likely very difficult to be interested in staying and / or returning to something as toxic as what I described above if you aren’t a sweat already.

Zos can't (or won't) fix the issues. Instead they come up with vengeance so three different barbarian hordes can spam limited skills on each other until the math calculation completes and the largest team wins.

This watered down cyro will be fun for two weeks and then everyone, sweats and all, will move on to things that are more interesting, complex and fun.

I don't agree really. No offense intended, but this is just an opinion presented as a fact. Getting ganked while questing is the perfect hero/villain arc starter. These small scale skirmishes with poor gankers were a million times more attractive than the keep grind was for me as a noob. Just as completing quests with a pulse of 180 is something only Cyro and IC offer. For me questing (as a newbie) and ganking was much more straightforward and fun than zerging, ball groups and repairing stuff.
While the game clearly has glaring balancing issues, people playing Cyro wrong is hardly the problem. Zerging and green points just isn't attractive enough to sell the Cyro play style for some, and in the end no one has to login to play for someone elses entertainment. And if I end up in a quester and ganker filled campgain I might even have more fun than in a regular campaign.

Nothing I said was opinion. You are focusing on one very small detail about the motivation of gankers to try and question the actual point of what I was saying. Talk about rabbit hole...

Anyway, there is no world, real world anyway, where the motivation behind repeatedly shooting fish swimming in a barrel is anything other than filling a personal hole so you can feel good about yourself. We can agree to disagree on that. But my point stands.

Pvp is toxic because zos cant make it not toxic. They just cant do it. Zos cannot make pvp fun for new players because they cant remove the toxicity because they dont know enough about pvp to do so. I think this is because they dont care about pvp... this is opinion. I do not think zos employees know how to pvp in eso and make decisions that illustrate this every single release/patch.

I am not just going to let it stand like that. I am not a fan of spelling everything out, but you know the implication is that you get to hunt questers, gankers and/or counter-gankers until you find fun? This neither about shooting fish in a barrel nor about filling holes. This dismissal is just helplessness manifested. Can you find your fun without the need for ZOS to change other peoples behaviours for you?

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

They should remove the dead campaigns to shore up the numbers in live ones.

There is something people keep leaving out... yes.. this is hands down the weakest turn out for MYM that I have ever seen..

But the queue is still 2 hours long.. why?!

They either A) lowered the pop cap (which they didn't) or The afk macro people are a problem.

Last night was the 4th night in a row where I spent 1.5-2 hours in queue (I got in queue right after work) only to get into Cyro and... struggle to find fights. The fights you did find were just stupid... the 4 people running circles around trees and rocks, running in towers, etc.

The largest ap tick I've gotten so far was.. 20k? I'm used to 150k ticks in MYM.

There is something going on with this camp. I don't know if there are stale sessions that aren't being cleared @ZOS_Kevin or if the pop somehow got borked between veng and this MYM... it just feels.... way off.

I know priorities are hard to shift and get dev time to look into stuff... but is there any chance we could get a dev just to do a quick once over of the cap/sessions etc and make sure there is nothing going on, Kevin?

ZOS can start by either fixing the medal score bug (at least in deathmatches) where critical heal medals give higher score than intended. The ingame information says it's supposed to reward 5 points each time you score a 10k heal, but for some reason it rewards you with 20 points. So either the medal is bugged or ZOS can't be bothered to display accurate/correct tooltips. This has been bugged for years. I assume it's a bug and not a tooltip/UI error because it makes little sense that such a medal would give more points than the Rapid Recovery (score a 15k heal) one (which works correctly).

@ZOS_Kevin Is this something that you can bring to the devs? Would be nice to have this bug fixed.

HatchetHaro wrote: »

The disadvantaged side can just wait for the rest of their team to respawn, group up, then make a coordinated push together, all from the spawn platform. It has been a successful strategy for me any time this happens, and can sometimes turn the tide of the battle.

Not really, as jumping down means they cannot use skills/abilities in mid-air. While at the same time they are open to attack during the fall, and the fall's stagger. People no longer wait til their enemies are on the ground before attacking... which is also why you see players in this thread state they want enemies dropped from their spawnplace, because they can't kill them up there. Henceforth me pointing out sportmanship goes both ways. Enemy players should never be near another group's spawnpoint in the first place. Especially if we talk about sportmanship, which this thread touched upon.

It's funny actually... in the old days of MMO's this wasn't even an issue. As players would actually let their enemies re-group, and stayed away from their enemy's spawnpoint even if they could easily go there. Staying away from enemy's spawnpoints was common PvP etiquette for many years.

Sportmanship used to go both ways! But as is evident in this thread, players only seem to only expect it from their opponents.

Agreed that it sometimes doesn't seem random. The best example I have is that whenever I open an event box near the impressario in Auridon, I'll often receive the same style page I got the day before. It happened enough times (during different events) that I noticed it. I've since stopped opening boxes in Auridon.

But yeah, the RNG in this game is brutal and sometimes feels rigged. It's worse than any game I've ever played, and I've been playing computer games for almost as long as you have (40+ years at this point).

A better example would be lead drops. If you don't own a certain zone or expansion, the leads for that zone drop from the sky like raindrops in a thunderstorm. But as soon as you buy it the leads become very hard to get.

nb_rich wrote: »

You would think spammables used up close would provide damage shields/healing and be stronger than ranged attacks but obviously this is not the case.

And I would hate that if it were the case. Let's not give the entire game training wheels.

Fatecarver is more than the cleave and the damage shield, although those are parts of the same theme I am highlighting. It is about ease of play. It is a simple rotation that is survivable and doesn't require an action every second. It was clearly engineered to be exactly that. It's basically designed to be more engaging than holding lmb.

Furthermore, it has to be competitive with traditional spammables in terms of damage or else ZOS would be back to square one. They've obvious intentionally made other play styles competitive with LA weaving while keeping weaving at the top of the pack.

My biggest nightmare in terms of combat design is all skill being removed from ESO by a fatecarverization of the entire game. Let's not go down that path. We have a decent compromise now. Those who don't want to play it don't have to. If your RL makes you play it, find a different RL or become one yourself.

And it wouldn't change anything in terms of class distribution if they did because a meta would still emerge.

Honestly, what the charts show more than anything else is how accessible vKA HM has become as the game gets easier each update -- especially u46. It's not like pragmatic fatecarver is new. vKA, in general, is a total joke now. Just like the Crags trials.

I disagree that the meta is far superior or even that it's necessarily superior.

ESO's raid scene is SO casual that the practical meta is really shaped around ease of play and not peak performance.

I've been part of several end game communities over the years, and all the others were savage in comparison. Personality didn't matter at all in them, only performance. I remember one top clan I was a member of many years ago in which only a couple of members were actually friends. We tolerated each other because we only wanted to win. We called it a win at all costs culture.

ESO's end game is much different and skewed socially, even on the platforms with a reputation for being toxic.

My favorite zens player is Geldis, and he doesn't seem to even use beam on trash when using a runeblades build. He can perform well with whirling blades. Before U46, I recall strong DKs who could out-parse arcs on trash with deep breath and whirling blades while also being very strong single target.

I was shocked one time pre-U46 when a very talented player top-parsed trash in a trial with a Warden using shalks and force pulse !!

I was away from ESO for a while, but I don't recall a time when there wasn't a main DD class that most wanted to play, even though they didn't really need to. It's a mistake to get too caught up in esologs stats because it will never be balanced, but also because they are more balanced than the stats would seem to indicate.

I'll be happy enough with the banner meta going away, should it actually happen.