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Re: 3 bars of afk & questers in cyrodiil, nice pvp event
YandereGirlfriend wrote: »
Some of my earliest posts on this forum were literally being a salty zergling complaining about not being able to kill skilled 1vX'ers in towers. Rather then being permanently turned-off from PvP because I couldn't get the easy win, however, I took is as a challenge to improve as a player and have been a PvP main player ever since.
Most Ls in PvP genuinely are from being outplayed or outsmarted. It is only the level of one's ego that influences how much one tries to avoid that fact and blame something else.
In this day and age of gaming, this type of reaction is the minority.
Especially now that the gap has gotten so immensely big and time consuming that most people won't bother and just play other games to get their PvP fix that are more accessible and beginner friendly. There are so many PvP games there (lots of them even free) that people just go elsewhere.
Re: DPS makeup of vKA HM runs on ESOlogs, Updates 43-46
You also posted a 170K parse when im talking about real content In real content your not going to stand behind a boss for the entire fight (some enemies you cant get close to), have full health the whole time and not have to move, so majority of parse builds are useless and don't show any real situation. There is no situation in the game fatecarver cannot be used while all other spammables have situations they cant be used.
In real content there is absolutely no upside to using any other spammable besides fatecarver. Why use jabs when fatecarver does more damage, keeps me alive and can be used at range ? Why is surprise attack when fatecarver does more damage to multiple targets, can be used from range and keep me alive ? Why use the skull spammable from necro when you have to aim your cursor at a target, doesnt provide any survivability and does less damage lol ? Oh also keep in mind all those spammables are more difficult to sustain than fatecarver.
Charles plays builds like that in content. Many good players do. Not everyone needs training wheels. Except for the last 3 trials, they were all completed before Fatecarver was a thing.
I play full rotation melee range LA builds in content and it just means I have to pay attention.
Most ESO trial players don't like to pay attention. They like to chat and meme the entire raid. It's the kind of end game community you get when 99.99% of the game is super ezmode.
If one thinks Fatecarver is necessary, they are probably part of its target audience.
I think your still missing the point my friend.
No one is saying anything about not being able to clear content. Im trying to say that there is absolutely no upside to using any spammable outside of fatecarver. No other spammable provides anything that fatecarver does not and no other spammable is better to use in any situation then fatecarver.
This game is also a MMO, if im in a trial I want to talk to others and have fun, not pay attention so much to the point I can’t interact with people im in the trial with. All the fastest times to complete any content in the game now have fatecarver in there set up
That's only partially true. In some of these cases they run the tentacular dread build on bosses and use unstacked fatecarver only in trash.
Re: DPS makeup of vKA HM runs on ESOlogs, Updates 43-46
You also posted a 170K parse when im talking about real content In real content your not going to stand behind a boss for the entire fight (some enemies you cant get close to), have full health the whole time and not have to move, so majority of parse builds are useless and don't show any real situation. There is no situation in the game fatecarver cannot be used while all other spammables have situations they cant be used.
In real content there is absolutely no upside to using any other spammable besides fatecarver. Why use jabs when fatecarver does more damage, keeps me alive and can be used at range ? Why is surprise attack when fatecarver does more damage to multiple targets, can be used from range and keep me alive ? Why use the skull spammable from necro when you have to aim your cursor at a target, doesnt provide any survivability and does less damage lol ? Oh also keep in mind all those spammables are more difficult to sustain than fatecarver.
Charles plays builds like that in content. Many good players do. Not everyone needs training wheels. Except for the last 3 trials, they were all completed before Fatecarver was a thing.
I play full rotation melee range LA builds in content and it just means I have to pay attention.
Most ESO trial players don't like to pay attention. They like to chat and meme the entire raid. It's the kind of end game community you get when 99.99% of the game is super ezmode.
If one thinks Fatecarver is necessary, they are probably part of its target audience.
I think your still missing the point my friend.
No one is saying anything about not being able to clear content. Im trying to say that there is absolutely no upside to using any spammable outside of fatecarver. No other spammable provides anything that fatecarver does not and no other spammable is better to use in any situation then fatecarver.
This game is also a MMO, if im in a trial I want to talk to others and have fun, not pay attention so much to the point I can’t interact with people im in the trial with. All the fastest times to complete any content in the game now have fatecarver in there set up
nb_rich
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Re: DPS makeup of vKA HM runs on ESOlogs, Updates 43-46
YandereGirlfriend wrote: »Arcanist skills are so crazily overloaded.
Fatecarver, in particular, is like the poster child for the, "Staple a bunch of random effects onto this!" design philosophy that has held sway over the game for years now. Less is more.
One skill simply CANNOT have it all. The shield and interrupt immunity needs to go, the damage probably needs to be reduced, but also the target cap needs to be lifted (because targets caps are toxic; this also applies to Jabs).
It's neat that it has its own playstyle that people enjoy but the whole point of a channeled ability is that there is a COMMITMENT COST to taking the action. With a shield and interrupt immunity this simply does not exist. High reward needs to be balanced with high risk.
And then we probably need class AOE DOTs to be massively buffed, as that is the only way, short of adding new skills, that I can think of to increase cleave potential of the other classes. The Maelstrom Staff and like Thunderous Volley provide templates for how this could be achieved, greatly ramping the base damage under particular conditions. So perhaps Lightning Flood, for example, could receive like +1000 base damage (or whatever) against targets that are Concussed or something, etc.
At least you understand what im saying lol.
For massively buffing AOE dots though, I thought the same thing, but on another post someone made a good point to me which was that fatecarver users will still have access to all the skills and passives, so even if we buff AOE dots, fatecarver users will just throw some of those skills in there rotation lol.
Think we need spammables to be heavily buffed across the board, since its way more unlikely fatecarver users will use another spammable with it since people usually need the tentacle arms to generate crux
nb_rich
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Re: 3 bars of afk & questers in cyrodiil, nice pvp event
Thumbless_Bot wrote: »Thumbless_Bot wrote: »Thumbless_Bot wrote: »gj zos.
2 bars on each faction is at cropsford running quests. .5 bar of people who gain a sense of self-esteem by ganking those 2 bars while they're turning in quests in cropsford and .5 bars of the regular pvp crowd sitting on a wall wondering how this is healthy for cyro and pvp in general...
Gj zos..
Yes, shame gankers and questers into repairing walls. How can they not see what PvP is all about?
Not shaming. Just stating facts. These events are aimed at exposing pve players to pvp to drum up sustained interest in pvp. To elaborate on my summary above, it is likely very difficult to be interested in staying and / or returning to something as toxic as what I described above if you aren’t a sweat already.
Zos can't (or won't) fix the issues. Instead they come up with vengeance so three different barbarian hordes can spam limited skills on each other until the math calculation completes and the largest team wins.
This watered down cyro will be fun for two weeks and then everyone, sweats and all, will move on to things that are more interesting, complex and fun.
I don't agree really. No offense intended, but this is just an opinion presented as a fact. Getting ganked while questing is the perfect hero/villain arc starter. These small scale skirmishes with poor gankers were a million times more attractive than the keep grind was for me as a noob. Just as completing quests with a pulse of 180 is something only Cyro and IC offer. For me questing (as a newbie) and ganking was much more straightforward and fun than zerging, ball groups and repairing stuff.
While the game clearly has glaring balancing issues, people playing Cyro wrong is hardly the problem. Zerging and green points just isn't attractive enough to sell the Cyro play style for some, and in the end no one has to login to play for someone elses entertainment. And if I end up in a quester and ganker filled campgain I might even have more fun than in a regular campaign.
Nothing I said was opinion. You are focusing on one very small detail about the motivation of gankers to try and question the actual point of what I was saying. Talk about rabbit hole...
Anyway, there is no world, real world anyway, where the motivation behind repeatedly shooting fish swimming in a barrel is anything other than filling a personal hole so you can feel good about yourself. We can agree to disagree on that. But my point stands.
Pvp is toxic because zos cant make it not toxic. They just cant do it. Zos cannot make pvp fun for new players because they cant remove the toxicity because they dont know enough about pvp to do so. I think this is because they dont care about pvp... this is opinion. I do not think zos employees know how to pvp in eso and make decisions that illustrate this every single release/patch.
I am not just going to let it stand like that. I am not a fan of spelling everything out, but you know the implication is that you get to hunt questers, gankers and/or counter-gankers until you find fun? This neither about shooting fish in a barrel nor about filling holes. This dismissal is just helplessness manifested. Can you find your fun without the need for ZOS to change other peoples behaviours for you?
Vaqual
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Re: Why does Scorch hit for so much damage when it's an AoE that can roll-catch?
MincMincMinc wrote: »sorch is just a vastly better curse.
The only redeeming part is that it missed alot of the time, but now wardens have easy access to multiple stuns that go through block or roll dodge, so ehhhhh. I see people running the charm, streak, javelin all on the same build. Its more common now adays to have stuns that go through counterplay than stuns that don't.
Which is perhaps an argument to have more Blockable Stuns.
Re: Why does Scorch hit for so much damage when it's an AoE that can roll-catch?
MincMincMinc wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »MincMincMinc wrote: »sorch is just a vastly better curse.
The only redeeming part is that it missed alot of the time, but now wardens have easy access to multiple stuns that go through block or roll dodge, so ehhhhh. I see people running the charm, streak, javelin all on the same build. Its more common now adays to have stuns that go through counterplay than stuns that don't.
Which is perhaps an argument to have more Blockable Stuns.
Feels like we are just chasing our tails doesn't it?
Originally more dots used to hit blocking players and the block ticks used to be every 1/8th of a sec instead of 1/4. So permablocking was drastically harder. Smart players would run dot pressure builds with the intention of burning through someones block costs faster. While it didn't make sense roleplay wise why an aoe lightning attack hit someones block, it made more sense game design wise. Not only that, but on the counterplay side for normal builds it made block feel more reliable and worth correctly using.
I remember first coming to this game long ago and LMAO'ing that Block worked without even facing the direction of attack.
That is still quite hilarious on basically every level.
Re: Extremely Low Midyear Mayhem Turnout, Why?
Rohamad_Ali wrote: »They should remove the dead campaigns to shore up the numbers in live ones.
There is something people keep leaving out... yes.. this is hands down the weakest turn out for MYM that I have ever seen..
But the queue is still 2 hours long.. why?!
They either A) lowered the pop cap (which they didn't) or
The afk macro people are a problem.Last night was the 4th night in a row where I spent 1.5-2 hours in queue (I got in queue right after work) only to get into Cyro and... struggle to find fights. The fights you did find were just stupid... the 4 people running circles around trees and rocks, running in towers, etc.
The largest ap tick I've gotten so far was.. 20k? I'm used to 150k ticks in MYM.
There is something going on with this camp. I don't know if there are stale sessions that aren't being cleared @ZOS_Kevin or if the pop somehow got borked between veng and this MYM... it just feels.... way off.
I know priorities are hard to shift and get dev time to look into stuff... but is there any chance we could get a dev just to do a quick once over of the cap/sessions etc and make sure there is nothing going on, Kevin?
LadyGP
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Re: Can we nerf the healer scoring in BGs yet?
ZOS can start by either fixing the medal score bug (at least in deathmatches) where critical heal medals give higher score than intended. The ingame information says it's supposed to reward 5 points each time you score a 10k heal, but for some reason it rewards you with 20 points. So either the medal is bugged or ZOS can't be bothered to display accurate/correct tooltips. This has been bugged for years. I assume it's a bug and not a tooltip/UI error because it makes little sense that such a medal would give more points than the Rapid Recovery (score a 15k heal) one (which works correctly).
@ZOS_Kevin Is this something that you can bring to the devs? Would be nice to have this bug fixed.
@ZOS_Kevin Is this something that you can bring to the devs? Would be nice to have this bug fixed.
Re: Team Play
Not really, as jumping down means they cannot use skills/abilities in mid-air. While at the same time they are open to attack during the fall, and the fall's stagger. People no longer wait til their enemies are on the ground before attacking... which is also why you see players in this thread state they want enemies dropped from their spawnplace, because they can't kill them up there. Henceforth me pointing out sportmanship goes both ways. Enemy players should never be near another group's spawnpoint in the first place. Especially if we talk about sportmanship, which this thread touched upon.HatchetHaro wrote: »The disadvantaged side can just wait for the rest of their team to respawn, group up, then make a coordinated push together, all from the spawn platform. It has been a successful strategy for me any time this happens, and can sometimes turn the tide of the battle.
It's funny actually... in the old days of MMO's this wasn't even an issue. As players would actually let their enemies re-group, and stayed away from their enemy's spawnpoint even if they could easily go there. Staying away from enemy's spawnpoints was common PvP etiquette for many years.
Sportmanship used to go both ways! But as is evident in this thread, players only seem to only expect it from their opponents.
Sarannah
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