ShadowPaladin wrote: »

I don't understand why some people want to get everything in an instant .

Again, misrepresentation of the other parties opinions. No-one said they wanted everything in an instant.

If you can't leave someone's post that they've spend over 4 hours doing dailies, and they thought that was a bit much, for what it is and move on, at least please respond to the statements we actually made. "I want everything right now" is not one of them.

ShadowPaladin wrote: »

ICertainly, those dailies are *Time-consuming Daily Endeavours* IF(!) you are a new player and or have not done the stuff you need to get them done in 15-30min tops.

But what you all seem to forget. Those quests/enceavours aren't for the *NEW* players or the *NEW ACCOUNT* people. They are for the *have been playing for some time* folks. .

Says who? Why are endeavors not for new players, or players on new accounts? That's not 'something we all seem to forget', that's something you made up. If anything, I have less need of seals on my older EU account, since I already collected most of the mounts, costumes, and so on I want over there.

ShadowPaladin wrote: »

Endeavours are forcused on two things - 1) give players a way to earn a currency to get some stuff just by playing the game and 2) give players, who are already leveled, a reason to log into the game and do some stuff, when they reached the end-game (leveled their chars, got SPs and CPs, got motifs & receipts, etc.).

And btw.. If the endeavours are too time consuming to do, especially for 15 endeavours (!!!), I wouldn't do them. Just skip, ignore them. Its less than 100 endeavour marks you loose.

Oh wow, skipping endeavors! What a delightfully novel suggestion! It's not as if I already answered this extensively in post 3 of this page.

Sorry for getting sarcastic, I don’t mean to harp on you specifically, but as you can see, by this point, you’re far from the first to come up with this idea. This tip gets posted dozens of times in every thread where someone dares to express anything other than ecstatic endorsement of the endeavors.

Yes, they’re optional. We know. The whole game, not to mention our whole life, is optional. Doesn’t mean I can’t point out some of the aspects I’m a little less satisfied with while enjoying them as a whole.

Besides, there is a difference between "too time consuming to do" and "more time consuming than I'd like/ had planned for". For me, yesterdays endeavors were an example of the latter, not the first.

I came from the single player TES games and have a focus on roleplaying, stories, lore and exploration.

The main reason I started playing ESO (in February 2016, about 9 months or so before One Tamriel) was that I wanted to see other parts of the fictional world and wanted to experience new stories with a TES lore background. I had played all TES games before that and it wasn't clear when TES6 would be released (and it's somehow unbelievable that it's still unclear now, 9 years later), so ESO looked interesting to look into.

I was really sceptical at first, because I never had any interest in MMOs, but I still decided to try it. And what made me stay was that while it's an MMO, I could still play it more or less like the singleplayer TES games and just experience stories and lore. The writing was good back then, I really enjoyed the base game zones and later Wrothgar, Morrowind, CWC and Summerset. Honestly, what I didn't enjoy much were basically the MMO aspects - like random people jumping around town (which isn't exactly immersive), town npcs just respawning after death, and also the combat. But the stories were interesting and the zones beautiful, so I could just live with that.

Now, with that focus, the factors that influence my interest most are of course the writing quality and the zone or world design. And I understand that people who play for other motivations care for entirely different factors.

When it comes to writing, one thing I often wonder about is why we don't see a return to what we got in the early years. I see polls on this forum (and other ESO-related places) all the time, asking people which chapters or dlcs they enjoyed most. And while everyone has a different taste, of course, it's usually a huge portion of the voters that vote for Morrowind or Summerset. There seems to be a certain consensus among most players that the early years were ESO's golden days in terms of storytelling.

Not sure if a return to that type of writing could renew people's interest (I know many who have lost interest for the stories because they have been disliking the writing style for years now, and many left ESO altogether - and once people leave, it's hard to convince them to return, I think, especially if they've already shifted their interest to something else in the meantime), but in any way, from my point of view, that would be a step in the right direction.

I mostly stayed away from this thread during the years it's been active. I posted only a handful of times to advocate for the harder difficulty being optional or disagree with rewards (leads and such) being removed from public places.

However, all this talk about playing on a new toon with no CP made me finally create one. I have not planned to create any more toons until new class/race is added, but I decided to get my own experience.

I created a new Breton sorc (if I keep this toon beyond testing purposes, it will be a zoo sorc). I did not assign any red/blue CP, only the green ones (because I'm not going to miss on potential mats/furnishing plans just because I'm starting a new toon), did not transfer the customary 100K from my main for starter expenses. I normally do not craft any gear for any new toon until they are about lvl 45, so that did not change. I also decided not to grab a companion right away even though they were created for the purpose of helping to clear mobs.

Went through the tutorial, landed on Stros M'kai, quickly collected 3 skyshards there and went to Glenumbra Harborage to do some more of the Main questline. Once I hit lvl 5, got certifications for crafting, joined the Mages/Fighter's guild for Persuade/Intimidate. At level 7 or 8 went to Glenumbra public dungeon (since it was mentioned recently in this thread). No one was there. I ate the roasted pig food that I created during the certification process then cleared the group event for the skill point, killed all the bosses, did both quests. It took more than the usual 5 min on a new toon with CP and was a bit sluggish, but I was there may be for 10 min. Rescued Lyris from Coldharbor, went to Cyrodiil at lvl 10 to do the tutorial to get Assault rank 3 for mount speed boost.

I stopped yesterday at lvl 11. Will do some guild dailies today.

Bottom line:
I'm not an end game player by any means (I do not do any content harder than some older normal trials with PUGs), but I can see how those player find questing not engaging. So, optional difficulty increase in overland is needed for them.

Personally, I will wait and see what shape and form it will take. Probably will try it when it's released, but I will definitely keep my farming in the normal overland.

EDIT: I forgot to mention the most challenging thing that I encountered - remembering all the settings that I need to change so the controls/game experience are the same as on the older toons. Do we still not have an option to transfer those?

I do not think the game is too easy for the average player.

I started a new character. I did not apply CP to boost his power or combat abilities. I did not create the 'perfect' gear for him with my master crafter. I did not speed level him with guild mates or paid services. When you really play as if a new player, then the game is, indeed, challenging. I would put forth a challenge to those who are saying the game is too easy to try this as well; however, I think they will not do it.

I think the problem is not the level of challenge, but the level of group-related gear. If this gear was restricted to the group dungeons, we would not be having this conversation. If more challenging content was not sugar-coated with higher level gear as rewards, we would not be having this conversation. This is an issue that is self-perpetuating.

If the development of the game sees a veteran tier, those that choose that tier should be required to stay in that tier. (perhaps even account wide) If they really want a challenge, they should be wanting that challenge when playing BG, Cryodiil, dolmen, delves, events, and even if they are collecting resources. If they only want challenges sometimes, then we already have vet content.

Maybe create a 100-floor tower to test how many players actually want a challenge. Start out hard and get more challenging. No groups, no companions, no group-dungeon gear, everyone relies only on their own prowess and what the overland offers. The rewards only benefit the tower fights.

NOTE: One man's opinion, you are not required to agree. I have played the game as long as you.

A few lines of feedback for the Devs:

Is it possible to remove the trespass flag when one is not involved in a quest?

Will you increase the drop rate of Nirncrux resource since it is being farmed heavily, they don't seem to be available to find for players who are playing the game.

Can we have a few more slots on the ignore list and/or the ability to set a time out on an ignore entry? A few players were having an offensive conversation. Someone asked if they would take it to a private chat and was met with insults and aggression. I am sure they are not bad people, but it would be helpful if we could just ignore them for a day so we can continue to use the chat without being subjected to something that is offensive to us but not to others.

If something or someone (foe) is needed for a quest, please place the items in a way that only the questing player can see or pick them up. (Like the psijic nodes maybe?) This way the players that are farming will not interfere with the progress of those that are questing.

While I was playing in Auridon, someone who is not a player of your game was watching for a moment. They commented that the game was 'beautiful.' That was the term they used. It is beautiful in many areas. Is it possible to make a crafting tool that allows us to capture an image and turn it into a panting? I think that would be fun. Maybe make it a part of the woodworking table since paints often have wooden frames.

ESO_player123 wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

disky wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

disky wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

"ESO_player123 wrote:

Leads are one of the ways to entice long term players to revisit old content. Where do you propose to put them instead?

Yes, we want to keep old content fresh.
After leaving a dungeon, I found a lead sparkling on the ground. There were many of these sparkling leads in High Isles. Perhaps more of that.

Just...on the...ground? Look, maybe in rare circumstances, but that sounds so incredibly boring to me. I know there are some people who have no interest in challenge but this is a game, and for a lot of people, most people I believe, a game requires motivation. Leads are a form of motivation. Leaving them on the ground is completely removing one of their primary purposes for existing.

Yes on the ground. Not in easy to find places.
10 for an Alchemy station
10 for a provisioning station
I won't spoil the hunt for others by saying where I found them. There might be more out there that I haven't found yet.

I understand the desire for challenging content. I do not understand what is challenging for a CP2k+ to fight in a delve or public dungeon in the original alliance maps. Creating a new character would bring these folks back to the starter maps. But that seems to be part of the problem. After creating a new character the player wants to instant level them to 50 so they can slap those CPs on it and take it to where ever else they play.

What would you suggest be done to help new players have an enjoyable start to their experience with this game?

Sorry, are you implying that overland is not meant for veteran players? As something of a veteran with about 1700cp, overland is the entire reason I'm here. ESO is a TES game, and TES has always been about what we consider "overland content". So if overland isn't fun, I'm not interested in playing, but I know this game has potential and so here I am campaigning for improvements. I would spend so much more time in ESO if overland were actually challenging enough for me to enjoy.

I don't understand why certain people seem to take this stance, as if overland simply should not be played by vets. It is the essential TES experience in ESO after all. Overland simply needs to be made enjoyable for vets, and I'm sick to death of people saying "go do raids or dungeons" because that's not why I'm here and it's not what TES has ever been about prior to ESO. It's good content for those who want it, but it's only another component of the game, not something that should be an expected and required step along the path. Certainly, there are plenty of people who don't feel it necessary to engage with that content.

With regard to the new player experience, I am not here to discuss that and I'm not sure why you even brought it up. As far as I'm concerned, new players are fine in overland.

I am not implying that overland is not meant for veteran players. When it was written: " I know there are some people who have no interest in challenge but this is a game..." I stated: "I understand the desire for challenging content. I do not understand what is challenging for a CP2k+ to fight in a delve or public dungeon in the [starter zones.]"

I am addressing specific behavior of some players in that level area. Those who's behavior is disrupting the quest progression of other players. I am not saying that some have more rights to play in that area than others. My discussion is looking for a solution to the conflicts not make excuses for any parties behavior or attitude and certainly not looking to determine who has a right to be where.

Let us discuss what can be done to allow lower level players to do that quest without competing with players who are high enough level to one-hit the boss or mobs.

There is no challenge for a CP 2K+ player in a delve of public dungeon. They are there farming for a lead, finishing a daily, completing an endeavor. If you are proposing to removing these reasons, people will simply not return to those places. Why would they?

Actually, this whole thread is about making them more challenging. How ZoS is going to implement that I have no idea. I just hope that it will be optional.

It was my understanding this thread was where we discussed overland content. When I read this, that is what I believed it to mean.
"So, we have made a thread for players who would like to discuss the topic of Overland Content."

The reason people would play in those areas if because they are playing a new character are they are a new player.

I see the problem with making things more challenging: the leveled player wants more challenging content, the content gets more difficult, the players want more compensation, so they get more gear to answer the difficult, then the difficult content isn't difficult anymore so they want content that is more difficult...again. It is a self-perpetuating issue.

I am sure that none want to read those words either. However so, I want to be able to play the game. I would like to play without my activities being interfered with. I will not engage in augments of who has a right to be where because that is not what I wish to discuss here.

Yes, there are dailies in delves. I did an Undaunted this day that sent me to a delve in Stormhaven. When My higher level characters are in lower level areas, I respect the efforts of lower levels. If they are fighting the boss, I wait. If they are fighting a mob, I move past them and fight the next foe target. I have never spawn-camped a boss and allowed my companion to make the kill while I am AFK. I have never sped ahead of a quester to kill the boss before they arrive. I do not take treasures or resources behind someone's back because I can do it fast and they are fighting the foe guarding. If I am traveling through a quest area, I do not wrangle the mobs and one-hit them with an AOE. I kill what attacks me and leave the rest for the questers. Respect.

Since we cannot make players behave well, we should discuss what can be done to reduce the conflicts of interest.
Move the leads topside. Put them in places where there is not questing.
Perhaps put players on cooldown for dark anchors so it doesn't become a stampede from one dolmen to the next.
Dungeon boss can also be set up with a cooldown period.
Make dungeons instances
I believe there are options I have not considered yet.

I am at the point of not bothering with endeavors I find annoying. I see little of interest for sale on the endeavor shop so they are just building up through endeavors that complete due to my doing things I would be doing anyway.

Ok, just confirmed, the potato tent is just to the east of the Grimfield wayshrine on Betnikh. I was able to get 15 loose potatoes. Stand at the wayshrine, look directly east and you can see it. Going there once every day for a week would get you 105 potatoes. You would have 5,475 after a year (5,490 if it's a leap year).