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Re: Dev Team Request: A Top 5 List of Bugs and Pain Points You Would Like Addressed
Is part 3 of this Q&A still going to be delivered? It's been 7 months now, and we were last told on April 21st that it was still in the works.
@ZOS_Kevin
We are still working on this. There have been quite a bit of questions to get through while also supporting U46 PTS and general day to day tasks. But this is still being worked on. We had a chat about this last week around working to get the next round of questions fully answered and translated. No ETA at the moment. We would like to complete some more work on it before confirming a date. That way, we can give you more accurate information.
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Re: Hot Take: The Alliance Hero Costumes Should Be Free For All Players
folder_rats wrote: »theskymoves wrote: »folder_rats wrote: »For those that don't know, earlier in the year ESO did a series of golden pursuit events giving out the various Alliance Hero costumes as seen on the game website and key art and trailers for the game. Some years before this, another variant of these outfit styles were available for purchase in the crown store but were not available for many years. These two ways have been the only path to acquire these sets, and there is no way to acquire them currently.
It is incorrect to say that the three original 'Hero' costumes 'were not available for many years'.
They have appeared in the Crown Store on a fairly regular rotation since introduction.
Breton Hero Armor
Elven Hero Armor
Nord Hero Armor
Those pages list 2021 as the most recent year they were available. That was four dang years ago. And even still, the main armor sets featured in the main marketing of the base game (which you have to pay for to start with) really shouldn't have to be bought with digital currency.
The pages I linked show the costumes as available in April 2025, April 2024, April 2023, and April 2022.
These are the Crown Store Showcase articles since 2019 highlighting the availability of the costumes:
Crown Store Showcase April 2025
Crown Store Showcase April 2024
Crown Store Showcase April 2023
Crown Store Showcase April 2022 (Breton Hero only)
Crown Store Showcase May 2022 (Nord Hero only)
Crown Store Showcase June 2022 (Elven Hero only)
Crown Store Showcase April 2021
Crown Store Showcase April 2020
Crown Store Showcase April 2019
All three costumes have also been available (as recently as June 2024) from Dwarven Crates.
Main BG pain points
Resetting the mmr is just asking for endgame players to farm newer players no contest. Its boring for both sides, I can only waste so many hours sitting in que just to end up in 5 min games where I go 30/0 before I just afk outside enemy spawns during matches because players don't drop down.
EDIT: here's my MMR post:
Different ques separating group, solo, 4v4, and 8v8. You quite literally need an addon to be able to que up for all ques at the same time. Otherwise you will spend 4x the time sitting in que just because the game doesn't have enough players participating in ques. IMO with a functional running mmr system you don't need these different solo/group ques. 4v4 and 8v8 could also be baked together and be more of a preference setting.
Spawning is another major issue where players should spawn in defined waves together to incentivize regrouping. However even if wave spawns artificially regrouped players the next issue is dropping out of spawn breaking up the groups
Dropping out of spawn is a guaranteed death sentence. Typically we could assume the losing team is the one that died and is stuck in spawn. So now the losing team is expected to drop 2-3gcds down into an enemy team that already killed them before? You essentially are starting out a group fight down multiple players and at half health against enemies that already beat you before. ASSUMING the whole team even drops at the same time. Ideally zos changes spawn zones to be at level with the ground through a 1 way wall. This way the hesitant players can stay balled up and trail out of spawn. Many other games do soft walls with turret and heal mechanics protecting the spawns such that they can come back from a loss together. The only game mode where this could be an issue is probably chaos ball, but that could be adjusted to require the chaos ball holder to walk to objective points across the map to turn in the ball instead of camping at their spawn with it.
Incentivizing objectives. It is no secret that players like to pvp to pvp. The problem right now is that objective game modes end the game so fast if you participate. So endgame players who have been in que for 20+ minutes don't want their game to end quickly. It would be better to make the game end after a set time frame like 10 minutes or 15 minutes instead and then give AP or other rewards for completing objectives and scoring the most during the time period.
If other topics come up in discussion I can add them to this original post here
EDIT: here's my MMR post:
ESO is not a competitive game by any means, so you first need to make a simple functional MMR system that is actually implementable before talking about the combat aspects. Because there shouldn't be 8v8 or 4v4 or 4v4v4 games where new pvp players ever fight someone with 5000+ hours of pvp. We shouldn't have to reset mmr for any reason.
There are really only 2 main metrics that should matter for MMR. One being your K/D/A and another being your Healing. The next question is should these be character or account bound?
We all know the leaderboard is pointless, the bg "score" means nothing. I honestly don't even know how to see the leaderboard, havent cared since the first week bgs came out. Just delete it entirely or completely separate it from the MMR system. We should not be resetting the MMR system because of the leaderboard rewards. Zos doesn't have the time or knowledge to make a more complicated system that other competitive games can tailor on FAR less complicated combat systems.
Having a functional MMR system and ranking system could setup ESO for some crazy features. Quite a few mmos have Moba style matches where you have longer format games of 20-30mins with pvp and pve aspects to win. Its content that literally writes itself and keeps people logged in the game. Without having to inflate player numbers with fake daily writ logins.
There are really only 2 main metrics that should matter for MMR. One being your K/D/A and another being your Healing. The next question is should these be character or account bound?
- K/D/A should probably be account bound as it will signify if someone is a higher tier player or not over time. If someone is repeatedly going 40/0/15, they should be bumped up. The KDA of a match signifies whether you should be bumped up or down the ladder value. New characters would place you on your account mmr but not raise your account mmr until you match the previous value. You can split up the ladder value wise however you like. This is where you could make ranks like bronze/silver/gold/platinum/diamond.....People LIVE for achieving these titles in games.
- Healing mmr should be character bound. At least in this case games could pair different teams with players who tend to play healer. I can't think of another simple way of balancing out healers. The problem comes when a character switches builds. Perhaps simply save the last match's healing data for the next que. So after the overall match is paired up from KDA you would then sort the teams based on the healing mmr variable saved. Now healers don't exactly get kills, so you would also need to make a system to determine who is a healer and then weigh their kills and assists oppositely.
We all know the leaderboard is pointless, the bg "score" means nothing. I honestly don't even know how to see the leaderboard, havent cared since the first week bgs came out. Just delete it entirely or completely separate it from the MMR system. We should not be resetting the MMR system because of the leaderboard rewards. Zos doesn't have the time or knowledge to make a more complicated system that other competitive games can tailor on FAR less complicated combat systems.
Having a functional MMR system and ranking system could setup ESO for some crazy features. Quite a few mmos have Moba style matches where you have longer format games of 20-30mins with pvp and pve aspects to win. Its content that literally writes itself and keeps people logged in the game. Without having to inflate player numbers with fake daily writ logins.
Different ques separating group, solo, 4v4, and 8v8. You quite literally need an addon to be able to que up for all ques at the same time. Otherwise you will spend 4x the time sitting in que just because the game doesn't have enough players participating in ques. IMO with a functional running mmr system you don't need these different solo/group ques. 4v4 and 8v8 could also be baked together and be more of a preference setting.
Spawning is another major issue where players should spawn in defined waves together to incentivize regrouping. However even if wave spawns artificially regrouped players the next issue is dropping out of spawn breaking up the groups
Dropping out of spawn is a guaranteed death sentence. Typically we could assume the losing team is the one that died and is stuck in spawn. So now the losing team is expected to drop 2-3gcds down into an enemy team that already killed them before? You essentially are starting out a group fight down multiple players and at half health against enemies that already beat you before. ASSUMING the whole team even drops at the same time. Ideally zos changes spawn zones to be at level with the ground through a 1 way wall. This way the hesitant players can stay balled up and trail out of spawn. Many other games do soft walls with turret and heal mechanics protecting the spawns such that they can come back from a loss together. The only game mode where this could be an issue is probably chaos ball, but that could be adjusted to require the chaos ball holder to walk to objective points across the map to turn in the ball instead of camping at their spawn with it.
Incentivizing objectives. It is no secret that players like to pvp to pvp. The problem right now is that objective game modes end the game so fast if you participate. So endgame players who have been in que for 20+ minutes don't want their game to end quickly. It would be better to make the game end after a set time frame like 10 minutes or 15 minutes instead and then give AP or other rewards for completing objectives and scoring the most during the time period.
If other topics come up in discussion I can add them to this original post here
Re: Necromancer summons are still bugged in PTS 11.1.3 despite the Flame Skull bug fix.
Updating to say the issue persists on PTS 11.1.4. and it has been 66 days since ZOS said anything about it (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/678437/surprise-surprise-blastbones-and-animate-blastbones-ulti-are-unusable-in-pvp-now#latest)
Re: Necromancer summons are still bugged in PTS 11.1.3 despite the Flame Skull bug fix.
fix necros please
Re: Boring patch again?
Reliable source please for the: "you lost about 60% of your community?" quote!
Re: Your Play Experience b/t Update 45 and Update 46 with Subclassing and Scribing In Base Game
I do want to make another anecdotal observation I've had in the weeks since U46's release.
I run content with two main types of players - the sweaty high-end DLC trial HM crowd, and the much more casual social guild running standard vets and dipping their toes into some dungeon HMs.
As to subclassing: the high-end players all go directly into it and build to the meta because their goal is to get content done faster. The other group mostly has kept their builds the same; either they like their characters the way they are, or they built based on a character lore, or whatever.
What I've seen is that the damage of the high-end (who do subclass, and specifically go for the meta) has exponentially increased. The more casual end... has mostly gone down. They're not getting to the damage level they had even before Subclassing was a thing due to individual line nerfs, and their goal is not to be forced to Subclass for personal reasons, which means their efficacy has backslid.
This means the gap between the mid-level and high-level players is only increasing. Sure, you have some from the mid-level who are trying to get into the high end by picking "the right" lines, but for anyone who really wants to "play the way you want," they're barely able to be at the point they were at before the patch.
I also want to address the "buff, don't nerf" idea. Yes, nerfs are never fun, and U35 was a major problem because of all the nerfs (which again the high-end players quickly bounced back from, but the mid-level players were kneecapped and struggled to build back up from there). However, a power infusion of over 50% is ridiculous. It should simply not be possible for some of the apex-tier strategies to be possible, like how they can skip a majority of HM mechanics just by doing more damage.
I don't know how possible it is for ZOS to specifically "raise the floor and lower the ceiling," since that's been the stated goal every time and every time it only seems to do the opposite. But the levels of damage right now are nothing short of ridiculous. We already know that barely any players anymore have ever even seen Lunar in MoL, and now we're going to be getting to a point where trials like vDSR are like "Taleria bridges? What's that?"
I run content with two main types of players - the sweaty high-end DLC trial HM crowd, and the much more casual social guild running standard vets and dipping their toes into some dungeon HMs.
As to subclassing: the high-end players all go directly into it and build to the meta because their goal is to get content done faster. The other group mostly has kept their builds the same; either they like their characters the way they are, or they built based on a character lore, or whatever.
What I've seen is that the damage of the high-end (who do subclass, and specifically go for the meta) has exponentially increased. The more casual end... has mostly gone down. They're not getting to the damage level they had even before Subclassing was a thing due to individual line nerfs, and their goal is not to be forced to Subclass for personal reasons, which means their efficacy has backslid.
This means the gap between the mid-level and high-level players is only increasing. Sure, you have some from the mid-level who are trying to get into the high end by picking "the right" lines, but for anyone who really wants to "play the way you want," they're barely able to be at the point they were at before the patch.
I also want to address the "buff, don't nerf" idea. Yes, nerfs are never fun, and U35 was a major problem because of all the nerfs (which again the high-end players quickly bounced back from, but the mid-level players were kneecapped and struggled to build back up from there). However, a power infusion of over 50% is ridiculous. It should simply not be possible for some of the apex-tier strategies to be possible, like how they can skip a majority of HM mechanics just by doing more damage.
I don't know how possible it is for ZOS to specifically "raise the floor and lower the ceiling," since that's been the stated goal every time and every time it only seems to do the opposite. But the levels of damage right now are nothing short of ridiculous. We already know that barely any players anymore have ever even seen Lunar in MoL, and now we're going to be getting to a point where trials like vDSR are like "Taleria bridges? What's that?"
Re: "I bet you could spare a coin"
Yes, I'm well aware that I can imagine whatever I choose.
My point, which maybe I should have spelt out more clearly instead of wrapping it in a little RP, is that ZOS goes to the trouble to not only place these npcs in the world, but also give them voice acted dialogue. Yet, they don't allow us to interact with them in the world other than pick pocketing or murder.
I think it would be nice if we could interact with a little kindness, instead of the cruelty of robbing or murdering the poor.
My point, which maybe I should have spelt out more clearly instead of wrapping it in a little RP, is that ZOS goes to the trouble to not only place these npcs in the world, but also give them voice acted dialogue. Yet, they don't allow us to interact with them in the world other than pick pocketing or murder.
I think it would be nice if we could interact with a little kindness, instead of the cruelty of robbing or murdering the poor.
Onomog
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Re: Boring patch again?
For years we've had huge changes every 3 months - no, thanks.
The playerbase was tired and made it clear. Devs reacted accordingly and the past 2 years have been easier on us.
Personally I don't want to come back to dramatic changes every 3 months, I very much prefer as it is now.
The problem is that hardly anyone asked for the huge changes that they used to make every 3 months. I don't think people would mind good changes. It's unfortunate that they only stopped making these rapid changes once the game was in a pretty rough state. Now that serious change is desperately needed, we don't get it.
If they decided to stop making dramatic and rapid changes around early 2017, I don't think there would be many complaints. After Homestead, all they really needed to do was tone down heavy armor and procs a bit more than they already did that patch. Instead, they went way off the rails out of nowhere.
Stamicka
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Re: Main BG pain points
Three-teams BGs could be balanced by placing one or two BG regulars per team and filling the rest of the slots with newcomers. You could easily create matches with extremely high probability of being fun for everyone, regardless of skill level. Doing the exact same thing in two-teams BGs just doesn't have the same result. Here's why:
- Since you can't use one team against another anymore, its difficult for BG regulars to engage each other without discarding everything they know about positioning and target selection.
- The most extreme form of anti-gaming imaginable is a thousand times easier now.
- Spawncamping is encouraged by the two-sided format itself in every gamemode.
- People just give up a lot sooner because they can no longer fight for second place.
The only solution I have to these game-breaking problems is to go back to the three-teams format. Can anyone here help me find another?
This would be another example of how stopping the MMR resets would allow players to be separated based on something resembling skill.
Old BGs seemed fairer (even they were often lopsided) because the MMR degraded very slowly. After getting a character to max MMR tier you could not play them for months, and when you returned to it, you would still be in the highest tier MMR.
Now the MMR system isn't perfect. Even in the old BGs it would grab players who arent necessarily good, but who were playing a lot of games, and it would place them in a ranking higher than they probably should be in... but having seen the alternative of basically having no MMR for the majority of the month after each reset, we can see that the MMR sytem we had was better than nothing.
ruskiii
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