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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
Tested the Master Class on PTS for the Scor.
Used a solo Oakensoul lighting HA type build (the only type of builds I play).
Got 42k on non trial and 75 on trail.
Used the two options for more DPS. First impression for this type of build is that its ok.
Not bad, but not great either.
Without more DPS or unity like Breach being part of the pure class, its not enough to make me want to give up sub-classing. For example for my solo oakensoul HA builds, the Warden line with animal for Breach (deep fisher) is just too hard not to take. This is extra important for Oakensoul solo HA builds I play.
The scor pure class option with the adding lightning dps attack (Static Reverberation) would be an honest temptation for me to give up subcalssing, if it was AOE an did minor breach for a few seconds.
Also there could be optoins in the Master class for 10 or 15% increase to HA attacks to make it more attractive to Oakensoul players.
Also the my Oakensoul HA lighting builds seem weaker on the PTS?
Empower got hit with the "damage done to monsters" nerf super hard, so yes, all HA builds are currently noticabily weaker on PTS
Tannus15
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Re: Does anyone object to getting rid of CHARM completely?
Yes. Stop taking away or nerfing skills, equipment and gear on our characters. There is already an update to it going on in the pts. These types of things are what has broken PvP. There are more of them than I can count. Anyone who is not a pure class should not have access to class mastery at all. They are not a class. That needs to be looked into first. The same thing applies with class sets, it should only apply to pure class so it cannot be exploited by Subclass. Also, the character refreshes are not complete either. Putting a temporary bandaid on these things is a problem, not a solution.
Re: Should Female Werewolves Have Small Chest Bumps?
If they're currently nursing werepuppies, then 6, otherwise none. Though if they're too big, wouldn't they need a bra 3 bras so it doesn't hurt while running?
Syldras
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Re: A social issue people are reluctant to bring up
Well, if a player who is perma-banned buys the game again and creates a new account, then there isn't anything ZOS can do until that new account is reported enough and is determined to deserve another perma-ban. That's how it's always worked.
Yup I think there was a cereal cheater or exploiter in Cyrodiil, that was a YouTuber and went through dozens of accounts. It sounds like the person has issues if they're going through that many accounts.
As for not using chat, I do this too partially. I use a controller on pc, the quick chat is quite limited. Not seeing zone chat is a good thing. Now that can be toxic and just strange at times.
I was doing Scriveners and black gem foundry last night. I could tell a DPS didn't know mechs so I had to break out my keyboard, and tried to explain mechs. Scriveners was not fun, the guy blew us up 12 times and wiped us at last phase. I didn't tell him he was bad, I just made a note and moved on.
Re: Lack of communication regarding Eidetic Memory Books bugs
Hey all! We are actively looking at the places where these issues have been reported, and are hitting the fixes as time allows. You'll see the first round in our U50 PTS patch notes.
We are also considering a systemic solve to make it easier for players to access these post-quest, but that tool hasn't been built yet. I would strongly, strongly recommend that when you encounter these issues in-game that you use /bug. This gives us better info on how to track them down/resolve.
We are also considering a systemic solve to make it easier for players to access these post-quest, but that tool hasn't been built yet. I would strongly, strongly recommend that when you encounter these issues in-game that you use /bug. This gives us better info on how to track them down/resolve.
ZOS_Kira
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Re: Do you think ZOS has abandoned Grey Host?
I fully understand the performance issues... hardware limitations... lag from skills/sets.. I fully get that.
ZoS has put a TON of effort behind trying to solve this issue (you can argue alot here and nit pick but we are were we are and bringing up the past doesn't help anyone).. but lag is an issue and will be an issue for here on out.
What I would LOVE to see is a mindset similar to this moving forward:
"We understand that not everyone enjoys the trimmed down PvP that veng provides but realisticly we can't remove 100% of lag from Grayhost during prime time. In an effort to revamp/make Grayhost feel like a new and exciting experience we are going to do the following
- New and interesting siege weapons
- Brining back destructale towers
- Giving DC the chance to FINALLY have their own bridge fights
- Small tweaks to keeps (layours, furniture, landscape)
- and more to come"
Grayhost has been the same for soooooo long now. While the studiop is scaling down I understand that a full map rework is out of the question but I hope they still have the resources to add new things.
Exmaple:
Imagine if they added a new siege mechanic that was a ladder. You could go up to a keep and put a ladder up. It takes x about of time to setup and x amount of time to climb. Make it so oils can be poured on them as people climb up or make some other type of counter siege.
- Yes I am aware there are things that have to be thought out about this... how do you keep people from just bypassing all of the keep walls and flipping flags etc - hence the... small keep rework comment.
Another example could be maybe a different ram version that is a trojan hourse. People can get inside the horse and it can ram the front door. They don't take dmg from oils while in it but it would be slower to take down a door than a typical ram and have a much longer setup time.
Just throwing some ideas out there... there are a ton of ways to make cyrodiil interesting again without adding new skills/sets/hammer that have a big impact on performance.
I'd love to see Zos giving the devs some room to experiement... put some ideas on ptr.. and see what happens.
Also, I'd love it if DC finally had our own bridge so we could have a bridge fight. Those fights are some of the most fun I've ever had in a pvp game and I hate that DC only gets a good bridge fight 1 or two times a year.
Anyways, ZoS has been cooking lately... let the devs keep cooking please! I'm seeing a ton of old faces come back to the game and it's awesome to see.
ZoS has put a TON of effort behind trying to solve this issue (you can argue alot here and nit pick but we are were we are and bringing up the past doesn't help anyone).. but lag is an issue and will be an issue for here on out.
What I would LOVE to see is a mindset similar to this moving forward:
"We understand that not everyone enjoys the trimmed down PvP that veng provides but realisticly we can't remove 100% of lag from Grayhost during prime time. In an effort to revamp/make Grayhost feel like a new and exciting experience we are going to do the following
- New and interesting siege weapons
- Brining back destructale towers
- Giving DC the chance to FINALLY have their own bridge fights
- Small tweaks to keeps (layours, furniture, landscape)
- and more to come"
Grayhost has been the same for soooooo long now. While the studiop is scaling down I understand that a full map rework is out of the question but I hope they still have the resources to add new things.
Exmaple:
Imagine if they added a new siege mechanic that was a ladder. You could go up to a keep and put a ladder up. It takes x about of time to setup and x amount of time to climb. Make it so oils can be poured on them as people climb up or make some other type of counter siege.
- Yes I am aware there are things that have to be thought out about this... how do you keep people from just bypassing all of the keep walls and flipping flags etc - hence the... small keep rework comment.
Another example could be maybe a different ram version that is a trojan hourse. People can get inside the horse and it can ram the front door. They don't take dmg from oils while in it but it would be slower to take down a door than a typical ram and have a much longer setup time.
Just throwing some ideas out there... there are a ton of ways to make cyrodiil interesting again without adding new skills/sets/hammer that have a big impact on performance.
I'd love to see Zos giving the devs some room to experiement... put some ideas on ptr.. and see what happens.
Also, I'd love it if DC finally had our own bridge so we could have a bridge fight. Those fights are some of the most fun I've ever had in a pvp game and I hate that DC only gets a good bridge fight 1 or two times a year.
Anyways, ZoS has been cooking lately... let the devs keep cooking please! I'm seeing a ton of old faces come back to the game and it's awesome to see.
LadyGP
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Re: Update 50 PTS – Week 1 Summary
Ketryellowynne wrote: »
Let’s please address the elephant in the room. Healers. Supports, yes, but then you didn’t need to say tanks as well. Keep healers relevant.
For class passives specifically make something for every class that is determined by overheal (not heal). Reading the passives as they have existed to this point makes me terrified that you will end up writing healers as a role out of optimized end game entirely. We already see it in dungeons and arenas, running 3 DPS and a tank because “why would we run a healer if DDs can self-sustain and then we get more damage”? We already see it in current end game optimization where it’s common to run 1 heal, 1 tank.
My concern is that as DDs become more self sufficient and less necessity is placed on healing as a concept, end game groups will eliminate healers entirely because everything they provide can be provided equally as well by a support DD with 1 or 2 heals if necessary.
Example: Major Courage. As a very important buff, this has probably been the single most important thing for keeping healers relevant in the game since the best source (SPC) procs on overheal for 12 party members, no cooldown, potential 100% uptime with someone who plays it well enough. Adding this buff to a single skill on a werewolf is an enormous slap in the face. Where there aren’t specific heal checks, an optimized team can run a werewolf for Major courage instead of a healer at all. While this hasn’t been an issue previously (people choosing banners or Zenas, or soul burst or Yolna for minor courage instead of a werewolf in group), that was because it would be a net loss of damage to run a werewolf. In this case, with the emotional support doggo replacing the healer, it ends up a net increase rather than loss, assuming other buffs can still be sourced elsewhere.
Currently, the only buff that can only be sourced through healing is minor toughness. With Major courage more easily sourceable outside of healing, there becomes very few reasons to run a designated healer as opposed to only running support DDs in much optimized 12 man content.
KEEP HEALERS RELEVANT.
The class passives are an excellent opportunity to do this, but only if you model them with this in mind rather than just your damage or even just supports as a whole. Make a reason for a healer to be there instead of removing the existing ones.
(Edited for autocorrect sabotaging spelling)
I understand what you're talking about, as someone who used to enjoy playing healer until they were basically made worthless in everything but content I'm not welcome in (HM vet trials basically lol).
BUT please remember that werewolf never gets to go into these fights either, and it'd be sad to see that stripped away. I know you're asking for more options, but I'd be worried about the devs seeing this as a reason to take Major Courage away from werewolf instead, which would be very sad.
It's true that healers need more relevancy though, it's my favorite role, or used to be. Now I'm more of a tank player in group content because people just don't want a healer anymore, and I protested that shift before with no success and now it's only worse.
coop500
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Re: Good DK buff
I was surprised DK even received Class Mastery at this moment, powerful ones at that, since the intention was for non-reworked classes to make due until their own remaster?
It's disgustingly overpowered. DK on the live server already has excellent burst with Heart of Flame + Incinerate + Shattering Rocks + Whip. DK on the PTS is another level of power with class masteries. Wildfire passive gives so much extra pressure along with Pyrebrand, constituting a build that has insane burst and pressure capabilities.
While the burst combo is predictable as it's identical to the live server's, the addition of ~2.5-3k extra DPS from stacking multiple instances of DoT effects is what made DK so broken on the PTS. You're not just trying to avoid the actual burst combo, you're trying to survive against 10-15 instances of damage that can proc in 1 second, creating a pseudo "burst" on top. This pseudo "burst" is hard to counter unless you have some form of cleanse, and even then, it's not always guaranteed because sets like Mara's Balm have a long cooldown, and cleanse abilities are both expensive and ineffective at removing all of these debuffs.
The only 2 reliable ways to survive and hopefully beat PTS DK are to either outparse them (on WW, another DK, or similarly high DPS builds) or stack insane amounts of healing. Not many classes can do both at the same time.
hoangdz
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Re: Sorc pet hate has to stop
I have a strong suspicion that Pets are going to receive a total overhaul with the class reworks.
ZOS made a point last year to talk about how bad corpses (and thus pets, since they are the same thing in terms of the server calculations) were for the server.
Additionally, mosy pets function completely differently in Vengeance Cyrodiil.
I have a feeling a lot of the pets are going to shift on the backend towards things like Icy Conjuror, where there is a "pet-like visual" but they function almost identically to normal DoTs/HoTs/etc.
ZOS made a point last year to talk about how bad corpses (and thus pets, since they are the same thing in terms of the server calculations) were for the server.
Additionally, mosy pets function completely differently in Vengeance Cyrodiil.
I have a feeling a lot of the pets are going to shift on the backend towards things like Icy Conjuror, where there is a "pet-like visual" but they function almost identically to normal DoTs/HoTs/etc.
Re: Sorc pet hate has to stop
I love this idea, and would love it even more if the Conjuration skill line was PvE only. Targetable NPC pets in PvP have never been anything but oppressively busted, or totally useless.birdmann1230 wrote: »Put pets as a world line Conjuration and change Daedric summoning to something else on the sorc. Everyone gets their pets who wants them and the sorc isn’t handicapped by it. I wish for the day my main can run a high dps in content without them instead of beam spamming.
xylena
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