aleksandr_ESO wrote: »

If the tasks are retroactive, they will be completed immediately by most players.

What’s wrong with that?

darkriketz wrote: »

NeuroticPixels wrote: »

aleksandr_ESO wrote: »

If the tasks are retroactive, they will be completed immediately by most players.

What’s wrong with that?

It's supposed to be a challenge. A challenge must be challenging.
If you complete the Golden Pursuit right after they begin ingame because you already did the Scribing questline with your whatever-number-of-toons, then what's the point in creating a challenge in the first place ? ZoS would save some time by just granting rewards to anyone has completed the Scribing questline (spoiler alert : this questline already grants its own rewards) and promise it to players who still need/want to do it at their pace.

Let's stop creating challenging and engaging events, after all everything we need is ZoS filling a checklist of ingame accomplishments and randomly rewarding players for no reason >_>

Did ZOS use the word “challenging” anywhere? Genuinely curious. I can’t recall. I see “activities” used all over the Scribing GP announcement, but nothing about a “challenge.”

Golden Pursuits are a list of tasks. They give people a checklist of things to do to give a sense of accomplishment (with the resultant dopamine hit) alongside any in-game rewards. If they are meant to be challenging, I can’t say they come anywhere close to succeeding in that for me.

There is nothing I find the least bit challenging about looting a reward satchel or a resource node for ink, or doing daily writs for quests, or completing the specific quests listed in the GP. And that’s fine — because to the best of my understanding that is not the intent here.

The problems arise when there is a list of tasks to check off and having already completed them in a way that makes them unrepeatable means being locked out of it. We get our options narrowed because we previously did a thing being asked of us now and now can’t get credit. Personally I have no problem getting 10 more ink (especially when 9 count from the reward track), no matter having had 400 collected already. Getting 10 ink is eminently doable this GP. I have a problem with “claim Scribing from the crown store” being literally impossible for some accounts because it is already claimed. That should be an easy check and still leaves us plenty to do. It is the opposite of a “random” reward — it is recognizing that we already completed the objective and *cannot do so again* due to the coding of the game.

Being asked to do something that some of us literally cannot do because we already paid for Scribing is an issue for me. To be clear, I have no problem with Scribing being free now. I am very happy people are getting access. I am having a lot of fun watching guildmates and friends explore this as a new system for the first time. But I am in the position of having paid to claim Scribing via Gold Road and now cannot claim it from the Crown Store because it says it was already claimed. It is an extremely odd decision to me to tell people that they can’t get credit for what they paid for while people who didn’t pay can get credit. Rewarding players new to Scribing is absolutely fine — excluding players not new to it is not. And that’s a systemic feeling far beyond this one GP.

The CP tree does not fundamentally alter gameplay in the manner that subclassing does. Subclassing isn't like different sets or CP becoming meta. Those are passive bonuses. It isn't even like the jabs change, which I also didn't like, because that was a single skill that had significant but ultimately minor adjustments in the grand scheme of things. The rhythm is different but ultimately you're still taking a spear and jabbing enemies multiple times for AOE damage (and possibly healing). This change drastically alters the core gameplay loop for every class that engages in it. I don't think there's any change to the game as drastic as this one, personally.

I think the devs should balance for and expect that some people would want to keep the core gameplay loops that they have enjoyed for the past 10 years.

Desiato wrote: »

. Major changes happen. The best thing to do is express one's feedback and if it's not heeded, get on with it, one way or another. Encumbering oneself with video game baggage is a waste of time and energy.

I feel like this argument is projecting a bit. People can experience something that annoys them. Express that feeling. Still be mildly annoyed on the rare occasion that it comes up. But then go about their lives completely unencumbered and without carrying any baggage.

This is literally a feed back forum specifically for capturing player sentiment about the game so ofc commentary is focused on it.

This really doesn’t change much.

By making this the only benefit to pureclassing, this requires
- pureclass players to run a Scribed ability
- them to be unable to run a different Script

In short, this is essentially a zero benefit, and essentially means you still have no real choice in pureclassing since you’re forced to run something you likely don’t already.

What should be done is an adjustment to the passives. The easy answer is to buff damage/armor/healing/etc by X% per original Class line you have, or debuff the same by X% per Subclassed line. A bit more involved but likely better solution would be to specifically adjust passives that way. I like the idea of making every passive into 3 levels instead of two like they are, but players can only purchase the level of passives based on how many lines they have of their parent Class. That does still mean you can take a Subclass line for its passives, but you would then need to see if the benefit of getting that passive was worth losing access to higher levels of other passives as well.

THE SUB-CLASSING is fun, but it destroys the Armoury Stations use!! Wanted to go into a dungeon as a Tank, so into Armoury station load in my Tank, Not a problem, just like always. But now I have no Subclassing, and to get it back will cost 1500 Gold... Bit of a disappointment here

"forced"

Casual player here (as in I don't partake in Veteran difficulty content or PvP 24/7), I'm not bothered with the changes.