Maintenance for the week of September 8:
• PC/Mac: No maintenance – September 8
• PC/Mac: EU megaserver for maintenance – September 9, 22:00 UTC (6:00PM EDT) - September 10, 16:00 UTC (12:00PM EDT) https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/682784
• PC/Mac: No maintenance – September 8
• PC/Mac: EU megaserver for maintenance – September 9, 22:00 UTC (6:00PM EDT) - September 10, 16:00 UTC (12:00PM EDT) https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/682784
Why aren’t Golden Pursuits tasks related to scribing retroactive?
Imperial_Archmage
✭✭✭✭
Endeavors and Golden Pursuits are already some of the most tedious chores players are forced to do so when we have a situation where players who have already completed these tasks, and paid for the privilege, are being actively punished for it simply because the developers couldn’t be bothered to make them retroactive it’s incredibly frustrating.
It is also disrespectful of the players’ time and I for one have decided to call attention to these questionable decisions whenever they adversely impact me. I wholeheartedly urge others to do the same because if we don’t voice our displeasure nothing is ever going to change and the gaming industry will continue to treat us as nothing more than moneybags!
It is also disrespectful of the players’ time and I for one have decided to call attention to these questionable decisions whenever they adversely impact me. I wholeheartedly urge others to do the same because if we don’t voice our displeasure nothing is ever going to change and the gaming industry will continue to treat us as nothing more than moneybags!
8
-
Erickson9610✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭These tasks don't need to be retroactive because all of the rewards can be earned without completing those tasks.
It's not that big of a deal, honestly.PC/NA — Lone Werewolf, the EP Templar Khajiit Werewolf
Werewolf Should be Allowed to Sneak
Please give us Werewolf Skill Styles (for customizing our fur color), Grimoires/Scribing skills (to fill in the holes in our builds), and Companions (to transform with).20 -
DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I finished in less than 3 hours without breaking a sweat for something that had a time limit of 28 days. And the first two of those hours I wasted just frittering around.
A player brand new to scribing would have to complete those quest objectives that I was able to leave alone. Which would have taken them hours if not a full gaming session to complete. And then they'd still have more objectives to complete to earn the capstone reward.
Explain to me why I should feel as if I were being punished? Cuz from where I'm sitting, vets to scribing got it pretty easy!
[edit] Oh yeah forgot the topic.. When have GP's ever had retroactively completed objectives?Edited by DenverRalphy on 12 July 2025 03:558 -
Renato90085✭✭✭✭✭you can skip they and still got all reward , they more like give first time have scrible palyers ,because they forced play very long and boring scrible quest..like we 1 years ago0 -
aleksandr_ESO✭✭✭✭If the tasks are retroactive, they will be completed immediately by most players.
1 -
NeuroticPixels✭✭✭✭✭aleksandr_ESO wrote: »If the tasks are retroactive, they will be completed immediately by most players.
What’s wrong with that?Check out the ReShade I made: Crispy Sharpness10 -
darkriketz✭✭✭NeuroticPixels wrote: »aleksandr_ESO wrote: »If the tasks are retroactive, they will be completed immediately by most players.
What’s wrong with that?
It's supposed to be a challenge. A challenge must be challenging.
If you complete the Golden Pursuit right after they begin ingame because you already did the Scribing questline with your whatever-number-of-toons, then what's the point in creating a challenge in the first place ? ZoS would save some time by just granting rewards to anyone has completed the Scribing questline (spoiler alert : this questline already grants its own rewards) and promise it to players who still need/want to do it at their pace.
Let's stop creating challenging and engaging events, after all everything we need is ZoS filling a checklist of ingame accomplishments and randomly rewarding players for no reason >_>3 -
Renato90085✭✭✭✭✭aleksandr_ESO wrote: »If the tasks are retroactive, they will be completed immediately by most players.
like they add any class/craft Achievement?
i mean ,why not if you done very long ago
when subclass add,i gust log in my all class toon and auto unlock all skill line
if we need re training all class lv 50 2 time this will a big trouble for zos...0 -
Abelon✭✭✭✭✭Renato90085 wrote: »aleksandr_ESO wrote: »If the tasks are retroactive, they will be completed immediately by most players.
like they add any class/craft Achievement?
i mean ,why not if you done very long ago
when subclass add,i gust log in my all class toon and auto unlock all skill line
if we need re training all class lv 50 2 time this will a big trouble for zos...
I think you're confused on how subclassing works. You didn't auto unlock anything. There is nothing to unlock. Everybody has access to all the purchased skill lines by default. A brand new player creating a brand new character has access to all the lines by default. You do need to level any skill line you pick up though, they don't get leveled just because subclassing got added. Or maybe I just don't understand what you wrote, because it's kind of confusing.
And achievements don't actually give you anything, nor do they unlock anything, so the comparison doesn't work. When you log in on an alt, and see that they too have an achievement, there's literally no tangible difference whatsoever, your alt doesn't really get anything. With Golden Pursuits it's obviously a different matter, you actively get rewards.0 -
virtus753✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭darkriketz wrote: »NeuroticPixels wrote: »aleksandr_ESO wrote: »If the tasks are retroactive, they will be completed immediately by most players.
What’s wrong with that?
It's supposed to be a challenge. A challenge must be challenging.
If you complete the Golden Pursuit right after they begin ingame because you already did the Scribing questline with your whatever-number-of-toons, then what's the point in creating a challenge in the first place ? ZoS would save some time by just granting rewards to anyone has completed the Scribing questline (spoiler alert : this questline already grants its own rewards) and promise it to players who still need/want to do it at their pace.
Let's stop creating challenging and engaging events, after all everything we need is ZoS filling a checklist of ingame accomplishments and randomly rewarding players for no reason >_>
Did ZOS use the word “challenging” anywhere? Genuinely curious. I can’t recall. I see “activities” used all over the Scribing GP announcement, but nothing about a “challenge.”
Golden Pursuits are a list of tasks. They give people a checklist of things to do to give a sense of accomplishment (with the resultant dopamine hit) alongside any in-game rewards. If they are meant to be challenging, I can’t say they come anywhere close to succeeding in that for me.
There is nothing I find the least bit challenging about looting a reward satchel or a resource node for ink, or doing daily writs for quests, or completing the specific quests listed in the GP. And that’s fine — because to the best of my understanding that is not the intent here.
The problems arise when there is a list of tasks to check off and having already completed them in a way that makes them unrepeatable means being locked out of it. We get our options narrowed because we previously did a thing being asked of us now and now can’t get credit. Personally I have no problem getting 10 more ink (especially when 9 count from the reward track), no matter having had 400 collected already. Getting 10 ink is eminently doable this GP. I have a problem with “claim Scribing from the crown store” being literally impossible for some accounts because it is already claimed. That should be an easy check and still leaves us plenty to do. It is the opposite of a “random” reward — it is recognizing that we already completed the objective and *cannot do so again* due to the coding of the game.
Being asked to do something that some of us literally cannot do because we already paid for Scribing is an issue for me. To be clear, I have no problem with Scribing being free now. I am very happy people are getting access. I am having a lot of fun watching guildmates and friends explore this as a new system for the first time. But I am in the position of having paid to claim Scribing via Gold Road and now cannot claim it from the Crown Store because it says it was already claimed. It is an extremely odd decision to me to tell people that they can’t get credit for what they paid for while people who didn’t pay can get credit. Rewarding players new to Scribing is absolutely fine — excluding players not new to it is not. And that’s a systemic feeling far beyond this one GP.14 -
Desiato✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think it's a pretty basic consideration.
ZOS makes an offer: do these things for this reward.
The player then considers it. Do I want the reward? Is it worth doing the things?
If yes, proceed to do it.
If no, don't do it.
Just because it's in the game doesn't mean it has to make sense for every player to do it. That's not even possible. For every thing they add, there will be a range of opinions about it and one group won't want to do it. It doesn't mean any adjustments are required.
Such is life. I mean, why does this even need to be said? It's the social media factor. For every thing someone doesn't like, no matter how minor, they're going to be able to easily find others who feel the same, no matter how fringe.spending a year dead for tax reasons2 -
aleksandr_ESO✭✭✭✭NeuroticPixels wrote: »aleksandr_ESO wrote: »If the tasks are retroactive, they will be completed immediately by most players.
What’s wrong with that?
literally everything. this is an activity to keep players in the game, not for free loot
0 -
aleksandr_ESO✭✭✭✭Renato90085 wrote: »aleksandr_ESO wrote: »If the tasks are retroactive, they will be completed immediately by most players.
like they add any class/craft Achievement?
every action has a purpose. you have to do golden pursuits because ZOS want to keep you in the game. Basic achievements are a way to make the game fun for beginners.
1 -
Renato90085✭✭✭✭✭Renato90085 wrote: »aleksandr_ESO wrote: »If the tasks are retroactive, they will be completed immediately by most players.
like they add any class/craft Achievement?
i mean ,why not if you done very long ago
when subclass add,i gust log in my all class toon and auto unlock all skill line
if we need re training all class lv 50 2 time this will a big trouble for zos...
I think you're confused on how subclassing works. You didn't auto unlock anything. There is nothing to unlock. Everybody has access to all the purchased skill lines by default. A brand new player creating a brand new character has access to all the lines by default. You do need to level any skill line you pick up though, they don't get leveled just because subclassing got added. Or maybe I just don't understand what you wrote, because it's kind of confusing.
And achievements don't actually give you anything, nor do they unlock anything, so the comparison doesn't work. When you log in on an alt, and see that they too have an achievement, there's literally no tangible difference whatsoever, your alt doesn't really get anything. With Golden Pursuits it's obviously a different matter, you actively get rewards.
Maybe is subclass in my Language have wrong text, and I can’t test, I have all full lv class many year
here tell me need have full class line achievements unlock this0 -
Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think it's a pretty basic consideration.
ZOS makes an offer: do these things for this reward.
The player then considers it. Do I want the reward? Is it worth doing the things?
If yes, proceed to do it.
If no, don't do it.
Just because it's in the game doesn't mean it has to make sense for every player to do it. That's not even possible. For every thing they add, there will be a range of opinions about it and one group won't want to do it. It doesn't mean any adjustments are required.
Such is life. I mean, why does this even need to be said? It's the social media factor. For every thing someone doesn't like, no matter how minor, they're going to be able to easily find others who feel the same, no matter how fringe.
The problem is that some players cannot do the tasks whether they want to or not, because they didn them before the golden pursuit existed and cannot do them again.
One of the ones being reported as broken is to claim scribing from the crown store. You can't seriously think people are complaining about the effort of clicking a button in the menu. The problem is the game will not let you do it, so it's impossible to complete no matter what you're willing to do for it.
And yes I know there's other choice so they can still complete the overall achievement. That doesn't mean it's not broken. If there's enough of a grass verge for everyone to drive around a huge pot hole in the road it doesn't mean the road is fine and no one should mention the hole. Same idea here.Edited by Danikat on 12 July 2025 20:34PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
"Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"7 -
DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I think it's a pretty basic consideration.
ZOS makes an offer: do these things for this reward.
The player then considers it. Do I want the reward? Is it worth doing the things?
If yes, proceed to do it.
If no, don't do it.
Just because it's in the game doesn't mean it has to make sense for every player to do it. That's not even possible. For every thing they add, there will be a range of opinions about it and one group won't want to do it. It doesn't mean any adjustments are required.
Such is life. I mean, why does this even need to be said? It's the social media factor. For every thing someone doesn't like, no matter how minor, they're going to be able to easily find others who feel the same, no matter how fringe.
The problem is that some players cannot do the tasks whether they want to or not, because they didn them before the golden pursuit existed and cannot do them again.
One of the ones being reported as broken is to claim scribing from the crown store. You can't seriously think people are complaining about the effort of clicking a button in the menu. The problem is the game will not let you do it, so it's impossible to complete no matter what you're willing to do for it.
And yes I know there's other choice so they can still complete the overall achievement. That doesn't mean it's not broken. If there's enough of a grass verge for everyone to drive around a huge pot hole in the road it doesn't mean the road is fine and no one should mention the hole. Same idea here.
It's only broken under the presumption that objectives are supposed to be completed retroactively. And thus far, the only people I see claiming that it's supposed to, are the players. I've yet to see ZOS make such a statement anywhere.
0 -
madman65✭✭✭✭[snip] The state of the game is not very good so get new gamers and try to keep them.
[edited for bashing]Edited by ZOS_Icy on 13 July 2025 17:541 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭[snip] The state of the game is not very good so get new gamers and try to keep them.
or it is because they want the players who have been here for years to stay engaged in the game instead of just getting more rewards for activities they did long ago. This way we get to have old and new both participating in a variety of activities. That is good for the game. New players will see all those other players and think hey this is great so many people to play with I think I will stick around.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on 13 July 2025 17:56and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
Heren✭✭✭✭darkriketz wrote: »It's supposed to be a challenge. A challenge must be challenging.
<cough>
A challenge ? Really ? You genuinely consider endeavours and golden pursuits to be challenges ?
Engaging, in a way. Occupying, certainly. But challenging ? Well I guess we have different definitions of that word.
On topic, as long as they offer a sufficient number of tasks so the pool remain large enough, I don't really care if I don't do some. I will say however that it is obviously not a very good pr approach, and I think the complains now and before are demonstratives enough, but hey, ZOS doing the pr thing the way they do.2 -
JemadarofCaerSalis✭✭✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »I finished in less than 3 hours without breaking a sweat for something that had a time limit of 28 days. And the first two of those hours I wasted just frittering around.
A player brand new to scribing would have to complete those quest objectives that I was able to leave alone. Which would have taken them hours if not a full gaming session to complete. And then they'd still have more objectives to complete to earn the capstone reward.
Explain to me why I should feel as if I were being punished? Cuz from where I'm sitting, vets to scribing got it pretty easy!
[edit] Oh yeah forgot the topic.. When have GP's ever had retroactively completed objectives?
Took me two or three days to complete, but mainly because of the repetitiveness.0 -
DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭
A challenge ? Really ? You genuinely consider endeavours and golden pursuits to be challenges ?darkriketz wrote: »It's supposed to be a challenge. A challenge must be challenging.
Certainly more challenging than simply logging in clicking a claim button. It's inherently obvious that they meant challenge in the sense that you have to do something, and not just get rewarded for doing nothing.Edited by DenverRalphy on 12 July 2025 21:490 -
reazea✭✭✭✭✭
✭Erickson9610 wrote: »These tasks don't need to be retroactive because all of the rewards can be earned without completing those tasks.
It's not that big of a deal, honestly.
At least two of the GP tasks absolutely SHOULD be retroactive. The tasks that require "purchasing" scribing from the crown store and the initial scribing quest both absolutely should be retroactive. Players can't get these achievements if they paid good money a year ago and grinded out these tasks on every toon since the system was released.
It's a slap to the face of their loyal customers that spent real money for scribing when it first came out that these tasks are not auto completed.6 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Erickson9610 wrote: »These tasks don't need to be retroactive because all of the rewards can be earned without completing those tasks.
It's not that big of a deal, honestly.
At least two of the GP tasks absolutely SHOULD be retroactive. The tasks that require "purchasing" scribing from the crown store and the initial scribing quest both absolutely should be retroactive. Players can't get these achievements if they paid good money a year ago and grinded out these tasks on every toon since the system was released.
It's a slap to the face of their loyal customers that spent real money for scribing when it first came out that these tasks are not auto completed.
There are enough other tasks to complete the pursuits though, even if you completed the full scribing quest on all your toons.
And honestly, everything else seems faster than doing those quests again.The Moot Councillor0 -
oldbobdude✭✭✭✭✭darkriketz wrote: »NeuroticPixels wrote: »aleksandr_ESO wrote: »If the tasks are retroactive, they will be completed immediately by most players.
What’s wrong with that?
It's supposed to be a challenge. A challenge must be challenging.
If you complete the Golden Pursuit right after they begin ingame because you already did the Scribing questline with your whatever-number-of-toons, then what's the point in creating a challenge in the first place ? ZoS would save some time by just granting rewards to anyone has completed the Scribing questline (spoiler alert : this questline already grants its own rewards) and promise it to players who still need/want to do it at their pace.
Let's stop creating challenging and engaging events, after all everything we need is ZoS filling a checklist of ingame accomplishments and randomly rewarding players for no reason >_>
Did ZOS use the word “challenging” anywhere? Genuinely curious. I can’t recall. I see “activities” used all over the Scribing GP announcement, but nothing about a “challenge.”
Golden Pursuits are a list of tasks. They give people a checklist of things to do to give a sense of accomplishment (with the resultant dopamine hit) alongside any in-game rewards. If they are meant to be challenging, I can’t say they come anywhere close to succeeding in that for me.
There is nothing I find the least bit challenging about looting a reward satchel or a resource node for ink, or doing daily writs for quests, or completing the specific quests listed in the GP. And that’s fine — because to the best of my understanding that is not the intent here.
The problems arise when there is a list of tasks to check off and having already completed them in a way that makes them unrepeatable means being locked out of it. We get our options narrowed because we previously did a thing being asked of us now and now can’t get credit. Personally I have no problem getting 10 more ink (especially when 9 count from the reward track), no matter having had 400 collected already. Getting 10 ink is eminently doable this GP. I have a problem with “claim Scribing from the crown store” being literally impossible for some accounts because it is already claimed. That should be an easy check and still leaves us plenty to do. It is the opposite of a “random” reward — it is recognizing that we already completed the objective and *cannot do so again* due to the coding of the game.
Being asked to do something that some of us literally cannot do because we already paid for Scribing is an issue for me. To be clear, I have no problem with Scribing being free now. I am very happy people are getting access. I am having a lot of fun watching guildmates and friends explore this as a new system for the first time. But I am in the position of having paid to claim Scribing via Gold Road and now cannot claim it from the Crown Store because it says it was already claimed. It is an extremely odd decision to me to tell people that they can’t get credit for what they paid for while people who didn’t pay can get credit. Rewarding players new to Scribing is absolutely fine — excluding players not new to it is not. And that’s a systemic feeling far beyond this one GP.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a challenging gp or endeavor. Tedious, yes, but challenging. Lol
2 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why would Golden Pursuits be retroactive? If every objective was automatically completed because the player did the activity sometime in the past 11 years, then every Golden Pursuit would be finished the second it started.
The Golden Pursuits are to complete these objectives now to earn a new set of rewards for doing them now.PCNA4 -
madman65✭✭✭✭Well I have already gotten the alter and the scribing out of the way. Now i`m stuck waiting for the daily rewards to get 15/16 for the Blade cloak. The only challenge that I have from these Golden pursuits is the daily guild quest and they are now done so the rest for me this is not a challenge, the opposite BORING!Edited by madman65 on 13 July 2025 03:131
-
Abelon✭✭✭✭✭Renato90085 wrote: »Renato90085 wrote: »aleksandr_ESO wrote: »If the tasks are retroactive, they will be completed immediately by most players.
like they add any class/craft Achievement?
i mean ,why not if you done very long ago
when subclass add,i gust log in my all class toon and auto unlock all skill line
if we need re training all class lv 50 2 time this will a big trouble for zos...
I think you're confused on how subclassing works. You didn't auto unlock anything. There is nothing to unlock. Everybody has access to all the purchased skill lines by default. A brand new player creating a brand new character has access to all the lines by default. You do need to level any skill line you pick up though, they don't get leveled just because subclassing got added. Or maybe I just don't understand what you wrote, because it's kind of confusing.
And achievements don't actually give you anything, nor do they unlock anything, so the comparison doesn't work. When you log in on an alt, and see that they too have an achievement, there's literally no tangible difference whatsoever, your alt doesn't really get anything. With Golden Pursuits it's obviously a different matter, you actively get rewards.
Maybe is subclass in my Language have wrong text, and I can’t test, I have all full lv class many year
here tell me need have full class line achievements unlock this
Yeah not sure, but subclassing doesn't require anything and doesn't have any kinds of unlocks. Get access to everything by default right away. Things like Warden, Necromancer, Arcanist need to be bought of course, otherwise you can't use their lines. I have seen multiple people assume that something needs to be leveled though, so maybe there is in fact some mistranslation somewhere?Edited by Abelon on 13 July 2025 12:501 -
liliub17_ESO✭✭✭To add more fun to the mix, the luminous ink pursuit task? Yeah, none of the ink you receive as part of the tasks count - not the reward couple of bottles when you first learn to scribe, not the ones awarded as part of fulfilling X-tasks, etc. It is only if you find them in a chest or a foe has some in their pocket when you unalive them and the bottle didn't break.0
-
lostineternity✭✭✭darkriketz wrote: »NeuroticPixels wrote: »aleksandr_ESO wrote: »If the tasks are retroactive, they will be completed immediately by most players.
What’s wrong with that?
It's supposed to be a challenge. A challenge must be challenging.
Do we play the same game? Challenge in golden pursuit/endeavors? Boring chore - yes, challenge - no0 -
mdjessup4906✭✭✭✭You only need 16 of them to finish. I think theres 18 you can do with scribing fully leveled even with no new characters. At least 16. I know because ive got it all done too and im not redoing those quests.
And wirh a new account or character almost half are already done just by activating it. Not too bad.Edited by mdjessup4906 on 13 July 2025 13:163