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Re: A social issue people are reluctant to bring up
Damn did they disable normal human interaction again this patch?
Vaqual
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Re: The game needs things to do.
In Conan Exiles, you can hunt a wolf.
From this hunted wolf, you can collect claws, fangs, meat, fur, a wolf's head, and a wolf pelt.
You can take this wolf pelt to the tanner's table to obtain light leather.
You can use this light leather at other crafting tables to make items.
In Conan Exiles, animals yield specific products.
Each type of plant you gather yields specific products.
In Conan Exiles, you can collect stone from rocks, wood from trees, iron, gold, silver, glass, etc.
There are many types of crafting stations in Conan Exiles.
Furniture, tannery, tanner's table, furniture crafting station, deconstruction station, alchemist's workbench, etc.
You are mentioning a different game that has a different mats/crafting system. I appreciate you like it but ESO is not the same game & was created with its own system. To change it would probably take an immense amount of recoding, and its stuff that is ancient so would hate to see what joy mucking around with it would bring.
Sometimes you just have to accept different games have different systems.
Re: Nevermind
In it's current form, it has the potential to negatively impact the PVP experience for many people. That is why many of us are trying to see it (rightfully) brought in line before it goes live - nobody that doesn't play a WW wants someone with 40k HP and one bar dealing 6-10k DPS to them in pvp. Its not an unreasonable ask at all, and the spec simply does not need to be dealing that amount of damage with such little effort in PVP.
On the PVE/everything else side of the game, it hardly matters what WW is doing. They can make it as competitive as they like there, because it won't negatively affect anyone else's experience. They have the tools to distinguish the two with exclusions like "against monsters" or "against players". Its selfish to pretend like PVP players should just accept balance being decimated because casual/RP players want a certain power fantasy in an MMO.
Why exactly should a one bar setup be competitive with high end two bar setups? Having more mechanical complexity required to play your build should net better results. You're seriously downplaying the effectiveness of the PTS WW here as well, because it isn't just competitive - it achieves the best DPS possible. On the PTS, it is dealing north of the best DPS possible by two bar setups as a baseline, even matching those setups without class mastery passives and while missing 33% WD, with a fraction of the mechanical complexity. That is not healthy.
You saw pelican's video, and you claimed that the people he was fighting were clueless - yet, some of the people in that video were genuinely some of the best duelers on the entire game. WW is dealing such a mind-boggling amount of damage that it makes these players look like they can't defend themselves - because you quite literally cannot defend yourself against 6k+ DPS reasonably and WW is dealing up to 10k dps with spikes of up to 13k dps.
To be honest, this is the worst case of disingenuous bias I have ever seen in my years on these forums. Dozens of WW players completely unwilling to acknowledge that there is a problem, shifting the goal posts and changing their argument each time they're being presented with evidence that the spec is overperforming. Its genuinely disappointing.
On the PVE/everything else side of the game, it hardly matters what WW is doing. They can make it as competitive as they like there, because it won't negatively affect anyone else's experience. They have the tools to distinguish the two with exclusions like "against monsters" or "against players". Its selfish to pretend like PVP players should just accept balance being decimated because casual/RP players want a certain power fantasy in an MMO.
Us PvPers and PvErs were there to test their changes and give feedback. Why blame us for ZOS's incompetence?
Are they incompetent? They've intentionally buffed werewolf to be competitive with the class rework. Other classes and specs are pulling similar numbers except with more potential survivability from various skills, etc. and potential burst damage spikes.
Why exactly should a one bar setup be competitive with high end two bar setups? Having more mechanical complexity required to play your build should net better results. You're seriously downplaying the effectiveness of the PTS WW here as well, because it isn't just competitive - it achieves the best DPS possible. On the PTS, it is dealing north of the best DPS possible by two bar setups as a baseline, even matching those setups without class mastery passives and while missing 33% WD, with a fraction of the mechanical complexity. That is not healthy.
You saw pelican's video, and you claimed that the people he was fighting were clueless - yet, some of the people in that video were genuinely some of the best duelers on the entire game. WW is dealing such a mind-boggling amount of damage that it makes these players look like they can't defend themselves - because you quite literally cannot defend yourself against 6k+ DPS reasonably and WW is dealing up to 10k dps with spikes of up to 13k dps.
To be honest, this is the worst case of disingenuous bias I have ever seen in my years on these forums. Dozens of WW players completely unwilling to acknowledge that there is a problem, shifting the goal posts and changing their argument each time they're being presented with evidence that the spec is overperforming. Its genuinely disappointing.
React
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Re: Unattainable Dyes?
I dont like the precedent this is setting. I know the reason why they are doing it is so they can run the same content several times with a low cost to them. But I hate accountwide features that run specifically like this.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
Alright, so werewolf without sorc class masteries does roughly the same DPS/HPS as the previously reworked DK.
Excellent, we've reached the "new standard", hopefully we can add warden to this category in U51!
Meanwhile, maybe we can be a bit more specific about the actual issue so there's not gazillion posts providing very misleading "feedback" about "werewolf"?
Just a thought.
My last two dueling tournaments on PC/EU were #1 & #3, I guess this qualifies my post and makes it acceptable!
Excellent, we've reached the "new standard", hopefully we can add warden to this category in U51!
Meanwhile, maybe we can be a bit more specific about the actual issue so there's not gazillion posts providing very misleading "feedback" about "werewolf"?
Just a thought.
My last two dueling tournaments on PC/EU were #1 & #3, I guess this qualifies my post and makes it acceptable!
Decimus
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Re: Wisteria's motivation? (Tanlorin's questline, text includes spoilers)
JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »I must not have used Tanlorin all that much, because I don't remember the roaring and pretending to be a beaver. I think I remember the 'so this is where they get cloth' or something.
Lots of weird lines, especially when out harvesting mats, for example these:
"I just love the sound they make. Bwah!"
"No, why? Do you want me to bite you? Rrrrr!"
"Sorry tree, we needed your flesh chunk."
"Do you ever pretend you're a beaver?"
Honestly, I already found Ember's depiction rather child-like. But at least Ember is not talking about getting drunk and "romance" (not sure if a more direct wording would get censored) while showing such a child-like mindset.
Ah, yeah, I missed those lines.
Yeah, I find Ember Childlike, but her entire personality is meant to be like that, sort of less childlike, and more trying to find joy in a life that absolutely hasn't been good.
Honestly, thinking about it, I think that they may have tried for another Ember like character, one who finds joy and doesn't let what others think bug them, and failed.
Part of it is the dichotomy of Tanlorin's 'hint hint nudge nudge' personality and their childlike 'I am going to pretend I am a big fierce monster!', but also just because Tanlorin is too 'modern' for my tastes.
Re: companions need to be adjusted (challenge difficulty)
Dont use them then. [snip]
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duagloth
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Re: Wisteria's motivation? (Tanlorin's questline, text includes spoilers)
I must not have used Tanlorin all that much, because I don't remember the roaring and pretending to be a beaver. I think I remember the 'so this is where they get cloth' or something.Honestly? It's a story about an absolutely untamrielic Mary Sue character depicted as being perceived as perfect and absolutely brilliant in any regard, super talented and intelligent of course, well-respected by everyone (except for the baddies), drinking lots of wine and having many sexual conquests - while having the mindset and intelligence of a small child, asking where cloth comes from, randomly making roaring sounds, and pretending to be a beaver while chopping wood (a contrast which feels super creepy, by the way; or at least where I come from, someone who thinks and acts like a child getting drunk or having "dates" would be perceived as absolutely questionable).
Also using pronouns that clearly differ from the physical form, which is a rare thing in Tamriel - but still, instead of going by the body shape, everyone knows the correct pronouns immediately and uses them correctly, including enemies.
Put short: There is no logic.
At least the same year also had Zerith-var, whose story was much more mature, provided us with wonderful new lore and absolutely fit into Tamriel. This is what I, and I know also many other people who are here for stories and lore, want to see more of. Not quirky, meme-y nonsense that doesn't even fit into the fictional world and its cultures.
But, yeah, put that way, and the way the OP put it, it just makes that story that much worse, especially in comparison to Zerith-var's story.
That is also one of the biggest issues I have with 'they/them' in stories. Somehow, everyone seems to know to use They/Them instead of the pronouns that fit the body shape, even when it is the first time meeting that person. Unless the person is carrying a huge sign saying that they use They/Them, no one is going to automatically know that. Especially in places where they don't default to 'they/them' for people they don't know.
I do think that the story line could have been good. But, to me, Tanlorin overshadows it to the point that it just seems, well, trite.
Re: Update 50 PTS – Week 1 Summary
I tried playing in Vestige mode while a friend was in normal mode, and the experience was extremely disappointing. He killed my delve boss before I could do anything.
In quests, the bosses are already instanced for each player, so that’s not an issue. But delves are shared instances—and that completely ruins the experience.
A possible solution would be to make delves instanced specifically for Vestige/Master players, applying this only to delves and not to the rest of the game. That alone would already be a huge improvement, since the most enjoyable part is the boss fights
In quests, the bosses are already instanced for each player, so that’s not an issue. But delves are shared instances—and that completely ruins the experience.
A possible solution would be to make delves instanced specifically for Vestige/Master players, applying this only to delves and not to the rest of the game. That alone would already be a huge improvement, since the most enjoyable part is the boss fights
Frooke
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The Silence On Antiquity Leads Is Defeaning!
It's that time again. I'm lead farming and waiting around for spawns (more on that in a bit), so it is time for me to yet again post about the utter travesty that is the antiquity lead RNG.
With all the improvements, class refreshes, QoL, and heck even lorebooks got a pass (only about 50% of the problem fixed but a start), but I am yet to see anything about antiquity lead farming. This isn't just the absolutely abysmal drop rate of Solstice treasure chest leads, I'm talking about all the leads.
When Gold Road came out ZOS kindly upped the drop rate for the 1st, but only the 1st, iteration. Subsequent iterations are still at the historically poor rates, if not worse. This coupled with the 3 codex entries needed for us completionists, as well as needed to unlock buying antiquity furniture for gold, means some of us spend an awful lot of our in-game time farming leads.
The annoyance of the new tome challenges not being either a vehicle for aiding lead farming on more difficult content, or that tome rewards doesn't contain a pack of leads with missing codex entries, cannot be overstated.
This is the easiest quality of life change going. It doesn't require re-coding, or extra code, it requires changing a % on a few loot tables. Heck, send me the tables and I'll do it! The table should be along the lines of 1st - 100%, 2nd - 50%, 3rd - 25%, 4th+ whatever the heck you want. Having a couple of vendors very slowly cycle through the leads once a week is not a solution, changing the drop rates is.
I'm farming my 3rd iteration of the Glyphic Secrets Music Box. It includes a lead that drops from, what is in at least my opinion as someone who has solo'd every world boss except one, the Prime Cataloger - want to take a guess what my one non-solo is?! Apocrypha is a half-dead zone. Waiting for others to show up to help tackle this boss is time consuming. The low numbers of people who do show up mean the fight lasts an age. I'm now past TWO DOZENS kills on this boss and no lead.
Change the loot tables, or at least say something about what possible rational you could have for not doing so.
Edit: A Note on Treasure Maps
One of, if not our biggest, gripes with leads are the ones from Treasure Maps. ZOS recently changed the maps to not only stack, but also to come as a container containing a random map. This has caused this problem:
TTC Listing for Telvanni Treasure Maps in their entirety:
TTC Listing for Unopened Treasure Map:
That's a problem.
With all the improvements, class refreshes, QoL, and heck even lorebooks got a pass (only about 50% of the problem fixed but a start), but I am yet to see anything about antiquity lead farming. This isn't just the absolutely abysmal drop rate of Solstice treasure chest leads, I'm talking about all the leads.
When Gold Road came out ZOS kindly upped the drop rate for the 1st, but only the 1st, iteration. Subsequent iterations are still at the historically poor rates, if not worse. This coupled with the 3 codex entries needed for us completionists, as well as needed to unlock buying antiquity furniture for gold, means some of us spend an awful lot of our in-game time farming leads.
The annoyance of the new tome challenges not being either a vehicle for aiding lead farming on more difficult content, or that tome rewards doesn't contain a pack of leads with missing codex entries, cannot be overstated.
This is the easiest quality of life change going. It doesn't require re-coding, or extra code, it requires changing a % on a few loot tables. Heck, send me the tables and I'll do it! The table should be along the lines of 1st - 100%, 2nd - 50%, 3rd - 25%, 4th+ whatever the heck you want. Having a couple of vendors very slowly cycle through the leads once a week is not a solution, changing the drop rates is.
I'm farming my 3rd iteration of the Glyphic Secrets Music Box. It includes a lead that drops from, what is in at least my opinion as someone who has solo'd every world boss except one, the Prime Cataloger - want to take a guess what my one non-solo is?! Apocrypha is a half-dead zone. Waiting for others to show up to help tackle this boss is time consuming. The low numbers of people who do show up mean the fight lasts an age. I'm now past TWO DOZENS kills on this boss and no lead.
Change the loot tables, or at least say something about what possible rational you could have for not doing so.
Edit: A Note on Treasure Maps
One of, if not our biggest, gripes with leads are the ones from Treasure Maps. ZOS recently changed the maps to not only stack, but also to come as a container containing a random map. This has caused this problem:
TTC Listing for Telvanni Treasure Maps in their entirety:
TTC Listing for Unopened Treasure Map:
That's a problem.
Gabriel_H
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