hoangdz wrote: »

No, WW itself is still too strong. I could have Pelican on WW and myself on Sorc/DK, both without class masteries, and WW would still be significantly stronger.

But I know that most people here wouldn't want to accept that fact either. I can already see the dismissive comments like "It's just a 1v1" or "We don't know how it performs in Cyro/BG/etc". Those were the exact comments used to argue with me when I raised concern about old Sorc and reworked DK being overperforming. It didn't take long for multiple threads to occur after those patches went live, CONFIRMING my concern.

Look I get it, you and many people here want WW to stay as it is, and that's fair. But let's not try to sugarcoat it with balance discussions, as a simple fight on PTS clearly shows otherwise. Just state the blatantly obvious intention that you and many others want WW to overperform for once. That I can understand.

I would happily support a nerf if there was adequate information to support it. There isn't. I don't play WW so I have no reason whatsoever to want them OP. Let's see this "OP WW" on a templar base or a NB or necro. Just anything that isn't a sorc or DK where they're clearly performing well as we'd all expect.

If the WW itself is the problem, rather than the base it's on, it would be over performing on everything. But let's be honest, the issue is with specific combinations + WW. It looks like a couple of builds that create a stronger base and the combination(s) need adjusted. Not a blanket nerf to WW. You're asking for the devs to use a sledgehammer to crack a nut. It's 100% fair for others to ask for genuine proof that the WW deserves it. We aren't just trying to keep WW OP, we're just trying to avoid a completely unnecessary nerf because a few players don't like WW and/or single bar PvP builds.

A static duel is totally different from BGs and Cyro or IC where fights are mobile and the WW can't get the damage done as easily. So yes, some of us are going to mention that difference and be interested in seeing more "realistic" fights. I was in Cyro with my guild last night. Literally all that was said about WW was "I hear werewolves are winning duels now" lol. None of us are remotely worried that a WW ballgroup will appear or that we'll be torn up in IC or BGs. Nobody will be worried unless we see something of concern.

Nobody is asking too much when they want to see the results across a range of examples and situations. It's called making an informed decision. I can't make an informed decision with only a few pieces of information. So if the WW is so so bad, and some of you are that concerned, it's not too much trouble to show different base class builds and more realistic fights.

coop500 wrote: »

I wanted to make one final post about this, though I'm not surprised by the reception as a lot of people seem to wish to delete femininity these days, which as a woman is a little discomforting but, anyway. Not the main point.

When I say bumps, I don't mean full on head-sized breasts with visible... you knows. I was truly just meaning small bumps. To toot my own horn a little, this is the female model of a werewolf replacer I helped make and refine for Skyrim, in which I did the adjustments myself, including the chest.



This isn't sexualized or gross or suggestive nudity. It's just respecting and reflecting that this is a female werewolf, and showing off a human aspect of what that looks like. I did other small adjustments too but I won't go into that here.

Okay as a female in RL who has some quite "busty" ladies in ESO, this is not about attacking femininity it's about how some of us expect a cross between a human and wolf to actually look.

I'm happy when there isn't always an emphasis on making a female character meet the stereotypical "female beauty" body shape that is often used. If you look at women who are fit and strong in RL like athletes, you'll see many who don't have a large cleavage. But they're still feminine, because a woman who is strong isn't less feminine because of her cup size. This alone supports the smaller chest size on a WW because they are clearly intended to be muscular and strong and the smaller chest is actually appropriate.

In RL I have a husky who looks incredibly like a wolf, so I'm really keen on the WW aesthetic. But while you might want a human x wolf to have breasts more like a human, it's equally valid to say this is only half human and therefore the expectation is that the chest area is much more subtle. Dogs, even when feeding pups don't show anything like what female humans do in the chest area. After weaning they practically disappear So in your image I just see something that looks really out of place giving this is a dog-human hybrid with a fully human chest. It's the same as with Argonians and Khajiit. I shrunk those ladies right down almost to the opposite end of the slider from my human/elf alts, because it looks strange otherwise.

And I'll say again, I don't mind if there's a choice to have or hide boobs on female WWs, I just don't think this argument is about having an issue with femininity.

There are no children in the game, I am not sure if lactation is part of the lore canon.

The fur doesn’t look as bad as it did in the concept art but yeah… most women have breasts. That’s just a fact of life and, well, mine certainly are important to me. Can have them exist and it still be tasteful.