Should Female Werewolves Have Small Chest Bumps?

coop500 · April 14

Not sure how acceptable this might be, but I'm curious regardless, now that most of us have seen the new female werewolf model. Which is mostly, shorter snout, longer tail, fur bra, and more fur on the back/shoulders, while possibly a slimmer stomach.

Would you prefer if the female had small chest bumps, or breasts? Nothing massive, but just to show some human femininity. As it stands, we have the fur bra, which I understand to a degree... except for the fact it has no real purpose, and isn't actually DOING anything there because there's nothing to mask.

I don't play female werewolves that much, but as a woman IRL, I'd be totally fine with seeing small chest bumps there to reflect that, yes this is a woman. It's a natural part of the human body, and werewolves are part human after all. Yes, I know female IRL wolves aren't that different visually from male, but werewolves aren't just wolves, there's a human aspect there too.

Did my best to keep the poll options simple and not worded in a way that feels biased or offputting.

MaverickWerewolf · April 14

Yes but bigger ones

Werewolves in Elder Scrolls are cursed and are both human and wolf. If they look too much like one or the other, they lose the effect. They should have some human anatomy, and they have human torsos; therefore, I vote yes. Having human anatomy on their human portions, same as wolf anatomy on their wolf portions, makes them more werewolfish and more frightening.

When I play a female character, I'd like my werewolf form to look female, as well. To me, a werewolf model that actually looks female vs looking masculine (and I think the male model looks good as is right now, btw; I like it and hope they don't change it) was the point of having a separate model. Giving the female werewolf an unsightly pile of chest hair without even giving her breasts is an ugly and bizarre design choice.

And yes, I am a woman irl, before anyone asks.

LunaFlora · April 14

Yes please!

yes it would be nice to have bigger differences between the werewolf models

luckiestlycan · April 14

No thank you

Gods no, personally I love how subtle & respectful the differences are currently and I think they should stay that way, the make or break for femininity in a creatures design shouldn't be whether it has breasts or not.

As a woman who loves to play Werewolves in video games, where werewolves being playable will often be the reason I even check out a game, I can't emphasis enough how infuriating I find it when they use female/male models and they just end up ripping out ribs and slapping breasts on the fem model.

Soarora · April 14

Yes please!

The fur doesn’t look as bad as it did in the concept art but yeah… most women have breasts. That’s just a fact of life and, well, mine certainly are important to me. Can have them exist and it still be tasteful.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · April 14

Maybe the fat turned into muscle, that is why they are absent.

Fischblut · April 14

No thank you

The werewolf visuals are destroyed for me in this upcoming update :'(
My fierce monster girl all these years vs the new model:

I am sorry and do not wish to offend designers and those players who like new models... Someone spent lot of time and care on creating new models, and in itself the new werewolf is ok. If this would be just a skill style/some optional visual, I would be glad to have variety (so I could stay as old model werewolf, while others could use new model if they prefer)...

The only thing I like about the new werewolf model is how mane and chest fur combine on female version:

For my taste, I don't need girls to look feminine while transformed into beasts. However, I will no longer transform for visual enjoyment so my wish doesn't really matter

If other players want to do some themed roleplay with werewolf couples and chest bumps would enhance this, I am totally ok with it

Arunei · April 14

No thank you

As a woman, I don't think female WWs need to have breasts. When people transform they lose certain aspects of their human forms, and wolves don't naturally have breasts. They're just fat and I can imagine them getting lost amongst the musculature that would form around the chest and shoulders.

coop500 · April 14

Yes please!

Arunei wrote: »

As a woman, I don't think female WWs need to have breasts. When people transform they lose certain aspects of their human forms, and wolves don't naturally have breasts. They're just fat and I can imagine them getting lost amongst the musculature that would form around the chest and shoulders.

Respectfully, breasts are most definitely NOT just fat, that's mildly concerning to me to hear. Mammal breasts (wolves would have six teets and I'm grateful our werewolves don't have this LOL) are also not just fat, but are actual functioning glands and organs with lots of stuff going on. I'm not a scientist, but the proper term is 'mammary glands' for a reason. And both humans and wolves are still mammals.

I won't get into opinions, I'm not here to argue with anyone about it, but seeing something factually incorrect about our core biology did pain me a bit and I felt the need to address it.

CalamityCat · April 14

I kinda like that they don't have obvious cleavage. I tend to have my ladies of other races with a fair bit of cleavage, but my Khajiit and Argonian keep theirs about as small as I can manage because I prefer them to look more animal than human in that respect as the chest can look a bit out of place.

I don't mind if there's the option to choose between having a more visible chest and hiding it though

Panderbander · April 14

No thank you

Please, no. There's absolutely no need for it outside of some sort of weird sexualization of a feral (wo)manbeast.

guarstompemoji · April 14

No thank you

I'm reminded of the tree people race who needed "frontal knobs" to "display femininity."

Men have moobs, too. Let both genders choose moobs or not and we'll be fine. So long as everyone complains, it's fine.

I would prefer no moobs or boobs, ty.

Vaqual · April 15

There are no children in the game, I am not sure if lactation is part of the lore canon.

FurryCandyHearts · April 15

were wolf literally means man wolf

wyf wolf means woman wolf

please learn english if you claim to be a native speaker. ty.

ESO_player123 · April 15

Other

Eww...

blktauna · April 15

No thank you

eww no

karthrag_inak · April 15

Yes please!

yes! 4 on each side.

Faulgor · April 15

Vaqual wrote: »

There are no children in the game, I am not sure if lactation is part of the lore canon.

Besides, year-long visible mammary glands are a specifically human oddity. Afaik, in other mammals (including other primates), they only show when needed, so while nursing, a time the mother is usually not able to become pregnant again - so if you find female breasts sexually attractive, you are really the odd one out (in the animal kingdom)!

Of course, that rule is broken with other female species in TES. After all, it's a fantasy game to please humans, not lamia or harpies.

YffresTrill · April 15

No thank you

My main character has always been a female werewolf, and this is not something I have ever wished for. I prefer my werewolves to look more wolfy and less human, and breasts on a wolf-like being look, in my opinion, odd.

Though there are no breasts on the new model, this is however the least of my gripes with it, and I am very dissatisfied with the crazy eyes, oversized snout, elf ears, mohawk, and odd arrangement of fur.

@Fischblut I agree with you completely... I was looking forward to the rework because I thought with the skill styles I could finally start using a morphed version of the ultimate on my werewolf who is intended to have brown fur, but the added glowing visuals on the morphs cause that to still not be an option for me, and with my distaste for the model entirely, I will surely find myself transforming less and less. Shame. It would be nice if we could use a skill style to retain the old model.

Orbital78 · April 15

I think they need more junk in the trunk.

allochthons · April 15

Other

No. But I'm endlessly annoyed by the fact that female Argonians have breasts when they're canonically egg layers. 🤷
Or, if yes, a line down their torso like dogs.

coop500 · April 15

Yes please!

I wanted to make one final post about this, though I'm not surprised by the reception as a lot of people seem to wish to delete femininity these days, which as a woman is a little discomforting but, anyway. Not the main point.

When I say bumps, I don't mean full on head-sized breasts with visible... you knows. I was truly just meaning small bumps. To toot my own horn a little, this is the female model of a werewolf replacer I helped make and refine for Skyrim, in which I did the adjustments myself, including the chest.

This isn't sexualized or gross or suggestive nudity. It's just respecting and reflecting that this is a female werewolf, and showing off a human aspect of what that looks like. I did other small adjustments too but I won't go into that here.

FurryCandyHearts · April 15

coop500 wrote: »

I wanted to make one final post about this, though I'm not surprised by the reception as a lot of people seem to wish to delete femininity these days, which as a woman is a little discomforting but, anyway. Not the main point.

When I say bumps, I don't mean full on head-sized breasts with visible... you knows. I was truly just meaning small bumps. To toot my own horn a little, this is the female model of a werewolf replacer I helped make and refine for Skyrim, in which I did the adjustments myself, including the chest.

This isn't sexualized or gross or suggestive nudity. It's just respecting and reflecting that this is a female werewolf, and showing off a human aspect of what that looks like. I did other small adjustments too but I won't go into that here.

human standards dont apply. wolves have breasts differently and more teats than humans do. and also wyfwolves aren't mating as wolves so reproduction is out, ergo no boobies... oO

coop500 · April 15

Yes please!

Werewolves aren't wolves, they are half human, I feel like I'm going crazy haha.

karthrag_inak · April 15

Yes please!

coop500 wrote: »

Werewolves aren't wolves, they are half human, I feel like I'm going crazy haha.

yes, but not the boobie half

Soarora · April 15

Yes please!

coop500 wrote: »

I wanted to make one final post about this, though I'm not surprised by the reception as a lot of people seem to wish to delete femininity these days, which as a woman is a little discomforting but, anyway. Not the main point.

When I say bumps, I don't mean full on head-sized breasts with visible... you knows. I was truly just meaning small bumps.

This isn't sexualized or gross or suggestive nudity. It's just respecting and reflecting that this is a female werewolf, and showing off a human aspect of what that looks like.

1 — I know it’s off-topic but I completely agree here. I’m disconcerted by the reception of calling this suggestion gross. Breasts are not gross. We can’t just unplug them, they’re there no matter how clothed we are. Acting like they’re gross is a slippery slope into adding yet another thing to the endless pile of female insecurities.

2 — I’ve modded my werewolves as well with a very similar breast situation. No physics, no nips, just their fur-covered existence. It’d be fine and modest to have most of it covered by fur and just have it jut out a bit and maaybe a little bit of underbreast.

3 — Exactly. Werewolves are not wolves. We may have different views as to how wolf a werewolf is but personally I’m of the belief that it’s not an entirely new form but a growth on top of the form that’s already there. As such, I headcanon that hair, clothes, horns, eyes, and even teeth to an extent remain.

MashmalloMan · April 16

Yes please!

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

were wolf literally means man wolf

wyf wolf means woman wolf

please learn english if you claim to be a native speaker. ty.

I'm sorry, what grade were we supposed to learn this? I must of missed the lesson on gender specific, fictional, human and animal hybrid, transformations and/or curses.

They never claimed to be a native English speaker, if they weren't, maybe you should give them the benefit of the doubt.
You couldn't even bother to capitalize or end your sentences with a period, yet thought you had the authority to randomly critique someones English?

I'm with OP, in passing I found it pretty difficult to tell the difference between the male and female werewolves and a little adjustment here, even less so than the example given from Skyrim, could go a long way in helping with that. I think there's nothing wrong with more feminine attributes and it has nothing to do with sexualizing them. I don't really see why they'd lose their chest when they transform, I could see the muscle reducing it, but it would still be there.

Best case scenario, although I know this realistically can't happen, at least not in the near future, would be for the sliders you used during character creation to have a similar influence on how your WW appears. Eg. if you increased/decreased the bust, the same would be true for your WW but within the paramaters of what is possible for that form.

CalamityCat · April 16

coop500 wrote: »

I wanted to make one final post about this, though I'm not surprised by the reception as a lot of people seem to wish to delete femininity these days, which as a woman is a little discomforting but, anyway. Not the main point.

When I say bumps, I don't mean full on head-sized breasts with visible... you knows. I was truly just meaning small bumps. To toot my own horn a little, this is the female model of a werewolf replacer I helped make and refine for Skyrim, in which I did the adjustments myself, including the chest.

This isn't sexualized or gross or suggestive nudity. It's just respecting and reflecting that this is a female werewolf, and showing off a human aspect of what that looks like. I did other small adjustments too but I won't go into that here.

Okay as a female in RL who has some quite "busty" ladies in ESO, this is not about attacking femininity it's about how some of us expect a cross between a human and wolf to actually look.

I'm happy when there isn't always an emphasis on making a female character meet the stereotypical "female beauty" body shape that is often used. If you look at women who are fit and strong in RL like athletes, you'll see many who don't have a large cleavage. But they're still feminine, because a woman who is strong isn't less feminine because of her cup size. This alone supports the smaller chest size on a WW because they are clearly intended to be muscular and strong and the smaller chest is actually appropriate.

In RL I have a husky who looks incredibly like a wolf, so I'm really keen on the WW aesthetic. But while you might want a human x wolf to have breasts more like a human, it's equally valid to say this is only half human and therefore the expectation is that the chest area is much more subtle. Dogs, even when feeding pups don't show anything like what female humans do in the chest area. After weaning they practically disappear

So in your image I just see something that looks really out of place giving this is a dog-human hybrid with a fully human chest. It's the same as with Argonians and Khajiit. I shrunk those ladies right down almost to the opposite end of the slider from my human/elf alts, because it looks strange otherwise.

And I'll say again, I don't mind if there's a choice to have or hide boobs on female WWs, I just don't think this argument is about having an issue with femininity.

Syldras · April 16

Other

If they're currently nursing werepuppies, then 6, otherwise none. Though if they're too big, wouldn't they need a bra 3 bras so it doesn't hurt while running?

FurryCandyHearts · April 17

there are only were wolves in the game. there are no wyfwolves in the game

all werewolves are male.

FurryCandyHearts · April 17

Syldras wrote: »

If they're currently nursing werepuppies, then 6, otherwise none. Though if they're too big, wouldn't they need a bra 3 bras so it doesn't hurt while running?

no wyfwolf is going hunting while nursing. she got werewolves to do that for her!

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