Athory wrote: »

We just have to accept it, whether we like it or not.

Bad players will always exist, and ZoS can’t really do much about that. I mean, sure, they can ban accounts, IP addresses, and so on… but that only happens in very specific situations. It’s never going to be a “common rule.” And we all know it, they’re not going to ban everyone just for bad behavior or harsh words.

All player toxicity actually comes from DPS Sharing and logs.
That’s something we have to acknowledge, because it’s a big root of the “everyday” toxicity you see across the game. And this is something ZoS could change, but players don’t really want that.

• People want to show off their DPS.
• They want to queue into Group Finder, post their vKA logs, and share them on Discord so everyone can see how bad others are.
• Most players enjoy that system.

So where does that leave us?

1. Toxicity is out of control
2. It keeps getting worse
3. Players don’t have the freedom to use any set, because everything shows up in logs. The moment someone sees you’re running Mother’s Sorrow or False God’s instead of something like Null Arca or Sul-Xan’s, you get judged for it, simply because it’s not meta. And how is the meta even defined? Correct! Through logs and DPS sharing.
4. Gatekeeping isn’t going anywhere, because logs\dps sharing make it easy to judge players
   And because of all that, toxicity isn’t going to disappear

I honestly wish this could just be a game you log into and enjoy. But the reality is different. A lot of players don’t just want to play, they want to compare, compete, and mock others. And this is where these tools should make a difference.

• Real endgame players use these tools to find the best players for their raids, Trifectas, score pushing, or world-record teams. That part is completely valid. But it represents maybe 0.10% of the playerbase, the ones who actually use these tools to improve and optimize.
• All the others? They use Logs \ DPS Sharring to mock players, gatekeep, and do absolutely nothing else.

That’s the current state of The Elder Scrolls Online.

Bguk wrote: »

Athory wrote: »

And then you kick him from the group,problem solved! Where’s the toxicity in that?

Yes.

What are looking for? The game to remove tools that people are using for both good and bad purposes? Any system can be gained and made toxic. You had stated earlier in this thread about DPS numbers. So those who use it for self improvement should not have the tools because others use it in ways you deem inappropriate? I wouldn't want that.

• addons are restricted or banned
• No DPS Sharing
  
• does NOT have built-in combat logs like ESO
• and players still clear all content

1. We’re not allowed to post a simple game screenshot on the forums if it shows another player’s name, all to avoid shaming and protect the CoC.
2. But in‑game, ZOS gives players every tool needed to create the exact shaming and gatekeeping they claim to prevent.