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Make Housing Mats Affordable
Hello! Over my time playing this game I witnessed housing mats get unnaturally inflated in price from 1-5 gp per, say, heartwood to over 500 per heartwood and for a lot of us it's become really hard to actually decorate houses or think about buying them. Therefore, I propose that the appropriate profession vendors sell the housing mats at 10 gp a pop as a market regulator. This will allow a lot more players to decorate houses and stimulate that part of the economy. ZoS stands to gain a lot too since more houses will be sold if people can afford to decorate them. As it stands, I don't think I will ever be able to decorate any house again, or buy one to decorate for that matter, with the prices being so ridiculously spendy.
Re: Make Housing Mats Affordable
The problem is the sheer amount of materials needed to build even the most rickety wall. You need a whole heap of heartwood stacks to even make anything decent. Not to mention the style pieces that go in some of them. What ZOS should do instead is lower the amount of resources needed to make anything. That in itself will cause the market prices to drop, as demand also drops.
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Re: U50 Spoiler Thread for Thieves Guild Questline
Overall, I think that the writing team did an amazing job at giving what many Breton-loving players desired out of a relevant Breton mage. Reading the related books and seeing the content regarding Sage Voernet fleshes out some of the early vagueness between Direnni and the Bretons, and touches upon that early Merethic and First Era lore for them.
I am still playing through the story to form a full opinion on him, but I do have one complaint which is his physical appearance. He is a huge figure in Breton lore, yet his attire is very generic and used by many other NPCs. The robes used here https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/689002/is-there-a-reason-this-outfit-is-still-unavailable
Now, I'd be fine if Voernet inspired a fashion trend used by people thousands of years later and it reflected in the costume's description once it finally releases. He was a Psijic Monk afterall and these robes tend to be used by generic monk NPCs.
However, Voernet has been with the Direnni (Meretic Era), the Psijic Order (1E 20), and at minimum he was around when Wayrest had nobility (1E 1100). He lived for a long time and could go with many different styles of clothing. Though I hope he is given something unique.
Though I would not mind if he leaned towards a look as the quintessential mage in terms of appearance, like the generic mage NPC from Arena
Or the one from Daggerfall
It also looks like Voernet uses the Guild's Eye Staff style
should probably be a different style since the mages guild was not founded till 2E 230, unless Voernet lived that long.
I am still playing through the story to form a full opinion on him, but I do have one complaint which is his physical appearance. He is a huge figure in Breton lore, yet his attire is very generic and used by many other NPCs. The robes used here https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/689002/is-there-a-reason-this-outfit-is-still-unavailable
Now, I'd be fine if Voernet inspired a fashion trend used by people thousands of years later and it reflected in the costume's description once it finally releases. He was a Psijic Monk afterall and these robes tend to be used by generic monk NPCs.
However, Voernet has been with the Direnni (Meretic Era), the Psijic Order (1E 20), and at minimum he was around when Wayrest had nobility (1E 1100). He lived for a long time and could go with many different styles of clothing. Though I hope he is given something unique.
Though I would not mind if he leaned towards a look as the quintessential mage in terms of appearance, like the generic mage NPC from Arena
Or the one from Daggerfall
It also looks like Voernet uses the Guild's Eye Staff style
should probably be a different style since the mages guild was not founded till 2E 230, unless Voernet lived that long.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
Can Shapeshifter's Chain and Salvation be modified to interact with the new Werewolf more? For instance, one of them could increase Fury generation, and another could remove the Ultimate drain in combat altogether. Currently, both sets have the same purpose — reducing the cost of Werewolf Transformation, which includes the drain each 10 seconds.
Shapeshifter's Chain as a 1 piece Mythic has the added bonus of reducing the cost of the rest of the Werewolf abilities, which is less useful now that all the Stamina abilities were made cheaper, but at least it's still useful for making the heal cheaper.
Salvation, on the other hand, is not worth 5 item slots in my opinion. Sure, it reduces the drain by one third, but that's only useful for solo Werewolf Berserkers, and since those are damage dealers, they need more than just 150 WD/SD for the 5 piece bonus. The 2-4 piece bonuses (2x Maximum Stamina, 1x Stamina Recovery) are also not ideal for a damage dealer setup.
Shapeshifter's Chain as a 1 piece Mythic has the added bonus of reducing the cost of the rest of the Werewolf abilities, which is less useful now that all the Stamina abilities were made cheaper, but at least it's still useful for making the heal cheaper.
Salvation, on the other hand, is not worth 5 item slots in my opinion. Sure, it reduces the drain by one third, but that's only useful for solo Werewolf Berserkers, and since those are damage dealers, they need more than just 150 WD/SD for the 5 piece bonus. The 2-4 piece bonuses (2x Maximum Stamina, 1x Stamina Recovery) are also not ideal for a damage dealer setup.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
Disable class passives, pure class passives and weapon passives like bow still work iirc for werewolf.
Instead, add werewolf specific passives we can choose from in the same way as pure class passives.
This way you can enjoy werewolf with any class.
Clearly there's too much conflict over class passives on werewolf, there shouldn't be one meta class for werewolves.. again.
Instead, add werewolf specific passives we can choose from in the same way as pure class passives.
This way you can enjoy werewolf with any class.
Clearly there's too much conflict over class passives on werewolf, there shouldn't be one meta class for werewolves.. again.
Re: companions need to be adjusted (challenge difficulty)
on vestige (or in general) they do way too much damage and dont loose nearly as much as I do. Seems like my companion is way stronger than me
I understand they are supposed to help us but I dont think they should make more damage or have more health than the player and I know they cant really play smart or roll dodge well if at all but at least reduce the values somewhat.
I do not particularly like that "in general" part. I do not care what gets buffed/nerfed on Vestige since I'm not going to use that mode (so I won't comment on that), but let's not nerf companions on regular (current) mode.
Re: Vampirism (NPCs and appearance)
The entire vampire skill line is trash and feels horrible to use. As someone that literally quit the game for over a year in response to the horrible vampire changes in update 26 /Greymoor, here are my thoughts on the current state of vampire:
Fix the appearance of the vampire ultimate:
The ultimate puts giant vampire clothing/jewelry on you, which is immersion breaking since I didn't have any of that on before I transformed (should at most be a loincloth, as your human clothing would stretch/tear and potentially remain on the larger vampire form around the waist). Ideally I would want a more realistic model, but the second best would be a ken doll or loincloth. All the fancy jewelry or other nonsense you want to throw onto the vampire ultimate's model, make it an optional skill style.
Flame Damage Debuff vs Undying Passive
+20% damage taken on the most common damage type in the game (flame) is just ridiculous. Why would I want to be a vampire when the difference between the undying passive (reduced damage taken when low health, AKA in execution threshold) and the stage 4 flame damage debuff is a net negative?
At that point, just delete the undying passive altogether and set the flame damage taken to 5%, then you'd be telling the truth instead of obfuscating just how bad being a vampire is.
Increased Cost To Non-Vampire Abilities
So the goal of this is to incentivize us to use vampire abilities? This just makes playing a vampire feel even more niche, like you cannot have any build diversity, and even then, no one wants to use the vampire abilities because they're just so bad (see below). This wouldn't need to exist if the vampire abilities were actually good/could even compete with the bottom 50% of other abilities from all the other skill lines in the game.
Eviscerate
1) Vampires traditionally have been Magicka build focused, same is true in Skyrim. So why is our only spammable a melee ranged attack that has a weak/low quality sound and visual effect/animation?
2) The ability and both morphs reward you for losing. This is horrible design.
3) One lets you change the spell cost to health, a rare thing in ESO, and a cool idea, but then it disables your ability to be healed by anyone other than yourself. That makes literally no sense, why can you still have your stamina/magicka restored by healers via abilities like Luminous Shards, Enchanted Growth, Druid's Resurgence scribing, etc after using a stamina or magicka ability? It's inconsistent logic and is arbitrarily being applied to only vampire and the only vampire themed mythic (Pale Order Ring).
*) I will say, the only good change was adding bleed status effect to this ability. I'd rather the entire ability be removed still and something completely different replace it, as this is just one of the most generic, unfun, and self-punishing abilities I've ever used.
Vampiric Drain
1) Removed the CC on the original Drain Essence ability
2) Remove the damage focused morph (accelerating drain's 0.7 second tick vs 1 second ticks) for a very weak tank oriented missing stamina restore morph
3) Rewards being low health/losing, but not even, since you just get deleted by Bloodthirsty traits and execution range abilities.
4) Resource restored scales with max health, so again just designed to incentivize tank builds, meanwhile you cannot tank as a vampire due to cost debuffs and damage taken debuffs.
5) Both morphs look nothing like blood/vampire theme. Just orange/black tether and a bright green tether, meanwhile only the base morph looks correct.
6) No interrupt protection, you walk slow, it's a 3 second channel, if interrupted it literally goes on cooldown.
*) This ability screams attack me, I cannot defend myself, I don't know how to build my character for PvP, and I'm in execution health range. I think it should stay in the future vampire kit, but only after HEAVY BUFFS.
Blood Frenzy
1) Involves a ton of micromanaging
2) Despite being off GCD, it still fails to toggle on and off very frequently, especially in PvP situations, many times being the cause for your death
3) Can be used on a bomber build to do stupid damage effectively bypassing the drawbacks of the health loss over time and not being able to be healed by anyone other than yourself
4) Sated fury morph allows you to sit outside of combat stacking up a massive full health restore burst heal that automatically activates when your health is low, this is not good for the game. If this was the intended design behind the vampire rework (stack up full heal sated fury, then gank someone, and spam Blood for Blood without being worried about health falling low to get the most of the damage bonus because you just instantly heal back to full) it's really complicated for new players to pull off, requires you to sit out of combat spamming self heals for about 74 seconds if stage 4 with a max health pool of 20k (so would take significantly longer if you had more health, and encourages your to decrease vampire stage so that the health cost is more, so that you ramp up the burst heal faster in PvP)/is disrupts to the normal flow of PvP combat...
*) I think this ability is unhealthy for the game, likely difficult to balance, and should be deleted. I think the Sated Fury morph is an interesting idea, perhaps if you get the full channel of Vampiric Drain, you could get a temporary buff that if your health would be reduced to 0, you instead restore like 15% of your max health, and that could happen up to once every 15 seconds? Maybe that could replace the undying passive, I don't know, but I do know this ability just makes the vampire experience feel bad. Also if any ability requires "cannot be healed by anyone other than yourself for x seconds", it should just be immediately deleted from the game, no one likes this limitation being in the game.
Mist Form
1) Give us back the toggle with damage reduction, it was a fun and useful ability, and different from Ball of Lightning. Now it's a significantly worse version of Sorcerer's Bolt Escape, and especially clunky when trying to cast on un-even terrain.
Mesmerize
1) Absolutely useless cc ability. Almost always fails to work in PvP due to desync/latency issues because it has the requirement of your enemy looking directly at you. Neither morphs offer anything that could compete with all the other significantly better class CC abilities.
*) One morph makes it an AoE, why? It's just so bad by default that increasing the AoE doesn't do anything... Why even give us mesmerize when we had Drain Essence as our cc... I'll never understand the Greymoor changes.
Sorry for all the hate, but reviewing all the vampire changes from update 26 just reminds me of how absolutely awful this all felt and why i quit the game for over a year back when Greymoor hit live with all of these changes bad changes. Even after all this time, the vampire is still so absolutely bad. I really hope we can get the same quality/time/attention as the werewolves and dragon knights have received.
Fix the appearance of the vampire ultimate:
The ultimate puts giant vampire clothing/jewelry on you, which is immersion breaking since I didn't have any of that on before I transformed (should at most be a loincloth, as your human clothing would stretch/tear and potentially remain on the larger vampire form around the waist). Ideally I would want a more realistic model, but the second best would be a ken doll or loincloth. All the fancy jewelry or other nonsense you want to throw onto the vampire ultimate's model, make it an optional skill style.
Flame Damage Debuff vs Undying Passive
+20% damage taken on the most common damage type in the game (flame) is just ridiculous. Why would I want to be a vampire when the difference between the undying passive (reduced damage taken when low health, AKA in execution threshold) and the stage 4 flame damage debuff is a net negative?
At that point, just delete the undying passive altogether and set the flame damage taken to 5%, then you'd be telling the truth instead of obfuscating just how bad being a vampire is.
Increased Cost To Non-Vampire Abilities
So the goal of this is to incentivize us to use vampire abilities? This just makes playing a vampire feel even more niche, like you cannot have any build diversity, and even then, no one wants to use the vampire abilities because they're just so bad (see below). This wouldn't need to exist if the vampire abilities were actually good/could even compete with the bottom 50% of other abilities from all the other skill lines in the game.
Eviscerate
1) Vampires traditionally have been Magicka build focused, same is true in Skyrim. So why is our only spammable a melee ranged attack that has a weak/low quality sound and visual effect/animation?
2) The ability and both morphs reward you for losing. This is horrible design.
3) One lets you change the spell cost to health, a rare thing in ESO, and a cool idea, but then it disables your ability to be healed by anyone other than yourself. That makes literally no sense, why can you still have your stamina/magicka restored by healers via abilities like Luminous Shards, Enchanted Growth, Druid's Resurgence scribing, etc after using a stamina or magicka ability? It's inconsistent logic and is arbitrarily being applied to only vampire and the only vampire themed mythic (Pale Order Ring).
*) I will say, the only good change was adding bleed status effect to this ability. I'd rather the entire ability be removed still and something completely different replace it, as this is just one of the most generic, unfun, and self-punishing abilities I've ever used.
Vampiric Drain
1) Removed the CC on the original Drain Essence ability
2) Remove the damage focused morph (accelerating drain's 0.7 second tick vs 1 second ticks) for a very weak tank oriented missing stamina restore morph
3) Rewards being low health/losing, but not even, since you just get deleted by Bloodthirsty traits and execution range abilities.
4) Resource restored scales with max health, so again just designed to incentivize tank builds, meanwhile you cannot tank as a vampire due to cost debuffs and damage taken debuffs.
5) Both morphs look nothing like blood/vampire theme. Just orange/black tether and a bright green tether, meanwhile only the base morph looks correct.
6) No interrupt protection, you walk slow, it's a 3 second channel, if interrupted it literally goes on cooldown.
*) This ability screams attack me, I cannot defend myself, I don't know how to build my character for PvP, and I'm in execution health range. I think it should stay in the future vampire kit, but only after HEAVY BUFFS.
Blood Frenzy
1) Involves a ton of micromanaging
2) Despite being off GCD, it still fails to toggle on and off very frequently, especially in PvP situations, many times being the cause for your death
3) Can be used on a bomber build to do stupid damage effectively bypassing the drawbacks of the health loss over time and not being able to be healed by anyone other than yourself
4) Sated fury morph allows you to sit outside of combat stacking up a massive full health restore burst heal that automatically activates when your health is low, this is not good for the game. If this was the intended design behind the vampire rework (stack up full heal sated fury, then gank someone, and spam Blood for Blood without being worried about health falling low to get the most of the damage bonus because you just instantly heal back to full) it's really complicated for new players to pull off, requires you to sit out of combat spamming self heals for about 74 seconds if stage 4 with a max health pool of 20k (so would take significantly longer if you had more health, and encourages your to decrease vampire stage so that the health cost is more, so that you ramp up the burst heal faster in PvP)/is disrupts to the normal flow of PvP combat...
*) I think this ability is unhealthy for the game, likely difficult to balance, and should be deleted. I think the Sated Fury morph is an interesting idea, perhaps if you get the full channel of Vampiric Drain, you could get a temporary buff that if your health would be reduced to 0, you instead restore like 15% of your max health, and that could happen up to once every 15 seconds? Maybe that could replace the undying passive, I don't know, but I do know this ability just makes the vampire experience feel bad. Also if any ability requires "cannot be healed by anyone other than yourself for x seconds", it should just be immediately deleted from the game, no one likes this limitation being in the game.
Mist Form
1) Give us back the toggle with damage reduction, it was a fun and useful ability, and different from Ball of Lightning. Now it's a significantly worse version of Sorcerer's Bolt Escape, and especially clunky when trying to cast on un-even terrain.
Mesmerize
1) Absolutely useless cc ability. Almost always fails to work in PvP due to desync/latency issues because it has the requirement of your enemy looking directly at you. Neither morphs offer anything that could compete with all the other significantly better class CC abilities.
*) One morph makes it an AoE, why? It's just so bad by default that increasing the AoE doesn't do anything... Why even give us mesmerize when we had Drain Essence as our cc... I'll never understand the Greymoor changes.
Sorry for all the hate, but reviewing all the vampire changes from update 26 just reminds me of how absolutely awful this all felt and why i quit the game for over a year back when Greymoor hit live with all of these changes bad changes. Even after all this time, the vampire is still so absolutely bad. I really hope we can get the same quality/time/attention as the werewolves and dragon knights have received.
