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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
After actually skimming through most of the thread and reading a few posts, can we like...not automatically call for nerfs on something that's been in testing for a whole two days? Maybe we could try, I don't know, asking ZOS to change the damage the Skills do vs players like with some other Skills out there.
For one, how many unique builds are there to even test against in the PTS? How can you reliably test if something is 'too strong' if there's only a fraction of the people in the PTS compared to Live and even less of a fraction of those people are doing stuff in Cyro? If you're facing the same handful of people that have no real variation in build, then things are going to come across as skewed. And if we're talking a duel against one person, that's such a miniscule sample size it might as well not even exist.
Second, it's a giant rampaging monster, it stands to reason it's doing to do a decent amount of damage. You know how in PvE the higher-end content it's often recommended to carry a couple of different Gear Sets and Skill Bar loadouts so you can swap depending on the situation? Why not have the same thing for WW? Why not adapt some and have a Skill or two on your backbar to help with Snares or other CC to run out a WW's Ult? Idk about Pack Leader but for Berserker, WW form drops FAST if you don't have things around to constantly munch on. But isn't that whole "adapt evolve overcome" or however it goes meme always what people throw around when others bring up complaints or concerns about something?
Third, I keep seeing people say "oh but a 1bar build shouldn't be able to do as much damage as a 2bar build" and I genuinely don't understand that logic. Yes, 2bar builds take more effort, you need to upkeep this or that more, micromanage more buffs or whatever, but at the same time locking people out of doing actual good damage because they have more fun with something that's easier to run baffles me. A lot of people have any number of reasons why 1bar builds are more accessible, and it just doesn't sit right with me that those people should get told "you're not doing as much work as me you don't get to do as much damage". Plus I mean, you're giving up build variation and any number of things when you go 1bar, you have to pick and choose carefully what you're going to put on your bar. You have less freedom.
WW doing a lot of damage on a 1bar build a) makes it accessible to people who have issues (such as anything related to chronic pain or injuries or slow/bad internet) that make a 2bar build largely impossible, and b) again, it's a rampaging monster brought about by a curse of a God-like being. Of course it's gonna hit hard. WW has been in such an awful state for so long, I'd really like for it not to get neutered again before it hits Live.
All that said, I forgot to mention in my other post but I like the WW markings, including the glow. I can see how other people don't like it, though, and it is a bit of a weird design choice to make them have glowing marks when afaik there's never been any kind of WW in any of the TES games that have glowy marks on them. I'd say jusr make variants of the WW Skill Styles that don't have the glowing marks.
Also, I know the Patch Notes said there's no unique animation for the Prowl mechanic, and there is the big ole eye in the middle of the screen, but...is there really no way to give WWs some sort of crouched animation? Like it doesn't even have to be tied to the Prowl mechanic, just SOME sort of change in posture to indicate implied sneakiness.
For one, how many unique builds are there to even test against in the PTS? How can you reliably test if something is 'too strong' if there's only a fraction of the people in the PTS compared to Live and even less of a fraction of those people are doing stuff in Cyro? If you're facing the same handful of people that have no real variation in build, then things are going to come across as skewed. And if we're talking a duel against one person, that's such a miniscule sample size it might as well not even exist.
Second, it's a giant rampaging monster, it stands to reason it's doing to do a decent amount of damage. You know how in PvE the higher-end content it's often recommended to carry a couple of different Gear Sets and Skill Bar loadouts so you can swap depending on the situation? Why not have the same thing for WW? Why not adapt some and have a Skill or two on your backbar to help with Snares or other CC to run out a WW's Ult? Idk about Pack Leader but for Berserker, WW form drops FAST if you don't have things around to constantly munch on. But isn't that whole "adapt evolve overcome" or however it goes meme always what people throw around when others bring up complaints or concerns about something?
Third, I keep seeing people say "oh but a 1bar build shouldn't be able to do as much damage as a 2bar build" and I genuinely don't understand that logic. Yes, 2bar builds take more effort, you need to upkeep this or that more, micromanage more buffs or whatever, but at the same time locking people out of doing actual good damage because they have more fun with something that's easier to run baffles me. A lot of people have any number of reasons why 1bar builds are more accessible, and it just doesn't sit right with me that those people should get told "you're not doing as much work as me you don't get to do as much damage". Plus I mean, you're giving up build variation and any number of things when you go 1bar, you have to pick and choose carefully what you're going to put on your bar. You have less freedom.
WW doing a lot of damage on a 1bar build a) makes it accessible to people who have issues (such as anything related to chronic pain or injuries or slow/bad internet) that make a 2bar build largely impossible, and b) again, it's a rampaging monster brought about by a curse of a God-like being. Of course it's gonna hit hard. WW has been in such an awful state for so long, I'd really like for it not to get neutered again before it hits Live.
All that said, I forgot to mention in my other post but I like the WW markings, including the glow. I can see how other people don't like it, though, and it is a bit of a weird design choice to make them have glowing marks when afaik there's never been any kind of WW in any of the TES games that have glowy marks on them. I'd say jusr make variants of the WW Skill Styles that don't have the glowing marks.
Also, I know the Patch Notes said there's no unique animation for the Prowl mechanic, and there is the big ole eye in the middle of the screen, but...is there really no way to give WWs some sort of crouched animation? Like it doesn't even have to be tied to the Prowl mechanic, just SOME sort of change in posture to indicate implied sneakiness.
Arunei
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Re: Werewolf Update From The Combat Refresh Team
I see an improvement but I would try to re-work face and fix the haircut a bit
Re: Werewolf Update From The Combat Refresh Team
TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Remove the Dewclaw, no other Werewolf has it, even the Werewolf Behemoth does not have it
it is a visual inconsistency.
Update the Werewolf Behemoth to have the dew claw.
Re: Dev deep dive request- the music and music players and singers of tamriel
Umbracat449 wrote: »"After 12 years in Tamriel, we are in the process of modernizing
Please no!
More variety in the vein of what we already have?
Great!
Modernization of the music?
Not so great.
Re: Fashion Megathread
Most of my characters tend to gravitate towards really simple fashion, like a basic costume that I feel easily fits into a civilian setting. Nothing over the top or creative but definitely fits the bill for me.
My possibly Sheo-touched "Oracle" character:
My possibly Sheo-touched "Oracle" character:
Re: Tower and Keep Runners
Yeah, honestly, I'd just ignore them. Be mindful that they're out there but not much can be done to stop them. If something isn't worth doing in PvP, I don't do it.
Vulkunne
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Re: Should Female Werewolves Have Small Chest Bumps?
As a woman, I don't think female WWs need to have breasts. When people transform they lose certain aspects of their human forms, and wolves don't naturally have breasts. They're just fat and I can imagine them getting lost amongst the musculature that would form around the chest and shoulders.
Respectfully, breasts are most definitely NOT just fat, that's mildly concerning to me to hear. Mammal breasts (wolves would have six teets and I'm grateful our werewolves don't have this LOL) are also not just fat, but are actual functioning glands and organs with lots of stuff going on. I'm not a scientist, but the proper term is 'mammary glands' for a reason. And both humans and wolves are still mammals.
I won't get into opinions, I'm not here to argue with anyone about it, but seeing something factually incorrect about our core biology did pain me a bit and I felt the need to address it.
coop500
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how to overcome pvp anxiety.
I noticed one thing in pvp over the years is pvp anxiety and I want to let people know who is anxious of pvp to not worry about dying in pvp. I know there are clips out there of people 1vX and such (which a lot of those are fake and staged) and wanted to let people know who are either new to pvp or scared to pvp its ok if you die in it. There is no penalty for dying in pvp (unless irs IC with telvar but even then you should be banking it every now and then).You don't even need to have a pvp build to be good in pvp. Sure while it may seem intimidating to go into pvp not able to damage players as high as others, as someone that has been doing pvp for over 10 years while doing the main game we do appreciate any kind of help from others. Unlike pvm there isn't a dps threshold, have fun in pvp. 99% of pvpers in all types of pvp don't even have a pvp build and aren't good at it.
Infact you being there is more help than staying behind. Its not just support of helping against other players but it also gives a morale boost to veteran pvpers and new ones together. Infact there is a multitude of ways you are helping by being there. You are helping intimidate the enemy. For example a lone ganker wont attack if there is more than one other player. You giving even a little damage can be a difference of your teammate or faction winning the fight or losing it. There has been numerous times where I 1hped someone and they managed to kill me and they survived because I was by myself. When i do have someone whos not even grouped up with me has helped me takeout that one guy with 1 hp every time and I didn't even get low on hp. Numbers intimidate the enemy. I've seen them run just because a second person was there even if they did nothing.
Also heres a few other ways you can contribute to help without feeling like you are harming your faction other than just being there. 1) Buffing allies, you don't even understand how much this helps, its more important than you'd even think about it. 2) Healing all around you, we all appreciate a medic, can be the difference of losing a fight or winning. 3) Charging into battle, even if you die you can just respawn nearby, you either helped get the other person killed or create a distraction that would punish the enemy more than you think, 4) Using counter siege in cyro, this helps so much, don't just use catapults, infact there is a ton of unique things you can use with siege to help. Even if that means making a keep get flagged and running will divert the enemies. Also using siege to take out other siege helps out a lot and I don't just mean oils. Ballistas are great at taking out other siege weapons, defensive trebuchets can be more devastating than oils in a keep, especially since you can hide behind keep walls with them and hit over. It will either force enemies even st longer ranges to move or take massive damage. 5) Especially for pvm tanks, be the front lines like you would in pvm and tank the enemies. This helps out more than you think. Being the damage sponge even not in a group random nearby players helps so much.
So don't worry if you aren't good in pvp, 99% of pvpers aren't even good in pvp, we all just go in blindly and start swinging till we hit something. Also ignore the toxic players. They are usually larpers who believe this is a real war. Have fun and experiment with abilities.
Also bonus siege tip for cyro: Different siege types do different things, so don't just use meatbag catapults, others help out as well, meatbags just slow down healing but oil will snare the enemies (and yes I have killed someone with an oil catapult) and scatter shot also makes enemies lose resistances and stays on the ground. Lightning and Ice ballistas also help out a ton, not just fire. Most people especially vampires usually have fire resistance enchantments on their jewelry, so these others can help. The stone versions also do more damage to other siege weapons and structures more. Trebuchets hit father and can snipe keeps. Experiment a bit and don't just stick to a single type.
Infact you being there is more help than staying behind. Its not just support of helping against other players but it also gives a morale boost to veteran pvpers and new ones together. Infact there is a multitude of ways you are helping by being there. You are helping intimidate the enemy. For example a lone ganker wont attack if there is more than one other player. You giving even a little damage can be a difference of your teammate or faction winning the fight or losing it. There has been numerous times where I 1hped someone and they managed to kill me and they survived because I was by myself. When i do have someone whos not even grouped up with me has helped me takeout that one guy with 1 hp every time and I didn't even get low on hp. Numbers intimidate the enemy. I've seen them run just because a second person was there even if they did nothing.
Also heres a few other ways you can contribute to help without feeling like you are harming your faction other than just being there. 1) Buffing allies, you don't even understand how much this helps, its more important than you'd even think about it. 2) Healing all around you, we all appreciate a medic, can be the difference of losing a fight or winning. 3) Charging into battle, even if you die you can just respawn nearby, you either helped get the other person killed or create a distraction that would punish the enemy more than you think, 4) Using counter siege in cyro, this helps so much, don't just use catapults, infact there is a ton of unique things you can use with siege to help. Even if that means making a keep get flagged and running will divert the enemies. Also using siege to take out other siege helps out a lot and I don't just mean oils. Ballistas are great at taking out other siege weapons, defensive trebuchets can be more devastating than oils in a keep, especially since you can hide behind keep walls with them and hit over. It will either force enemies even st longer ranges to move or take massive damage. 5) Especially for pvm tanks, be the front lines like you would in pvm and tank the enemies. This helps out more than you think. Being the damage sponge even not in a group random nearby players helps so much.
So don't worry if you aren't good in pvp, 99% of pvpers aren't even good in pvp, we all just go in blindly and start swinging till we hit something. Also ignore the toxic players. They are usually larpers who believe this is a real war. Have fun and experiment with abilities.
Also bonus siege tip for cyro: Different siege types do different things, so don't just use meatbag catapults, others help out as well, meatbags just slow down healing but oil will snare the enemies (and yes I have killed someone with an oil catapult) and scatter shot also makes enemies lose resistances and stays on the ground. Lightning and Ice ballistas also help out a ton, not just fire. Most people especially vampires usually have fire resistance enchantments on their jewelry, so these others can help. The stone versions also do more damage to other siege weapons and structures more. Trebuchets hit father and can snipe keeps. Experiment a bit and don't just stick to a single type.
Re: Nerf to Ansuul’s, Tide-born, and Velothi is gutting my Arcanist build
Those are literally my 3 main set items I run all together on my Arcanist. Who else is in the same boat? Any thoughts and suggestions? Discuss
Any nerf to beam builds is welcome and deserved, what's bad about it?
Prionyx
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Re: I'm tired of soloing all the time.
killians66 wrote: »SheepdogPaladin wrote: »AcadianPaladin wrote: »A large chunk of the player base prefers solo play so one must be careful not to drive us away. ESO is quite solo friendly - if it was not, I'd be gone.
I wanted to chime in and agree. I've been soloing in MMOs for decades and I always solo. I have no problem with providing various kinds of content that caters to grouping, raiding, guilds, etc. Just please don't make ESO solo-unfriendly as that would make me abandon this game entirely, and I've been playing on and off since inception.
Then why aren't you just playing Skyrim on you own single player computer?
Based on some of your replies, I can see where the problem truly lies, and it's not with the other players of ESO.
