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Re: Vengeance ruleset for Dungeons/Etc.
spartaxoxo wrote: »ESO_player123 wrote: »I won't comment on the PvP side of things since I do not PvP, but let's not pretend that this thread is anything other than a "we might suffer so they should too" type of thread.
As was mentioned in one of the posts above, this is a direct response to the recent Vengeance thread and to the concern that Scenario #2 is the future of PvP.
Bingo. It's a non-starter anyway because PvE does not have anywhere close to the performance issues of Cyrodiil. And PvP players have been making it clear for years that fixing performance should be their top priority. They tried for years to do just that so it's not surprising that their tests revealed that certain solutions simply aren't feasible.
Suffer? I’d like the option to have access to a better performing game in PvE and ZOS has the answer.
SneaK
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Re: Vengeance ruleset for Dungeons/Etc.
Lag and gear are completely separate. The tests in Cyrodiil are all about server performance not player performance. There is some lag in trials and other similar content and it would be nice if that could be fixed. If you can't do the content now though you probably wouldn't be able to do it with a template.
Nothing requires 100k DPS to finish. If all DPS in the group can average 30K DPS and the group understands the mechanics you can make it through all content. You aren't going to make the leader boards but you can do the content.
Vengeance doesn't mean all of a sudden you are going to be competitive in PvP even if you have the same gear. Part of the problem with PvP is all the calculations that have to be made with cross heals, multiple AOE and all kinds of other stuff. Trials are limited to 12 players while PvP can have much more than that. PvP has many more calculations to make.
PvE could probably (I'm guessing) be helped with less effects going off?
PvE is nowhere near as laggy and unstable as PvP probably more than 90% of the time. Would be nice to have better server performance in trials and dungeons. Still either way even if ZoS did put you in a template build it won't mean much towards completion. I have a build where players are showing 110K DPS on a dummy and using that same build I'm lucky to push 60K. Just having the template won't mean much if your rotation isn't on point.
And for the most part the PvP crowd wants to be able to use all their available builds and sets. They want more diversity than what Vengeance provides.
All I’m asking for is for the dev team to bring Vengeance to PvE, since it’s saved Cyrodiil from lag.
Being in an even playing field with endgame PvErs is just a bonus.
SneaK
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Re: Vengeance ruleset for Dungeons/Etc.
That’s off topic, this is about lag and how vengeance would fix lag in PvE just like it will in Cyrodiil. I remember years ago we tried Maw but the final boss was too laggy to finish. Vengeance pve would fix that.
In turn, many more players could experience these parts of the game.
Yes sir, my apologies.
Perhaps when Orsinium crashed every time we traveled there, a Vengeance answer could have worked splendid.
Re: Vengeance ruleset for Dungeons/Etc.
TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Vengeance also removes things like Craft bag and quests from Cyrodiil.
Imagine what would happen if PvE, you know the 99% of the game had 99% of it's content removed and nobody could do quests, daily writs, had their painfully grinded sets removed, their craft bag empty and forcefully had their vampirism and lycanthrope characters made normal.
But it would stop the lag right? And I could still complete the content/achievements.
Not under vengeance you couldn't, this is a PvE game not a PvP game, PvP is just the optional versus mode.
Why not? Are you saying the new Vengenace ENHANCEMENT in PvP won’t be tracking achievements when it goes live?
I understand it was just a TEST, but I assumed when they make it live and replace Cyrodiil with it, it would allow character progression like achievements(?). If that’s the case, then why not offer this for PvE, and in doing so fix the lag?
I lagged out at the final boss in White Gold tower many years ago, been too gunshy to even return. Would be nice to have it fixed. Feel like Vengeance PvE could be the answer.
SneaK
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Re: Sheogorath as a one-dimensional character
I’m concerned by how many cheese references are in the patch notes. I think I will do this questline this week and will report if I am in despair or if the cheese is balanced out by good writing.
Soarora
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Re: WHY Force Vengeance!!!
WHY are we forced to participate in Vengeance and not have another campaign to play in!?
Welp, looks like BGs/Imp City for a week!
They have to remove normal cyrodiil as an option because nobody will play vengeance if they have a real PvP option.
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
Despite of pretty much all people hating it(the loud ones) the campaign is full of people and it's very very fun
Yeah, because we have no choice. There is no other Cyrodiil aside Vengeance. The one time they did test Vengeance parallel to Grey Host, Vengeance was a ghost town.
And with Update 50 Vengeance will also be just the waiting room for the massive Queues on Grey Host, because they deleted 3 campaigns. So it will have huge population, but not because they want to play there, only because they wait for the actual PvP Queue.
L_Nici
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Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
I mean a link to show the original intent for Vengeance was to discover and fix some elusive issue in existing Cyrodiil.
It's pretty obvious right from the start that the intent was to rebuild Cyrodiil PvP in a way that would allow large populations.
We might have hoped they'd gotten a lot closer to what is live right now before performance started to degrade, but evidently that's not the case.
If they conclude that Vengeance is now about as complicated as they can make the game, that just means over the past 10 years what they added to the game vastly exceeded capacity of the infrastructure.
If anyone wants to be angry with ZOS over something, that would be it. Not that they're finally stop promising what they cannot deliver.
My main issue here is that there are a great many things ZOS has been asked to do to make PvP in Cyrodiil a better experience and they did not make a single change.
This is what many people are angry about because the lack of effort makes it seem like ZOS had planned Vengeance from the start and used the excuse of performance monitoring to justify ramming in through.
Re: Inventory is Excessive Micro-Management
wolfie1.0. wrote: »To the OP, one option is to obtain a few more accounts at base game. Especially during sales, they can be pretty cheap. Get up to at least 10. Then start a guild with a bank. To me its worth the investment and takes the bite from not having plus.
So, inventory is hard to manage and the suggestion is to get 10 accounts to manage?
A shadow passed over Tamriel
On March 7th in the real world, my wife of 40+ years, soul mate, and best friend, known to Tamriel as @EACo2, passed away. A few of my fellow guild members know, but I've largely kept this to myself. If you should see @EACo2 in the game, know that it is me because I can't let go of the toons she loved to play.
She wasn't a stellar player, and sometimes people in the community played gate keeper on her. Fortunately that was not the general case, but the incidents that did happen made it so she wouldn't participate in many things, particularly dungeons. So, much of her time was just spent doing crafting and occasionally I could get her to join me in content that I could solo, such as City of Ash I.
To the guilds that took her along on trials. Thank you very much. I wish she could have gotten to know you as I have and that you could have gotten to know her better.
To those the helped her along the way, thank you. We started playing ESO when it became available on Stadia. Then COVID came along and confined us to our home. Tamriel became our escape from the confines of the four walls, as I'm sure it was for many of you. Her failing health due to chronic conditions kept her confined at home and Tamriel was her escape.
While she hated doing PVP content, there was one Mayhem where we got riding roughshod with a group across Cyrodiil and she actually had a good time.
To the staff of Bethesda/ZOS, thank you for creating a game where we could once again play roles beyond our daily lives. We met playing D&D, so you can see how your game came to be so big a part of our lives for the last several years.
Best regard,
@Q'warx
She wasn't a stellar player, and sometimes people in the community played gate keeper on her. Fortunately that was not the general case, but the incidents that did happen made it so she wouldn't participate in many things, particularly dungeons. So, much of her time was just spent doing crafting and occasionally I could get her to join me in content that I could solo, such as City of Ash I.
To the guilds that took her along on trials. Thank you very much. I wish she could have gotten to know you as I have and that you could have gotten to know her better.
To those the helped her along the way, thank you. We started playing ESO when it became available on Stadia. Then COVID came along and confined us to our home. Tamriel became our escape from the confines of the four walls, as I'm sure it was for many of you. Her failing health due to chronic conditions kept her confined at home and Tamriel was her escape.
While she hated doing PVP content, there was one Mayhem where we got riding roughshod with a group across Cyrodiil and she actually had a good time.
To the staff of Bethesda/ZOS, thank you for creating a game where we could once again play roles beyond our daily lives. We met playing D&D, so you can see how your game came to be so big a part of our lives for the last several years.
Best regard,
@Q'warx
Qwarx
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