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Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
moderatelyfatman wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »The elephant in the room nobody is talking about:
If ZOS can't make normal live Cyrodiil work properly they can't make vengeance work properly either.
I mean if a team that doesn't know about pvp develops a pvp mode of course it attracts players that don't know about pvp.
It does seem that it's the same people that call ToT PvP are developing vengeance.
By the same measure: there's better PvP in this forum than in Vengeance.
Agreed.
reazea
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Re: Why is Naj-Caldeesh so grossly overtuned in normal?
Ordinator199 wrote: »Oh no, a normal dungeon I can't blast through as bow wielding heavy attacking dragonknight, who qued as a healer. Nerffffffff plzzzzzz
You didn't read any of the comments from experienced players in this thread, did you? Of course we have here some people who think dungeons are easy and surely got Coral Caretaker solo by the way they're talking, but if you pay attention to reasonable experienced players the point is: the dungeons should be on similar level on the same difficulty. This is not the case. I am sure you can solo nN-C just using your toes while simultaneously completing Sekiro no hit run with your hands, but the fact still is that nN-C is closer to earlier veteran dungeons than any dungeon on normal.
Re: Let's tidy up the numbers a bit
You are mathematically wrong. Do not spread further misinformation.Effective Hit Points are irrelevent outside of a spreadsheet.
Build #1 has 30k HP and 0 Armor, this is 30k EHP.
Build #2 has 30k HP and 30k Armor, this is about 60k EHP.
Against build #1, my burst combo deals a lethal 30k damage in 3 hits.
Against build #2, my burst now only deals 15k in 3 hits, meaning I need 6 hits to kill it.
Double the EHP = double the effective damage needed to kill it. This is how EHP works.
If you don't think this is relevant, then I guess I am just sorry for you.
xylena
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Re: 🚨Werewolf NERFS Incoming on PTS Week 3🚨
I will not continue this further here but advise that you’ll need to understand what the terms ‘burden of proof’ and ‘controlled test’ (can use Gemini if you need a quick breakdown) mean to grasp what is being discussed before you visit.
Funny how Gemini is now disagreeing with you HUH
Worked fine for me but you’re clearly not willing to engage in meaningful discussion despite all evidence provided to you. You’re simply ‘strawman-ing’ the convo my friend. You can see the time on my screenshot so have an amazing and wonderful rest of your night (say whatever you need to while I sleppp).
Anyways since it also seems merited,
‘Controlled test’ depends on application and I’m neither typing out ‘for ESO’ info, info, info so you can completely and disingenuously disregard it so take the good ol’ ‘in gaming’ and go crazy with the ‘straw man’ here too.
hoangdz
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Re: 🚨Werewolf NERFS Incoming on PTS Week 3🚨
We did what WW players asked and removed the class mastery passives, and still achieved 6k-7k DPS on the new WW, while having 6k+ HPS and 40k+ HP. We compared those values to the current best class on the live server (DK), and determined that PTS WW is indeed overperforming (live server DK does not have all 3. They can have 7k DPS with 6k HPS, but not 40k HP, or 6k HPS and 40k HP, but not 7k DPS.).
This is as much objective evidence as it can get. It is now YOUR responsibility to refute our claim with YOUR evidence. Replicate the same data we had, first by fighting the same players, then by fighting us. Then we can come to the actual conclusion whether it's a WW issue or a skill issue.
This is as much objective evidence as it can get. It is now YOUR responsibility to refute our claim with YOUR evidence. Replicate the same data we had, first by fighting the same players, then by fighting us. Then we can come to the actual conclusion whether it's a WW issue or a skill issue.
hoangdz
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Re: Let's tidy up the numbers a bit
Common misconception, convert to Effective Hit Points to see what is really going on. For example, 99% DR is a whole 10x order of magnitude stronger than 90% DR, not a mere 9%.Damage mitigation is multiplactive, and so has diminishing returns
EHP = HP / (1-DR) which becomes EHP = HP / (1-(Armor/66000))
Above, the scale on the left is the added % EHP multiplier from Armor. IIRC DR = Armor/66000 is an approximation, no idea if this is what is coded, other games like Warframe use a forumla that results in a linear Armor vs DR relationship. You can see that you have double (+100%) your original EHP at 33k armor, which is effectively the same TTK as from halving incoming damage.
Below is a graph of the relationship between your damage buff from 15k Pen, and enemy Armor values that affect it (input different Pen values and get a different curve).
The inflection points are where the enemy is no longer being fully penetrated, and where you run into the Armor cap. If you fight an enemy above the Armor cap, some of your Pen is being completely negated, because reducing 40k Armor to 33k Armor doesn't actually change their DR. Anyway tl;dr this is why stacked Armor or stacked Pen are so strong in PvP.
When videogames have to turn into this kind of discussion on the forums for players to even understand what is happening in the game they've been playing for years...
Lots of esoteric knowledge that is not communicated by the game and instead requires the community to make it comprehensible.
I have an okay understanding of the numbers in this game but that's after forcing myself to memorize data from Skinnycheeks, and even so I have no idea what the heck is being said in this.
I think this just supports OPs point.
Malyore
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Re: Exp scrolls don't work for antiquities, so please increase the points earned
Ordinator199 wrote: »They should at the very least double it, and cut psijic quest line in half, and double the exp you get in dark brotherhood/thieves heists/quests.
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And that you can buy instant max level from crown store for alts is such a blatant cash grab.
This is one which has puzzled me for a while. The Fighters, Mages, Undaunted, Thieves, and Dark Brotherhood all use similar "reputation point" progression systems, so the underlying system is pretty much identical but they differ in details. Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood use the guild stories as the zone story progression, awarding skill points along the way. Aside from that, complete a story mission and get some reputation points, noting that the Undaunted has no story and Mages Guild gives no points for its stories.
Complete a daily, get some points. DB contracts are +5 (+10 if a murder spree), Thieves Guild jobs board is +5 (+10 if you do all three bits), Spencer Rye's daily is +10, Bolgrul's is +10, Dark Anchors are +10, and Uncle Sheo's stuff is +10 (+15 for the first time in each dungeon). Heists are +10 (+20 if finished within the time limit). Dark Sacraments are +5 (+10 for any side objectives, but +15 for all objectives).
I kind of understand why the Mages and Fighters rank/progression structure works the way it does. Lore books and the stuff you find at Dark Anchors give points and there is a lot of that floating around. Almost 300 lorebooks at +5 each, plus +20 for completing a collection. But there isn't a whole lot of consistency among the others on how much time and effort are required to progress ranks.
I disagree on the cash-grab claim, though. This is basically you saying "I don't wanna have to do the grind again" and ZOS saying, "OK, fork over some crowns and you don't have to. The skill points are on you, though." That's not a grab, per se, because if it weren't there (and it wasn't until about 2019 or maybe later), you'd still have players saying "I will open my wallet for you. Just let me buy the skill line." Personally, I think this runs dangerously close to pay-to-win, but it's only a "cash grab" because players demanded to be allowed to fork over their cash and it took five or more years before ZOS said, "OK, we'll take your money."
Re: 14 hour maintenance on Monday? Did I read that right?
SwordOfSagas wrote: »That might give me the chance to go touch grass and enter that terrible place known as outside!
NOOO!!! You are too young to die!
I heard outside there is this ting called sun that gives you cancer! There are even insects and worst of all you may meet people!
Silaf
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Re: 🚨Werewolf NERFS Incoming on PTS Week 3🚨
I will not continue this further here but advise that you’ll need to understand what the terms ‘burden of proof’ and ‘controlled test’ (can use Gemini if you need a quick breakdown) mean to grasp what is being discussed before you visit.
Funny how Gemini is now disagreeing with you HUH
Worked fine for me but you’re clearly not willing to engage in meaningful discussion despite all evidence provided to you. You’re simply ‘strawman-ing’ the convo my friend. You can see the time on my screenshot so have an amazing and wonderful rest of your night (say whatever you need to while I sleppp).
Anyways since it also seems merited,
‘Controlled test’ depends on application and I’m neither typing out ‘for ESO’ info, info, info so you can completely and disingenuously disregard it so take the good ol’ ‘in gaming’ and go crazy with the ‘straw man’ here too.
Wuuffyy
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Re: 🚨Werewolf NERFS Incoming on PTS Week 3🚨
I will not continue this further here but advise that you’ll need to understand what the terms ‘burden of proof’ and ‘controlled test’ (can use Gemini if you need a quick breakdown) mean to grasp what is being discussed before you visit.
Funny how Gemini is now disagreeing with you HUH
hoangdz
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