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Chest: The Recollection Jack
Hands: Y'ffre's Will Gloves
Waist: The Recollection Belt
Legs: Scorianite Gladiator Guards
Feet: Y'ffre's Will Boots

I am a ten year player who has all but quit PvP. I still do play it and I dont even know why (I am PvP too). The more I see what's happening there, the more disgusted I become. It is no longer PvP. It is Skill Line vs Skill line (Subclassing disaster). It is cherry picking without rules or consequences. It is an absolute out of control meta (in PvE too). It is out of control cherry picked buffs. It is out of control dps (In PvE too). It is a 1 shot stop for new players. It is a neon sign that says 'This is not in any way fun or fair whatsoever" Nearly everyone I game with has for one reason or another quit and there are many. I think this number is growing. I think the developers know this and can see it.

I think there are certain limitations to what they (the developers) can do. There is also a lot of time required to undertake changes such as a new PvP area. This game has far outlasted its original PvP design and I have no doubt there are unintended consequences involved in this on the developer side. This isn't entirely their fault. It would not be this bad if they removed Subclassing either (which is the same thing as enforcing rules on the developer side).

It is far far beyond time to stop nerfing our characters and gear. Or changing them after the fact to suit PvP. Or attempting to sabotage characters before they're even created or released to accommodate PvP. This has only and will only continue to drive players away and discourage new players from engaging in it.

Every time something new and fun comes out, here comes the hammer from PvP. Or the misuse of its intended purpose (exploit). This, everything is about dps coming out of there. 'Just a few more dps and PvP will be ok' - It will not (And that's true in PvE too). People have had enough of it. I am one of many of those. Continuing to repeat the same problematic things is not going to solve the problem. Continuing to cater to the same people who called for it to be this way is not the answer. ***The developers need to halt what is going on there and start implementing and establishing and reestablishing rules. That they (the developers) decide. And enforce them.

Vengeance is a very good thing. I have and will continue to play it. If it is available, my guilds will play it too. There are RULES involved. There is actually SKILL involved, not just builds.

@ModeratelyFM- They may have to give up on GH because its unworkable for various reasons. I believe this to be out of their control due to system constraints. ***As far as the PEOPLE in GH I do not think they will hang this population out to dry.*** I do believe what they said about a new PvP area. I would rather see them just finally separate PvP and PvE entirely if this broken (cutrent) state must continue. That is, any and all PvE sets cause you to deal 0 damage and have 0 resistances in PvP. They could still tailor the skills to be PvE only but again, if that's happening, its not really our characters in there anyway.

Syldras wrote: »

Honestly? It's a story about an absolutely untamrielic Mary Sue character depicted as being perceived as perfect and absolutely brilliant in any regard, super talented and intelligent of course, well-respected by everyone (except for the baddies), drinking lots of wine and having many sexual conquests - while having the mindset and intelligence of a small child, asking where cloth comes from, randomly making roaring sounds, and pretending to be a beaver while chopping wood (a contrast which feels super creepy, by the way; or at least where I come from, someone who thinks and acts like a child getting drunk or having "dates" would be perceived as absolutely questionable).

Also using pronouns that clearly differ from the physical form, which is a rare thing in Tamriel - but still, instead of going by the body shape, everyone knows the correct pronouns immediately and uses them correctly, including enemies.

Put short: There is no logic.

At least the same year also had Zerith-var, whose story was much more mature, provided us with wonderful new lore and absolutely fit into Tamriel. This is what I, and I know also many other people who are here for stories and lore, want to see more of. Not quirky, meme-y nonsense that doesn't even fit into the fictional world and its cultures.

Heh, yeah. There's also the question why someone like Wisteria (a hardened and competent spy with a fanatical vision) would be so obsessed with a wilfully childish and irresponsible goof like Tanlorin. Opposites attract and all that, but there are limits. Mary Sue is indeed a good moniker.

I haven't unlocked Zerith-Var, but another great contrast immediately comes to mind. Sharp-as-Night's story is also on another level compared to Tanlorin's. It is tightly and logically plotted, and the character motivations make perfect sense. The story was actually even surreptitiously chilling when one thought about the horror of magically augmented slavery (when even the mundane version is bad enough) and the Reformer's creepy obsession about Sharp. But the text didn't actively rub that against the player's face but let us draw our own conclusions. Also I was genuinely moved by Mevei's development because of her wonderful voice acting, and Sharp himself is a great character. Even Federo and other comic characters were comical in a way that fit the Elder Scrolls world perfectly. I wish that writer had written Tanlorin's story, too. Namely, "they" had great potential as a concept, but the execution indeed fell flat.

The original post admittedly was an attempt to repair something that perhaps is irreparable.

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

I do think that the story line could have been good. But, to me, Tanlorin overshadows it to the point that it just seems, well, trite.

The writer only would have had to tone Tanlorin's childishness down two notches and ask himself a few hard questions about character motivations, then answer them in the text. But he didn't, so the end result is a very lazy story. It is waste of perfectly good side characters, if nothing else. Wisteria, Hyacinth and the Gardener actually interested me more than Tanlorin. I'd like to see more content about them (or, well, about those two who survived).

I don't hate Tanlorin, actually, but the character's infantile writing does grate me at times. I think it's implied that Tanlorin isn't actually at the level of a five-year-old, but only ironically pretends to be like some Gen Z or millennial of our days who fears nothing more than to appear "boring", that is, adult and serious. The character is a symptom of the postmodern fear of seriousness. Even their voice and acting is otherwise good, but for some reason the accent has to be the lazy, annoyingly loose drawl of a modern-day US hipster. Tanlorin is a wasted opportunity.

In fact, I'd like to see a High Elf companion like Wisteria much rather than what we got. Someone competent, intelligent, driven and disciplined. In sum, a character that would embody more traditional Altmer virtues even if his/her story would test and question the value of those virtues. I'd enjoy that. Of course, it would be a bonus if the said companion also would be a pretty lady like W...