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Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
spartaxoxo wrote: »My concerns regarding the layering of overland is that it will not resolve the issues with highly-powered players interfering with new and low-powered player activities.
It does though, at least for some people. You're arguing against something that helps resolve your issue.
I like to quest and want to be able to enjoy the quests in this game. When I quest, I have no meaningful choice but to quickly kill everything around me. I don't want to kill mobs that quickly. And you have communicated that you don't want me to kill mobs that quickly. Allowing me to take more damage from mobs and deal less damage to mobs will stop me from killing mobs so quickly. I want a system that lets me go from a high powered player to a player that is being challenged. That way I can enjoy the same exact experience as the lower power player.
Not wanting to encourage vet players to use such a system is arguing against allowing vet players to lower their power level.
I am not arguing that part of the layer. What I don't want is for that layer to be on a toggle where those that do kill everything because the can will return to the base level to do just that in order to get resources whether is is a simple rune or leads. I think if a player chooses more challenging overland, they should stay there for a period rather than shift back and forth in second or even minutes. I have trouble understanding why they would want more challenging overland and want to return to base for easy farming too.
Put it on a cool down. Make it account wide and have options like the delete options. Require tokens which can be earned or purchased for gold or crown.
So, as someone who can enjoy vet at times but other time not, you are suggesting I should be made to pay because of my disabilities, yes? Do you see how that could be seen as discriminating? It's OK, I'm used to it RL unfortunately
.I'm not saying that you are purposely making your opinion to do that but it would be unfair.
As much as you are suggesting that skilled/high CP/Vet players behave like Seagulls, you know, make lots of noise, nick all the shines (kills/resources/fun), poop on you then naff off, it's only a small minority that do. Low levels often get a few strikes on a DL World Boss/Dragon/Harowstorm I'm soloing and do I get miffed that they got an easy tag and kill, um, NO. Have they spoiled my fun no, have they earned the kill no, do I care that they got a reward for something they put little to no effort into, NO! I and others jump in and help zone request, YES because it's an MMO and players help players.
I hope this all makes sense. I just want everyone to FUN!
Re: No base game update in 48?
Hi all! Just wanted to follow up here. There will be a base game update for U48. It will be focused on bug fixes and minor adjustments, rather than bigger QoL features this patch. The team has added quite a bit of QoL features over the last several patches and working on some good ones that you will see roll out next year, including some from the top pain points list many of you contributed to earlier this year. So this quarter will be lighter in that area.
The focus for this patch will be rolling out The Writhing Wall Event, the Eastern Solstice zone and Vengeance tests as those are both pretty sizable tasks for the team.
Can we get some insight into what those changes next year may be and/or the pain points that they will be fixing? Even if its just in vague terms of 'we are looking at tackling x y and z in the next year'
T3vvy
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Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
spartaxoxo wrote: »The purpose of the difficulty toggle is to make questing more immersive to many players. They shouldn't be punished while doing unrelated activities. Rada al-Saran does 20% more damage and also slows down your crafting surveys does not make sense.
Player A getting a node first because they got there before Player B is fair, regardless if Player A is a stronger player.
All such a punishment would do is discourage people from ruining their game by turning it on and give an unfair advantage to player b against those who use it anyway.
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Also, as someone who is not disabled but is not picture perfect health, I have good and bad days. Some days I am up to the challenge and some days I'm not. Not only would not being able to turn it off be unfair to vet players. It would also be extremely unfair to players with chronic illnesses or disabilities.
We are back to why do we need a more difficult overland if those players only want bosses to be challenging?
Quests aren't solely in instances. The big ones are but there's plenty of side quests in overland and the only way to get a satisfying story from those is through overland difficulty options.
If you know some other way to offer optional quest difficulty, I'm all ears.
Re: Subclassing: How to make skills not look jarring together?
Erickson9610 wrote: »These skill styles should also complement the fuse between different skill lines. For example, pairing Warden and Necromancer would grant you the skeletal bear look.
I want a skeletal bear without being either a Necromancer or a Warden as my base class. That Skill Style just sounds cool — I'd Subclass into Animal Companions and Grave Lord while being a Templar and command a skeletal bear alongside other skeletal summons. I'd pay Crowns for that.
Sure, that works too! My point being is that ZOS needs to add more skill styles! They also also change the lighting and sound effects of the Templar to suit a more “death paladin” style.
A death paladin sounds sick! There's a lot of possibilities when Class skills are given styles more closely reminiscent of one another.
Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
All I want is harder overland content, when I'm capable. I don't care about the rewards just more interesting fights, as flail beam and the mob is dead in not fun, trust me!
I'll repeat something I have said before. I'm disabled and as far as ESO goes, some days I can HM trials and others all I can do is HA. So not being able to swap difficulty's as I NEED, is punitive and feels spiteful. I hope people can understand the unintended consequences of their suggestions beyond their own Horizons?
I want everyone to have fun, AT ALL LEVELS OF SKILL. I and others don't need to punished because of our higher skill level, do we? I don't complain (much) that there are things I can't get, eg some Tri's and Titles, do I suggest that as I can't get them it's unfair, nope! I don't really PvP much, do housing, trading but if ZoS messed that up I would support others getting it fixed.
I'm not “that” Elite/high CP player being described by many and it would seem the majority of players aren't either, in that we know what it's like, as we all started the same, eg, no gear and little skill. So please stop with the straw-man arguments, that the one player who did not respect you, is everyone else.
I'll repeat something I have said before. I'm disabled and as far as ESO goes, some days I can HM trials and others all I can do is HA. So not being able to swap difficulty's as I NEED, is punitive and feels spiteful. I hope people can understand the unintended consequences of their suggestions beyond their own Horizons?
I want everyone to have fun, AT ALL LEVELS OF SKILL. I and others don't need to punished because of our higher skill level, do we? I don't complain (much) that there are things I can't get, eg some Tri's and Titles, do I suggest that as I can't get them it's unfair, nope! I don't really PvP much, do housing, trading but if ZoS messed that up I would support others getting it fixed.
I'm not “that” Elite/high CP player being described by many and it would seem the majority of players aren't either, in that we know what it's like, as we all started the same, eg, no gear and little skill. So please stop with the straw-man arguments, that the one player who did not respect you, is everyone else.
Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
SilverBride wrote: »It's not vindictive to not want players to have a free reign to change their difficulty choices multiple times a day to gain advantages. I suggested a token being required to change difficulty but a once a day cooldown would also help.
I can imagine a player seeing others fighting a world boss, so they crank up their difficulty and jump in to get the better rewards. Then they see another player gathering mats and they want to also gather mats, so they turn down their difficulty and start gathering mats faster. That is manipulating the system for advantages in my opinion and should be prevented.
I dont get it. Itat isnt abuse, That literally exactly the point of higher difficulty. Easy mat farming, hard bosses, or whatever. Theres no unfair advantage because everyone has access to that setting.
SilverBride wrote: »As I stated above, I feel being able to turn difficulty on and off multiple times a day at will could lead to manipulating the system for advantage. This was the example I gave for what I could see happening:
"I can imagine a player seeing others fighting a world boss, so they crank up their difficulty and jump in to get the better rewards. Then they see another player gathering mats and they want to also gather mats, so they turn down their difficulty and start gathering mats faster. That is manipulating the system for advantages in my opinion and should be prevented."
This also negates the whole reason for wanting more difficulty in the first place, which was often stated as immersion and feeling the bosses weren't really a threat, and overland mobs weren't a threat, etc., so why turn it off?
@ZOS_GinaBruno Are there going to be any restrictions to how often players can change their difficulty, such as cooldowns, to prevent this type of action?
I dont get it. That isnt abuse, That literally exactly the point of higher difficulty. Easy mat farming, hard bosses, or whatever. Theres no unfair advantage because everyone has access to that setting. And better rewards for harder content is Everywhere in the game already, i can spam vet trials and random vets as much as i want.
And no cooldowns.That stupid cp change one still drives me nuts, makes predefining builds in wizards so damn annoying.
Are people who think this way the only ones who tag Gina, etc? Explains alot.
Targeting issues. Flail seems to be affected.
ive posted before about a targeting bug we see in my guilds.
Maw of Lorkage where you pull the chains for the waves of enemies it a horrible place for targeting mobs. in this spot it seems that the only way to kill anything is to use environmental type attacks. but no direct attacks will target.
In VMA when the titan comes down you cannot target them. It has happened with force pulse and with flail.{more on this at the end)
In VAS plus 2 when the dragon(bad with names) goes up for storm the heavens i cannot target him with flail.
In graven deep, when the boss splits into copies and then attacks us with our own attacks, you cannot target them with flail.
In castle thorn several bosses randomly cannot be targeted with direct abilities like taunt or attacks.
The issue with flail is weird. Since flail is not an ability that needs a target to go off you would think that you could just flail and the it not do damage. However when we have instances where we cannot target the enemy, flail will not fire as long as our cursor is on the enemy target. For instance with the titan in vma i can look beside the titan and flail will work. then i can immediatly turn back to the titan and flail will not work.
ill make more posts as i find more places this is an issue.
Maw of Lorkage where you pull the chains for the waves of enemies it a horrible place for targeting mobs. in this spot it seems that the only way to kill anything is to use environmental type attacks. but no direct attacks will target.
In VMA when the titan comes down you cannot target them. It has happened with force pulse and with flail.{more on this at the end)
In VAS plus 2 when the dragon(bad with names) goes up for storm the heavens i cannot target him with flail.
In graven deep, when the boss splits into copies and then attacks us with our own attacks, you cannot target them with flail.
In castle thorn several bosses randomly cannot be targeted with direct abilities like taunt or attacks.
The issue with flail is weird. Since flail is not an ability that needs a target to go off you would think that you could just flail and the it not do damage. However when we have instances where we cannot target the enemy, flail will not fire as long as our cursor is on the enemy target. For instance with the titan in vma i can look beside the titan and flail will work. then i can immediatly turn back to the titan and flail will not work.
ill make more posts as i find more places this is an issue.
Re: Vengeance 4 perk and loadout system livestream announcement
Passing Vengeance off as a test has always felt pretty disingenuous to me for this reason. Do the developers really think we're that stupid? (Don't answer that. Many of us are.) What began as a "can we even do this?" exercise in validating performance assumptions/hunches has clearly morphed into a "omg, it's working -- this is how we fulfill our OG vision for massive warfare in Cyrodiil!"
I mean what did you expect to happen if the test showed positive results? Like I wouldn’t expect them to do these Vengeance tests and then make changes totally unrelated to their findings lol.
These "hard-coded" templates, loadouts, generic gear, morphless skills are NO REPLACEMENT for the depth of customization that ESO players have grown to expect with their characters over the past 10 years. Please stop pretending otherwise.
Sincerely,
A long-time Cyrodiil enjoyer and Vengeance hater
The level of build customization in ESO is not a good thing and it would actually be healthy if they reeled it back in. It’s an accessibility issue as is. Making a build now is so much more complex than it was in 2015-2016.
Even beyond ESO, overwhelming people with customization ends up creating niche audiences and hobbyists. As an example, PC gaming wouldn’t be nearly as big today if it wasn’t for pre-built systems and user friendly software and operating systems. You get more control and customization when you build your own PC of course, but there’s quite a bit of research and knowledge needed for that.
There has to be a balance between customization, accessibility, and user friendliness if you want something to reach a large audience.
Beyond that, this is PvP we are talking about. With ESO’s customization, 2 players can be fully geared out at max level and 1 of those players can literally have double the raw power of the other person. There’s so many situations where one build is simply better than another without any tradeoffs at all.
If someone is serious about fair PvP, why would
they put up with that? Truly competitive players or pvpers want to win or lose based on skill, otherwise they’ll quit for more skill based games. The lack of balance and the level at which you can outbuild someone keeps ESO unappealing to many of the people who enjoy PvP games.
Some level of build customization in ESO is fine. With sets and skill lines so wildly out of balance with each other though, it’s become a huge issue, both for accessibility and skill expression.
There’s definitely a vocal group of ESO “pvpers” that must love farming players with builds that can’t compete. If you really deserve to be getting kills, you’ll do just fine on more equal footing.
Stamicka
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Re: No base game update in 48?
All I even hear is that they are working on "more" but that "more" will be later. One may think that they are working on every single possible thing that players ever requested and they listen to players feedback but whenever they are supposed to deliver they claim that they looked at the stats and that's not it. When I've heard on the stream that they will do survey to get players feedback.... I mean, forums for the past few years were not enough?
We have specific questions that we will be asking in the surveys. And we also want to get the most recent feedback from folks. There is definitely feedback to look for here on the forums and other mediums. And the team has looked at those as well. But it’s always good to do a current gut check with folks. We don’t think anyone wants us to spend time on only making changes based on feedback given 2+ years ago. We want to give another opportunity with specific questions to get the most up to date info as the team continues to work.
Re: No base game update in 48?
In the past, big future plans didn’t change the amount of content released, so this is weird to me. ZOS used to release one big patch after another.
I also can’t see this being good for the population issue. I can’t even imagine how low it’s going to get after this.
It's not gonna be good that's for sure
