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Re: Skill-Based Combat is Back: Why the Night Market is the Ultimate "Mistake Check" for solo players
Good points. My thoughts mirror this exactly, except the "hard question".
Why is this a "hard question"? - a solo player is a player who does not play in a group. That's it, end of description. They can be questers, overland players, solo arena players, solo PVP players, or even end game soloers who play group content solo. Talking about "true solo players" is such weird gatekeeping.
It's simple. Group content is not meant to be soloed. If you choose to solo it, you're on your own. I don't complain in group content when I go there solo. I just git gud. That's the name of the game. But a person who just likes the lore, quests alone and decorates their house is as much a solo player as me. We just have different interests. If you want to differentiate between casual questers and end game soloers, call the latter group "end game soloers", for example.
Night Market is group content. Nothing prevents you from entering there alone, but unless you like punishment, you're going to have a bad time. Same as other group content. Nothing stops you from going to vDSR HM solo, but you're not going to have great time there. Not even all dungeons are soloable. Some are, others aren't. Takes a certain level of pain enjoyment to find out which ones can be and which ones can't be soloed. Anyway, I will be soloing it but I will also be going there with a group. Seems to be fun either way. But that's for me.
Why is this a "hard question"? - a solo player is a player who does not play in a group. That's it, end of description. They can be questers, overland players, solo arena players, solo PVP players, or even end game soloers who play group content solo. Talking about "true solo players" is such weird gatekeeping.
It's simple. Group content is not meant to be soloed. If you choose to solo it, you're on your own. I don't complain in group content when I go there solo. I just git gud. That's the name of the game. But a person who just likes the lore, quests alone and decorates their house is as much a solo player as me. We just have different interests. If you want to differentiate between casual questers and end game soloers, call the latter group "end game soloers", for example.
Night Market is group content. Nothing prevents you from entering there alone, but unless you like punishment, you're going to have a bad time. Same as other group content. Nothing stops you from going to vDSR HM solo, but you're not going to have great time there. Not even all dungeons are soloable. Some are, others aren't. Takes a certain level of pain enjoyment to find out which ones can be and which ones can't be soloed. Anyway, I will be soloing it but I will also be going there with a group. Seems to be fun either way. But that's for me.
Re: Night Market is too strong
I want to enjoy the game, I DON`T want to be frustrated. Looks like my account will go into cold storage ESO.
If you don't enjoy group content, don't do group content. The previous content is still accessible. Nothing has been taken away.
It's going to come back twice more, and my guess is after that it will be nerfed like Craglorn and be a permanent addition.
Re: Night Market is a ticket to frustration and lack of basic respect to usual players
I agree. For years the content in this MMO has been mainly directed as a solo experience, with optional group. Even most Dungeons could be tackled alone. Trials , are fun but if you notice they are mainly the same easy ones listed that pugs can finish. The night market can be described in one word Flustering. Absent of fun and adventure. Quest are hard to finish in NON premade groups (PUGS). This limits a vast majority of the player base. While the Night market has some merits (some good end rewards) , the overall execution of this concept has a major flaw of being overly hard and very little fun.
Roztlin45
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Re: Thousand Eyes ahead of everyone by miles
pretty dye.
pretty maormer.
pretty monster set and style.
pretty maormer.
pretty monster set and style.
Re: Please re-balance Serpent's Disdain next
Quit calling for set nerfs, zos can only hammer, no scalpel. Nerfing this will just reduce variety.
Ask zos to buff the other thousand useless sets in the game and then players will be forced to confront starker build choices.
If there were 3-5 more competitive 'status effect" related sets then people might not crutch on this set so much.
But also, and this is somewhat hypocritical, the less ZOS touch their game is often the better outcome.
I get your point but i would argue that bringing down sets like these can actually make other choices more relevant, increasing variety, not reducing it.
This sits above other sets in its categories by a large margin, performing the role of multiple sets at once. This is not just a somewhat strong item set, its completely overboard and about to get much, much worse.
Burtan
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Re: Why not have difficulty levels for night market too, so we can all enjoy our game ?
Just grap a group and enjoy..... I do 
H3rBie
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Re: Why not have difficulty levels for night market too, so we can all enjoy our game ?
I'm curious why people keep thinking this is the flagship content of this year. This year is different. There is no flagship. That left with chapters. This is the center of this season. Next season the centerpiece is solo questing and exploration. So don't worry. You're not forgotten about. ESO isn't all of a sudden dark souls. They're trying different stuff each season. I think it'd be cool if it had a normal and vet mode though. Our raid team split in 2 was steamrolling the zones. And a bunch of solo players did exactly what the devs suggested. They followed us and helped. We destroyed all 3 districts and I know we got many solo players all bosses and skirmishes. It's just something you have to tackle different if you wanna get the full experience, because it's group content.
Re: If You Die During Skirmish You Won't Get Credit!
heimdall14_9 wrote: »heimdall14_9 wrote: »this is how it should be if not you will get 100s of players that just run get 1 hit in and die while still getting awarded for laying dead on the floor after doing nothing
Yeah but right now if I could potentially lose the reward for dying trying to help, why would I help? Why wouldn't I just do a few hits, stand by a wall and just wait for the boss to die? Either or you're going to have people abuse the system, just right now you are punishing more people trying to help.
am with you on that , reason there should be a mid level of damage needed to get awarded for doing something. so that them that want to hit and run or them that hit and die both get nothing for doing nothing
So tanks and healers wont get credit?
Re: First Impressions on the Night Market
The problem with saying maybe having an option for NIght Market in the Group Finder, is that virtually no one uses it. The number of players looking for content vs using the Group Finder, either creating their own listing and advertising it, is vastly skewed in the odd of not using it. At least on console, at peak time on x1na on a weekend, there will only be like one or less posts for any given activity, if that.
And the rewards for Night Market are in contradiction with it's new testing, it's giving old content sets that the majority of endgame players would already have. Deshaan sets, Craglorn Trials, what use are those to endgame content runners, of which the Night Market is aimed at by sheer difficulty of the content thus far provided to us. What it feels like, to me, with a lot of the content as of late, they are crowd sourcing testing with live rather than just PTS, which is fine in my opinion, being largely on console, we don't have one. So it's nice with that being the case if it is so.
And to the scoring system, having seen it in practice, is probably a bad idea. And here's why:
The human mind loves to win. If they have yet to join a faction, and they're told they'll win a prize for their faction having the highest score, who're thwy joining? The ones with the highest score already. Thus cementing that team's lead even more. And those who have signed up for the bottom faction seeing how fast the other team is gaining more and more points ahead of them, solidifies the despair they have faced with the level of difficulty and lack of players participating, so they don't too. They leave for other established content.
Again, how this is fixxed is beyond me. Do you make it a PvE campaign? Like what Cyrodiil is for PvP? Have a competitive Campaign where it's faction locked, a standard campaign with stunted end of run rewards? Pushing players to participate in the Competitive Campaign. I don't know what that system would look like. But what is in play at this very moment isn't it. Make an invasion system, so players are raiding an opposing fanction's district, you protect a beast of an npc, while the other faction tries to stop it. If they don't, the invading faction steals a chunk of valor points. Blending PvE with micro bursts of PvP to satiate that crowd when they inevitably cry out saying the new content is unfair to them and they get coddled again.
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Now, this testing isn't all bad, me personally, Inlove thw Duneripper Boss, if that were to appear as a roaming boss in Alik'r, it would be a good thing. It feels out of place in the Calamity Boss ranks as it's the weakest boss out of the three. You only need one Self Healing Tank and a long range DPS to not trigger the toxic gas. And when the DoTs pile up, you exit and re-enter, and when thentank needs to leave, both leave and go back in. L
We need more bosses like that.
And the rewards for Night Market are in contradiction with it's new testing, it's giving old content sets that the majority of endgame players would already have. Deshaan sets, Craglorn Trials, what use are those to endgame content runners, of which the Night Market is aimed at by sheer difficulty of the content thus far provided to us. What it feels like, to me, with a lot of the content as of late, they are crowd sourcing testing with live rather than just PTS, which is fine in my opinion, being largely on console, we don't have one. So it's nice with that being the case if it is so.
And to the scoring system, having seen it in practice, is probably a bad idea. And here's why:
The human mind loves to win. If they have yet to join a faction, and they're told they'll win a prize for their faction having the highest score, who're thwy joining? The ones with the highest score already. Thus cementing that team's lead even more. And those who have signed up for the bottom faction seeing how fast the other team is gaining more and more points ahead of them, solidifies the despair they have faced with the level of difficulty and lack of players participating, so they don't too. They leave for other established content.
Again, how this is fixxed is beyond me. Do you make it a PvE campaign? Like what Cyrodiil is for PvP? Have a competitive Campaign where it's faction locked, a standard campaign with stunted end of run rewards? Pushing players to participate in the Competitive Campaign. I don't know what that system would look like. But what is in play at this very moment isn't it. Make an invasion system, so players are raiding an opposing fanction's district, you protect a beast of an npc, while the other faction tries to stop it. If they don't, the invading faction steals a chunk of valor points. Blending PvE with micro bursts of PvP to satiate that crowd when they inevitably cry out saying the new content is unfair to them and they get coddled again.
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Now, this testing isn't all bad, me personally, Inlove thw Duneripper Boss, if that were to appear as a roaming boss in Alik'r, it would be a good thing. It feels out of place in the Calamity Boss ranks as it's the weakest boss out of the three. You only need one Self Healing Tank and a long range DPS to not trigger the toxic gas. And when the DoTs pile up, you exit and re-enter, and when thentank needs to leave, both leave and go back in. L
We need more bosses like that.
Re: If You Die During Skirmish You Won't Get Credit!
Yeah, as long as you have taken part in the fight you should get the credit. The ghost phase takes anyway aaaaages.