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Re: Update 50 PTS – Week 3 Summary
Sorc overload deals such high damage on dummies, but what about its usage rate on logs? Here's a statistic someone did during U48, showing that all three Sorc lines have very low usage rates. Even if you double the most popular Sorc line, it's still lower than the popular Arc and Nightblade skill lines.
This statistic precisely illustrates that balancing based on simulated environments is likely to become detached from reality, ultimately exacerbating the imbalance.
Don't forget, the developers had planned to nerf Bound Armaments by 10% based on the simulation environment.
Re: Night Market NPC Names/Details
i love the character names too.
And always happy to see Maormer.
oh Andresselia, she is similar to Lharsa who also sings at a fountain.
She is in Fargrave City, near the daily job brokers.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Lharsa
And always happy to see Maormer.
oh Andresselia, she is similar to Lharsa who also sings at a fountain.
She is in Fargrave City, near the daily job brokers.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Lharsa
Re: Night Market Opinion Poll
There is no one playing. I dont know how they have it setup. But in a normal event I can roll into the zone and it full of poeple. This event, maybe 3 other people max at any one time.
Re: Night Market: Getting started and basics
Necrotech_Master wrote: »BetweenMidgets wrote: »I don't understand why, but so far my friends and I have NOT been able to share quests with each other. Not even the ones in the districts that they picked up a few packs back that I didn't see & they still weren't able to share it to me.
It is really frustrating to have all this group content and quest sharing is spotty at best. I only know quest sharing is possible because people in here have said it is. My experience is there is NOT quest sharing.
The repeatable mini-quests that are found in the districts are not shareable. Only the repeatable quests that you pick up from outside the districts are shareable. The non-shareable district quests don't drop anything good anyway (all the good rewards are from the ones you get outside of the districts), so I wouldn't worry too much about them.
the only reason to bother with the mini quests from the districts is they are required for achievements
there is at least one achievement for completing all of the mini quests at least once
Yea, I took some time and did all of them on my main character, and don't think I'll bother with doing them again because the rewards are so... underwhelming.
(Because of how hard it is so see some of those quest objectives, I personally found it easier to do them in a separate session, when I have cloak equipped and am just cloaking past everything. Allows me to quickly examine all the different nooks and crannies to find those things.)
Night Market Build
Imperial or Orc Arcanist.
64 Stamina
Thief stone
Full 7 heavy 2 iceheart monster set, 5 piece armor Medusa, 5 piece Briarheart.
Armor is all divines and that enchantment that adds all 3 stats, lol.
Neck and Rings all three add weapon and spell damage with 2 bloodthirsty and 1 infused.
Front Bar:
2 daggers, both fire, Resolving Vigor from Alliance War Skill Line, Camouflaged Hunter from the Fighters Guild, Deadly Cload from Duel Wield, Pragmatic Fatefarcer, Cephaliarch's Flail & Flawless Dawnbreaker.
Back Bar:
Impervious Runeward, Critical Surge, Hurricane, Unstable Wall of Storms, Rune of Displacement, Gibbering Shields.
About 75k on dummy, but it's doing great in the Night Market. I'm soloing mobs.
This isn't a hard build to put together.
Sure, all of my stuff is Legendar,y but Epic could work just fine.
Sugar Skulls & Stamina pots mostly.
64 Stamina
Thief stone
Full 7 heavy 2 iceheart monster set, 5 piece armor Medusa, 5 piece Briarheart.
Armor is all divines and that enchantment that adds all 3 stats, lol.
Neck and Rings all three add weapon and spell damage with 2 bloodthirsty and 1 infused.
Front Bar:
2 daggers, both fire, Resolving Vigor from Alliance War Skill Line, Camouflaged Hunter from the Fighters Guild, Deadly Cload from Duel Wield, Pragmatic Fatefarcer, Cephaliarch's Flail & Flawless Dawnbreaker.
Back Bar:
Impervious Runeward, Critical Surge, Hurricane, Unstable Wall of Storms, Rune of Displacement, Gibbering Shields.
About 75k on dummy, but it's doing great in the Night Market. I'm soloing mobs.
This isn't a hard build to put together.
Sure, all of my stuff is Legendar,y but Epic could work just fine.
Sugar Skulls & Stamina pots mostly.
Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
Been running Night Market a lot since release. Some solo, some small group, some large group. ~6500 favor.
Overall, the new content is really cool. I'm loving the difficulty level and ad hoc coordination between groups. It feels like this is what Craglorn was supposed to be, an open zone requiring group play for the difficult bits.
Main complaint: consuming keys makes coordinating a full 12-man team ridiculous. Requiring the keys is not the problem. But consuming the keys creates a logistical nightmare for raid teams. Getting everyone together on the same page is too tedious, and it takes so long that you can lose half the group before collecting the keys that one player needed. The logistical bar is too high already, and will only get worse as participation drops off.
Minor complaint: randos who don't know wtf they are doing are capable of screwing up the mechanics on skirmish fights. Our group was stalled by randos grabbing the motes and not attuning the rods, for example. Mechanics should avoid punishing groups for the actions of randos.
Bonus complaint: not enough population! It's awesome when groups team up on a tough encounter, but that doesn't happen enough at these population levels. It's fun running into other solo players or small groups, but there are not enough of them. Raise the population cap per zone!
A few bugs:
1) Single-target abilities randomly busted. (Or is that a feature?)
2) Disconnected during the werewolf fight hunt mechanic, causing the werewolf to get stuck and unable to progress for the team left behind.
3) The duneripper got stuck unkillable after his insides were all busted.
4) Respawned on the rooftop once, and immediately died again while already dead (died in ghost form). It was the most dead I have ever been. Was permanently stuck dead until relogging.
Overall, the new content is really cool. I'm loving the difficulty level and ad hoc coordination between groups. It feels like this is what Craglorn was supposed to be, an open zone requiring group play for the difficult bits.
Main complaint: consuming keys makes coordinating a full 12-man team ridiculous. Requiring the keys is not the problem. But consuming the keys creates a logistical nightmare for raid teams. Getting everyone together on the same page is too tedious, and it takes so long that you can lose half the group before collecting the keys that one player needed. The logistical bar is too high already, and will only get worse as participation drops off.
Minor complaint: randos who don't know wtf they are doing are capable of screwing up the mechanics on skirmish fights. Our group was stalled by randos grabbing the motes and not attuning the rods, for example. Mechanics should avoid punishing groups for the actions of randos.
Bonus complaint: not enough population! It's awesome when groups team up on a tough encounter, but that doesn't happen enough at these population levels. It's fun running into other solo players or small groups, but there are not enough of them. Raise the population cap per zone!
A few bugs:
1) Single-target abilities randomly busted. (Or is that a feature?)
2) Disconnected during the werewolf fight hunt mechanic, causing the werewolf to get stuck and unable to progress for the team left behind.
3) The duneripper got stuck unkillable after his insides were all busted.
4) Respawned on the rooftop once, and immediately died again while already dead (died in ghost form). It was the most dead I have ever been. Was permanently stuck dead until relogging.
Re: Night Market Opinion Poll
silky_soft wrote: »There is no one playing. I dont know how they have it setup. But in a normal event I can roll into the zone and it full of poeple. This event, maybe 3 other people max at any one time.
My honest opinion is that this issue might be the 'death' of the Night Market.
If those 'casuals' who can't do the content solo, like me, had been able to go in the zone their first time and found it full of people who were all fighting, I have the feeling that the forums would have looked at the very least a little bit different.
IE, if people could have soft grouped and just followed people around to do their dailies and quests, then many of the people who are upset now would likely not have been. Because it definitely wouldn't have seemed as hard as it did when I walked in, walked up to a trash mob and was nearly immediately killed.
Instead, the low pop cap, while I can completely understand it, and that population being spread through out four zones, made it so formal grouping was pretty much mandatory unless you got lucky.
Re: Night market is not a trial
There is nothing else comparable in terms of difficulty to the night market except maybe actual vet trials. Skirmishes spawn dozens of enemies with hundreds of millions in combined HP. Bosses and enemies regularly one or two shot you depending on their difficulty making tanks a necessary part of most groups, and dailies a pain in the butt to do. Some of the bosses have multiple invulnerability phases and spawn a bunch of enemies that so many people have complained about in the past.
Yesterday I spent 30 minutes fighting the spiral descender skirmish because people kept killing the skeletons too early. These were people in our group with actual comms telling them not to do what they were doing, and who would've just stayed in the zone if they were removed from the group because this is NOT a dungeon or trial.
Even the parch has a bunch of sand walls that literally force you to engage or run past groups of enemies to get around a really pointlessly convoluted map unless you've already killed every boss for the relic.
Don't get me wrong, I'm actually really enjoying the night market, but there are so many arbitrarily anti-fun parts of it that I don't get why people are gatekeeping it so hard. I get it's advertised as group content, but even group dungeons, for example, are getting story difficulty because so many people just want to experience the game.
This is the first content drop in the past 6 months, and people are actively encouraging players not to take part of it. Crazy.
Yesterday I spent 30 minutes fighting the spiral descender skirmish because people kept killing the skeletons too early. These were people in our group with actual comms telling them not to do what they were doing, and who would've just stayed in the zone if they were removed from the group because this is NOT a dungeon or trial.
Even the parch has a bunch of sand walls that literally force you to engage or run past groups of enemies to get around a really pointlessly convoluted map unless you've already killed every boss for the relic.
Don't get me wrong, I'm actually really enjoying the night market, but there are so many arbitrarily anti-fun parts of it that I don't get why people are gatekeeping it so hard. I get it's advertised as group content, but even group dungeons, for example, are getting story difficulty because so many people just want to experience the game.
This is the first content drop in the past 6 months, and people are actively encouraging players not to take part of it. Crazy.
Re: Update 50 PTS – Week 3 Summary
From what I know, at least for the last 5 years, they pretty much did represent the power difference also in content too (specifically talking about trials). A skilled player able to achieve high values on a parse dummy will also be able to update the build according to actual content requirements -- except for HA builds.Turtle_Bot wrote: »I really wish ZOS had never released the trial dummies, those things have been the absolute worst thing to use as a metric for balancing classes because they give completely unrealistic parsing conditions that doesn't match up with real content. But players throw around dummy parses like they are actual in-game trial runs and use the most unrealistic and cheesed youtube click bait parse numbers as reasons to call for nerfs to other classes without any understanding of how that number was cheesed and why it is not a good comparison of how the class actually performs in real content.
No, they can't. Before the u46 was released, there were rumors of a sorc achieving over 180K damage (the highest at the time) using Overload. But we all know that in actual PvE, the sorc's usage rate is still very low, tied for last place with the warden.
Re: Update 50 PTS – Week 3 Summary
Yeah, I don't see the point of nerfing nightblade in PvE. Pureclass nightblades aren't really doing that high damage when compared to other pure classes, like sorc. If all things, they should get additional buffs actually. I went from live to PTS, went from 125k to 165k which is a big jump in power but sorcs can push 220k which is... yeah...
PvP-wise they should get buffs as well, at least that's from what I saw in other posts -- I don't really play PvP.
Like, go wild with nerfing the passives once the class has been rebalanced. Now's not the time when there's a huge gap if maximum values.
Enough with the misinformation from salty NB mains that just rely on clickbait youtube parses that are cheesed into oblivion to reach unrealistic numbers that are never seen in real content....
Sorcs haven't been able to push 220k since week 1 of PTS (pre-nerf) and that was only using a specific parse cheesing build that is not viable in actual content and it was already over nerfed in week 3.
More parses were done post week 3 nerf and sorc barely parsed 170k DPS using the full cheese build (55k DPS loss using the full cheese build), additional parses were done without that cheese build and sorc was parsing 140-150k DPS (15k to 25k less than your NB parse).
I really wish ZOS had never released the trial dummies, those things have been the absolute worst thing to use as a metric for balancing classes because they give completely unrealistic parsing conditions that doesn't match up with real content. But players throw around dummy parses like they are actual in-game trial runs and use the most unrealistic and cheesed youtube click bait parse numbers as reasons to call for nerfs to other classes without any understanding of how that number was cheesed and why it is not a good comparison of how the class actually performs in real content.
