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Re: Night Market Keys.
Yeah, it is a bit inconvenient. Especially if you run with multiple groups.
I had the trial key and I had ran also the Argent keys yesterday. Then I had a trial in guild 1. Afterwards we ran the dungeons again -- I was lucky to find a few people who had the Argent keys and needed the trial key again.
Next is my trial prog group (we are taking a detour from our regularly scheduled programming to get the no death run) so I will use the trial key there. We might want to run it twice, so we are forced to lose time on Argent killing and three dungeons.
Then the next day I need to get Argent keys again, and the dungeons to go to the guild 2 run.
This gathering keys every time makes it inconvenient if you run in multiple groups, or want to run more than once a day. So these dungeons and this trial is a single-serve stuff. Once you have the achievements you are after, there is 0 reason to torture yourself again collecting keys. Everything else in the Night Market is really fun, but this overcomplicated key collection that should be a one time thing is the only thing sucking fun out of the game.
I had the trial key and I had ran also the Argent keys yesterday. Then I had a trial in guild 1. Afterwards we ran the dungeons again -- I was lucky to find a few people who had the Argent keys and needed the trial key again.
Next is my trial prog group (we are taking a detour from our regularly scheduled programming to get the no death run) so I will use the trial key there. We might want to run it twice, so we are forced to lose time on Argent killing and three dungeons.
Then the next day I need to get Argent keys again, and the dungeons to go to the guild 2 run.
This gathering keys every time makes it inconvenient if you run in multiple groups, or want to run more than once a day. So these dungeons and this trial is a single-serve stuff. Once you have the achievements you are after, there is 0 reason to torture yourself again collecting keys. Everything else in the Night Market is really fun, but this overcomplicated key collection that should be a one time thing is the only thing sucking fun out of the game.
Re: Shattered Paths Signet
YandereGirlfriend wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »Mythics should be powerful, it would be nice to see some of the less used mythics get some attention to make them more valued.
Powerful in PvE at least.
When Velothi was on the PTS back in the day it was grossly overtuned and received a comparable reaction to Signet from PvP mains. The wise devs of those days then chose to make it PvE-only with "Against Monsters" which completely solved the issue. The PvE crowd could go nuts with a fun new toy while the PvP community dodged what would have been a comically overpowered boondoggle.
TLDR; "Against Monsters" is The Way.
Werent people saying how monomyth was overpowered when it first came out? It wasnt touched then and no one is saying to nerf it now. Signet is also a game changer but the same kind of game changer monomyth was. Signet is fine, it will be good for the meta to have more than a single playstyle be viable. I was honestly getting extremely bored of the burst + sit on shield on backbar with inhale forever meta so Signet is a very welcome change.
More than one playstyle isn't viable at the moment, that's the problem.
PvP is like an Old West movie right now - pulsegank or be pulseganked. The first player to press 'X' wins the fight almost no matter what. Opportunities for counterplay are slim to nonexistent.
When a Mythic can global a 50k troll tank just as easily as it can a 20k Cyro tourist it is pretty obvious that something is wrong.
Pulsegank is more of a funny meme more than anything. Pressure builds are imo good vs tanks but pulsegank isnt really, blocking works for everything they've got including direct damage status effects like concussed or chill, these status effects are also blockable. You can tank multiple pulse gankers on a brawler with inhale if you know they are there and pulse gankers tend to be so squishy that they cant really survive getting focused.
Of course imo non ganker signet builds are way stronger but i still dont think its the only viable way to play the game. I still regularly play on my dk with monomyth as much as i do my signet builds and i think they are all viable. I think given time people will get used to signet just like how they got used to getting two tapped out of nowhere when subclassing and monomyth released.
acanca
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Re: Shattered Paths Signet
YandereGirlfriend wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »Mythics should be powerful, it would be nice to see some of the less used mythics get some attention to make them more valued.
Powerful in PvE at least.
When Velothi was on the PTS back in the day it was grossly overtuned and received a comparable reaction to Signet from PvP mains. The wise devs of those days then chose to make it PvE-only with "Against Monsters" which completely solved the issue. The PvE crowd could go nuts with a fun new toy while the PvP community dodged what would have been a comically overpowered boondoggle.
TLDR; "Against Monsters" is The Way.
Werent people saying how monomyth was overpowered when it first came out? It wasnt touched then and no one is saying to nerf it now. Signet is also a game changer but the same kind of game changer monomyth was. Signet is fine, it will be good for the meta to have more than a single playstyle be viable. I was honestly getting extremely bored of the burst + sit on shield on backbar with inhale forever meta so Signet is a very welcome change.
More than one playstyle isn't viable at the moment, that's the problem.
PvP is like an Old West movie right now - pulsegank or be pulseganked. The first player to press 'X' wins the fight almost no matter what. Opportunities for counterplay are slim to nonexistent.
When a Mythic can global a 50k troll tank just as easily as it can a 20k Cyro tourist it is pretty obvious that something is wrong.
Pulsegank is more of a funny meme more than anything. Pressure builds are imo good vs tanks but pulsegank isnt really, blocking works for everything they've got including direct damage status effects like concussed or chill, these status effects are also blockable. You can tank multiple pulse gankers on a brawler with inhale if you know they are there and pulse gankers tend to be so squishy that they cant really survive getting focused.
Of course imo non ganker signet builds are way stronger but i still dont think its the only viable way to play the game. I still regularly play on my dk with monomyth as much as i do my signet builds and i think they are all viable. I think given time people will get used to signet just like how they got used to getting two tapped out of nowhere when subclassing and monomyth released.
Pulsegank builds are good against anything.
What makes it even more ludicrous is that it's like baby's first gank build with such a low skill floor to be effective with. If this was some melee spec with actual risk or commitment involved, then that would be one thing. Ditto for if it involved the use of an ult so that it wasn't completely spammable.
But instead you can backline and deal that overtuned damage from 35m+ away. Which is completely degenerate gameplay.
I am all for skilled ganking (and bombing). But this ain't that.
You can also sit 35+m away and do overtuned damage with full pve set-up. Again i disagree that pulse gank is good vs everything, maybe if you are unbuffed and not expecting a fight etc sure. But again, you can survive multiple pulse gankers doing full combo out in the open almost indefinitely as long as you know they are there because i've also done it myself. And they are usually so paper that they cant even deal with you using ele sus back on a brawler not even built for ranged pvp.
Give it one week tops and you'll see most people move away from pulse ganking to actual buils that can take a hit because they are genuinely just better.
acanca
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Re: Please move up Necromancer rework to 2026
Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »You’ve said that Necromancer is a scam multiple times, and that’s flat-out wrong. “Scam” implies you’re not getting something you paid for. If you pay for Necromancer, you get Necromancer. It being at the bottom of pile isn’t relevant to the purchase; hence why the phrase “caveat emptor (buyer beware)” exists.
Also, at this point, every class has players somewhere begging the devs to shuffle their schedule around so they can get their refresh next. I’ve worked for enough large companies to know that once a workflow schedule is set and communicated, changing it throws a lot of stuff off and can even cause delays.
While I want you to be able to enjoy Necromancer now, the fact remains that it is indeed the last class to be refreshed, so you’ve got to wait. And threats of unsubscribing and uninstalling aren’t going to move anything along. If the people who uninstalled after subclassing went live wasn’t enough to bring ESO to a grinding halt, you taking away your $15 a month isn’t going to be the proverbial nail in the coffin, either.
I say this because I don’t want you expending a bunch of energy on something that isn’t going to happen. If you sent that big message to ZOS, I promise you it’s in someone’s recycle bin right now, being merrily ignored while they work on the Warden refresh.
I am sure that some players have stopped playing actively not only because of the subclass system but also, for example, due to the unplayability of their favourite class, the Necromancer.
Honestly, coming here to emphasize this point. I was barely playing during Greymoor due to struggling with the change to Stalking Blastbones from Harrowstorm's patch. ZoS had said that they were removing the stalking portion to fix the pathfinding. We had no indication of when it'd be fixed, let alone IF, but the wording of the patch notes indicated that this was actively being investigated.
That was during 2020.
I want to say during the announcement of Blackwood, I was chased off the forum (by a rather vocal minority of the raiding community) for trying to advocate awareness that the ability wasn't fixed (that Stalking Blastbones didn't work as intended) and how it didn't bode well overall for the class in the future. I hate to tell those folks that I told them so, but... I told them so. ZoS then later on went to nerf some niche vampire/Necro builds, further killing my playstyle with the class.
When I got wind of Grave Lord Sacrifice and where those devs doubled down despite the backlash? That was it. I added people to Discord of who I wanted to stay in contact with, purged my friends list in-game, left all my guilds, and I left to play other MMOs with healthier developer to player communication. I came back briefly to investigate Scribing and Subclassing, but seeing how they also didn't fix my issue with Necromancer? It didn't keep me around very much longer.
After Firor left, and the studio had that huge shakeup along with the MMO in the works being canceled... I started reading the media that would pass through my email. Caught a couple of the lives, seemed interesting, but seeing Necromancer wasn't anywhere close at the beginning of the list of a rework? Gave me a significant pause because it told me a few things, but can be summed up thusly;
Because of insurmountable issues with the class as a whole? They really don't know how they're going to fix it yet. Everything else? Seems fairly easy to fix. Getting those out of the way first gives them time to investigate WHY the class has failed to reach it's mark. At the same time, the have had plenty of information over the last six years when issues really started to arise.
Regardless though, I've only logged into my Necromancer to do five things during the Night Market; Crafting writs, gather surveys, learn recipes/motifs/patterns, manage bank space, and craft gear for my actual USEFUL characters. While I love the direction of the Night Market, there's a lot they're going to have to earn my trust about. Necromancer is pretty much high on the list. And seeing how they've done with Malevolent Promise? Doesn't give me high hopes. We'll see. They have my attention for now at least.
Sephyr
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Re: Night Market Keys.
At the very least you should've allowed players to hold multiple copies of a key.
Yes, yes, yes. We should be able to at minimum hold 10 copies of the keys. This would make it easier on people who run in multiple groups, and for smaller guilds since willing fills would be more abundant while not making the overland useless to farm once you have the keys, which I believe was the point of the system in the first place.
The relic system is also somewhat frustrating but at least once someone has it they have it. The keys need to be almost constantly farmed in their current state and it punishes people who lead groups who are doing all of the bosses over and over again while getting almost nothing from them.
Earlier to day I was filling for a OO run since I had all the keys (all argent and dungeons) and someone who was on the roster had to drop. We had 3 people in that group that needed the dungeons. I ended up helping out on my tank. After that we did the trial. I went into this having all of the keys including the back filled argent ones and because I was being helpful I left with no keys at all. This was not a group I normally run with and I will have to re-farm all of the stuff before I run with my other group later this week. The current system actively discourages helping in this way since for some it might mean they no longer can run with the group they signed up for/want to because someone asked them to help and they said yes.
That run earlier ran from about 6:30 ET until 9:00 E. 2.5 hours to do all of that and clear the trial is crazy. Most groups cap their run times at 2 hours max for good reasons. In a less organized group that all would have taken much longer.
eashi
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Re: The Sunken Cost of Two Team 4v4 BGs
I very much like 4v4 game mode. 8v8 can be fun but they just need to put in effort, instead of making it and then leaving it be for years.
PvP activities need updates every patch.
PvP activities need updates every patch.
Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
One thing that would be a nice QoL is the ability to farm and save a few keys.
Losing keys when you complete the "dungeon" and "trial" makes it hard to find players at the same level of progress. And it's a disincentive for taking a chance and helping less experienced players.
I find myself turning down runs because I need those keys for later and don't have time to farm them.
Doesn't need to be a high number. Would be nice to be able to hold 3 keys so I can farm Brazens-->Argents when I have extra time. And have flexibility to run when Gilded and Opulent when we get a group together. Seems a nice balance of flexibility that keeps things active.
Losing keys when you complete the "dungeon" and "trial" makes it hard to find players at the same level of progress. And it's a disincentive for taking a chance and helping less experienced players.
I find myself turning down runs because I need those keys for later and don't have time to farm them.
Doesn't need to be a high number. Would be nice to be able to hold 3 keys so I can farm Brazens-->Argents when I have extra time. And have flexibility to run when Gilded and Opulent when we get a group together. Seems a nice balance of flexibility that keeps things active.
kiheikat
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Re: Anyone find the new DK visual design utterly DOMINATES the visual field in every group fight now?
There was no point updating visuals to begin with, nobody even asked for that. If they only spent their budget on reworking the pureclasses we wouldn't wait years for the refreshes to come out.
Wup_sa
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Re: Those Who Would Rule
FlopsyPrince wrote: »I think you can only do it once, but I also had a problem with the crown store version on my first character. I picked the quest up from there and it told me to talk to the Curator in Fargrave (who had apparently already contacted me, I assume that's the step I skipped by not finding the quest in the world) and then got stuck in a loop.
After I talked to the Curator (between the Nightmarket entrance and the wayshrine) the quest still said to talk to him and none of his dialogue options progressed it. At that point someone told me to abandon the quest, which I did, and I was able to immediately pick it up again by talking to him, and that version progressed to the next steps.
I did get stuck with him at first because I missed the "talk to others" part, even after repeating the dialog. Do look on the map for markers if that its you.
My OP question here was due to picking it up in the Crown Store on a 2nd character. I just dropped it and it seems to be working fine.
Yeah that's what I'm saying, it's a problem with the crown store version of the quest, not the fact that you were doing it on a second character. The quest never updated after talking to the Curator so there were no additional map markers or other objectives in the quest HUD. Dropping the quest and re-starting it by talking to the Curator again fixed it and allowed it to progress to the next step.
Apparently on the first day of the event there was a lot of talk about crown store quest - at first it wasn't available there at all, then it was broken, but the topics dropped down the list as most people moved past the first quest.
Danikat
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Minor Night Market Improvement Suggestions
Love the Night Market. I missed out on when Craglorn was an adventure zone, so I assume Night Market is what Craglorn once was. Love running with premade groups and randoms. Love the boss fights and the trial. I think its really well done and hope there are expansions and updates with each new iteration.
With that said, I do have some minor complaints:
1. Tone down the sensitivity of the mobs. Getting attacked by a mob that spawns in the middle of a minigame (Spiders, Lights, Boulders) is annoying. Some in-zone dailies are ridiculous as the objective is in the middle of an add swarm. I usually run with a group, but sometimes you have to complete in-zone dailies solo or at least away from the group. Just dial their detection radius back a little.
2. Allow travel to the rooftop wayshrine in the zone near your group. Kind of piggybacking off of above, but the best way to get to your group upon joining, if the group is deep in the zone, is intentionally dying in the zone because you can't avoid the adds. Just cut out the middleman. Travel from wayshrine to wayshrine in the same zone would be nice, too.
3. Make the keys more useful. The sandstorm cutter is the only one that is convenient. The grapple and lantern are pointless. The grapple in zone doesn't let you avoid adds at all as it doesn't go from roof to roof to roof. The lantern makes you go to a flower to get the light to jump into the dark, sometimes making the route longer than another route. Add in more grapple spots and make the lantern automatic. I had to kill a bunch of bosses to get these things, make them worthwhile beyond "get these things to get to step 2 so you can get more stuff to go to step 3."
4. The dungeons are not dungeons. Its a boss fight. Was expecting a dungeon. I guess that's on me.
Anyways, love the Night Market. Can't wait to see what happens next.
With that said, I do have some minor complaints:
1. Tone down the sensitivity of the mobs. Getting attacked by a mob that spawns in the middle of a minigame (Spiders, Lights, Boulders) is annoying. Some in-zone dailies are ridiculous as the objective is in the middle of an add swarm. I usually run with a group, but sometimes you have to complete in-zone dailies solo or at least away from the group. Just dial their detection radius back a little.
2. Allow travel to the rooftop wayshrine in the zone near your group. Kind of piggybacking off of above, but the best way to get to your group upon joining, if the group is deep in the zone, is intentionally dying in the zone because you can't avoid the adds. Just cut out the middleman. Travel from wayshrine to wayshrine in the same zone would be nice, too.
3. Make the keys more useful. The sandstorm cutter is the only one that is convenient. The grapple and lantern are pointless. The grapple in zone doesn't let you avoid adds at all as it doesn't go from roof to roof to roof. The lantern makes you go to a flower to get the light to jump into the dark, sometimes making the route longer than another route. Add in more grapple spots and make the lantern automatic. I had to kill a bunch of bosses to get these things, make them worthwhile beyond "get these things to get to step 2 so you can get more stuff to go to step 3."
4. The dungeons are not dungeons. Its a boss fight. Was expecting a dungeon. I guess that's on me.
Anyways, love the Night Market. Can't wait to see what happens next.
