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Re: [REQUEST] Permanent Vengeance Test Campaign
SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »No thanks. We don't need or want vengeance. Most of us PvP mains absolutely despise vengeance and ZOS' apparent intent to have vengeance replace the PvP we already have instead of fixing it.
The OP's suggestion had nothing to do with replacing GH. They specifically said "alongside Grey Host." GH would still be there for you and Vengeance's critics. That you still object speaks volumes. You're just going to come onto these forums update after update after update always complaining about how much you hate Vengeance and will accept nothing else, even when your precious GH is still there for you to play. Vengeance's critics whine about being forced to played Vengeance, but they have no problem forcing the rest of us to stay in broken GH.
How long from the time that they add a permanent vengeance campaign until they shut down the normal live cyrodiil do you think?
If we look at Cyrodiil's decade+ long history, its quite clear ZOS only shuts down campaigns that hardly anyone plays. And by hardly anyone, I mean hardly anyone. IC has been dead for years and years and ZOS went out of their way to offer a no CP version of it. 5 of the 6 PvP campaigns are strictly niche and have been for quite a long time and are still there. There isn't any real reason to shut these down because they can just leave them up, unsupported and on autopilot, knowing that the few remaining PvP oriented players are so attached to the game, they'll just continue to log onto those campaigns.
Even when the default ESO went to the champion point system, ZOS still went out of its way to offer a PvP campaign with no CP. In fact, the default Battleground setting is no CP. So ZOS has a decade long history of catering to niche audience to maintain PvP systems that are completely different to how the default game works.
This could be interpreted both ways. 1. Vengeance is the niche/different PvP system ZOS would accommodate. 2. Vengeance is the new default PvP system, and GH would become the niche/different offering. Either way, ZOS's history would suggest support for both at the same time.
I did hear during the Livestream that even though ZOS was thinking of making Battlegrounds like Vengeance, they also said that IC would continue to be what it is now, i,e, non-Vengeance. That is the horse's mouth saying that ZOS is still planning to support ESO PvP as it currently is. If there are these masses of hardcore ESO PvP players out in the woodworks and in your discords who absolutely can't stand Vengeance and would populate GH, then it's clear from the evidence and history we have available, GH would remain an option. Which again, is what the OP said.
No. ZOS isn't going to support two different versions of cyodiil long term. They're just not going to. Sooner or later it will be one or the other, and vengeance isn't going to fly with the current PvP players, and the PvE players won't play vengeance either. They don't like PvP or they'd already be playing it.
Why is this so hard to understand for the vengeance supporters? This is why vengeance has to be opposed in every possible way at every opportunity.
ZOS has supported different versions of PvP.
Even if what you said was true, it's one way or the other, you are basically telling the Vengeance supporters, "Too bad. There can only be one version of PvP. Even though the current version has a tiny player base, that is the one that you will play." Like, OK, why are we having this discussion? You don't care what others want. You aren't even willing to give people the choice of what to play. It's awfully rich to hear Vengeance haters constantly come onto these forums and whine that they are being forced for a week to test Vengeance when your perspective is to permanently force everyone to play ESO's PvP as it is now, without even giving them the option of something else.
I can only speak for myself, but I have never said that GH or ZOS's current version of PvP should be shut down and people forced to play Vengeance. The most common thing I have heard is that Vengeance should replace the under 50 campaign as the new introductory way for people to learn or become more experienced in PvP. If anything, I would think the GH diehards would want that arrangement because the current barrier to entry to be a decent GH PvPer is so high and intimidating that the number of replacement players they get is so small. It would a quick, easy, low stress, low pressure environment to get more of ESO's population playing PvP
Re: I’m not insane but this game often makes me wonder if I might be wrong.
You're not insane. And I'm pretty sure it's less a volume issue but more a range issue. I've never actually looked into it, but I'm convinced many of the sounds need to be remixed to ensure they're all within the sound range of the average television/monitor/budget-quality speakers. I think at conception, the plan was to ensure some really awesome sounds, but neglected to pay attention to the range your average non-professional quality speakers can produce.
There are numerous alert sounds that I'm sure a not insignificant portion of the playerbase doesn't even know exists until the first time they play the game with a quality set of headphones. The first time I used the Arcanist Beam while wearing quality headsets, my mind nearly exploded! The difference was simply staggering.
For the longest time I wasn't aware that the pins in the lock-pick minigame are supposed to make a rumble sound when at the sweet spot.
There are numerous alert sounds that I'm sure a not insignificant portion of the playerbase doesn't even know exists until the first time they play the game with a quality set of headphones. The first time I used the Arcanist Beam while wearing quality headsets, my mind nearly exploded! The difference was simply staggering.
For the longest time I wasn't aware that the pins in the lock-pick minigame are supposed to make a rumble sound when at the sweet spot.
Re: Please give us Armory Build Locking.
Full support. I check and recheck 5 times before pressing any buttons while in the armory. I feel that it's only a matter of time before I loose a build that I do not want to loose.
Re: Looting driving me insane!
SilverBride wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »Is it only when looting stolen stuff? Because I only see sheep in the screenshot and they don't have stolen stuff.
Yes and owned sheep = stolen guts/meat etc
I never knew that. But then I've never fought owned sheep before.
It's a really fast way to lvl Legerdemain without accruing too much bounty - get max sell/launder of guts for the day in under 10 min
Islyn
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Please give us Armory Build Locking.
Please. I beg of thee. Find it in your heart give us the ability to lock our Armory slots.
That's all I wanted to say. I must be off now, as I have a vamp bite to track down as part of recovering a misplaced armory build.
That's all I wanted to say. I must be off now, as I have a vamp bite to track down as part of recovering a misplaced armory build.
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Re: Vengeance – An Unsustainable False Positive
Do people realize how delusional it is to think there is any possibility that ZOS would support two different versions of cyrodiil at the same time? It's going to be one or the other. ZOS is actively working on vengeance mode rather than working on fixing any issues with current live mode. So it's very confusing trying to understand why this so obvious reality is not sinking in with those promoting vengeance. It's going to be one or the other at some point, and ZOS is not investing time or money into their current live mode. This isn't rocket science to see what's happening.
Everyone who's going to PvP is already doing so. PvE players aren't going to backfill the PvP population for vengeance mode.
Everyone who's going to PvP is already doing so. PvE players aren't going to backfill the PvP population for vengeance mode.
Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
This keeps coming back to the mistaken idea that strong players and vets want more difficulty and weaker players and new players want less difficulty. When in fact many strong players and vets enjoy a relaxed questing experience and do not want more difficulty. And many new players want more difficulty from the start.
The real debate now is how the difficulty options will be implemented.
The real debate now is how the difficulty options will be implemented.
