aetherix8 wrote: »

The 4th iteration of Vengeance in December will be available alongside Grey Host. Could it just stay on please? With more build possibilities, one week is simply too short to test them all. In order to avoid disappointments, it should be clearly indicated in the title, description, and all over the place that this is a test campaign, and as such, it is going to be updated on a regular basis with additional features until tests are concluded and a final version is achieved.

You can test the options during the 2 weeks it's available on PTS this cycle. Live testing is stress test only (i.e. hopefully large numbers of players to simulate real use) it's not intended to be a test of combat balance or whether 2% healing increase is 2% or 10%.

No thanks. We don't need or want vengeance. Most of us PvP mains absolutely despise vengeance and ZOS' apparent intent to have vengeance replace the PvP we already have instead of fixing it.

If they really test them alongside each other, thats finally the first representative Vengeance test. If there is only one campaign of course everyone would be in that one campaign, with the choice given we will see how popular Vengeance actually is among those who regulary play PvP.

Joy_Division wrote: »

JustLovely wrote: »

No thanks. We don't need or want vengeance. Most of us PvP mains absolutely despise vengeance and ZOS' apparent intent to have vengeance replace the PvP we already have instead of fixing it.

The OP's suggestion had nothing to do with replacing GH. They specifically said "alongside Grey Host." GH would still be there for you and Vengeance's critics. That you still object speaks volumes. You're just going to come onto these forums update after update after update always complaining about how much you hate Vengeance and will accept nothing else, even when your precious GH is still there for you to play. Vengeance's critics whine about being forced to played Vengeance, but they have no problem forcing the rest of us to stay in broken GH.

Yes, some people see the word Veng... and immediately start typing "I hate it!" without bothering to read the entire post. I won't bother answering such forum dwellers, as it is simply a waste of my fingertips.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

You can test the options during the 2 weeks it's available on PTS this cycle. Live testing is stress test only (i.e. hopefully large numbers of players to simulate real use) it's not intended to be a test of combat balance or whether 2% healing increase is 2% or 10%.

I wonder whether large numbers of players still matter to the testing, mostly because V3 runs at the same time as Undaunted, and V4 will run alongside GH, which basically guarantees lower turnout. Maybe V3 and V4 are mostly intended to be popularity stress tests.

Erickson9610 wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

If they really test them alongside each other, thats finally the first representative Vengeance test. If there is only one campaign of course everyone would be in that one campaign, with the choice given we will see how popular Vengeance actually is among those who regulary play PvP.

What if Vengeance really is more populated than regular Cyrodiil? Would people then say that it's just because Vengeance is new that it is more popular?

My bet is that many people would point to it allegedly being a "no-brainer no-skill zerg fest numbers game" to explain, but at the same time, belittle its popularity. Others would mention the accessibility and standing a chance, among other aspects. Perhaps we will see new arguments in December.