SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

Do people realize how delusional it is to think there is any possibility that ZOS would support two different versions of cyrodiil at the same time? It's going to be one or the other. ZOS is actively working on vengeance mode rather than working on fixing any issues with current live mode. So it's very confusing trying to understand why this so obvious reality is not sinking in with those promoting vengeance. It's going to be one or the other at some point, and ZOS is not investing time or money into their current live mode. This isn't rocket science to see what's happening.

Everyone who's going to PvP is already doing so. PvE players aren't going to backfill the PvP population for vengeance mode.

The problem with your argument is that you assume vengeance isnt being developed at all or ever in the future. If you were to add in all the other build features morphs, mundus, food, gear, cp, etc at the end of the day the game would be indistinguishable except with cleaner code. Your assumption and worry like most people is because zos wont release a roadmap of the plans 1-2 years out. Whether it is because it is a hard pill to swallow or because it all depends on the test data, or most likely both.

The second issue is that you assume we have all the pvpers we ever could have on the market as happily as ever.....which is just not true, there are thousands of players that would like to play if the combat was inviting, unlaggy, and in a functional non-bloated state.

The third issue is that you assume people are only pve or pvp players when in reality many people are both, but live pvp has run away to a point where it is going to make itself die out. The build gap from horizontal progression makes the barrier of entry too much for newer players unless they have a guiding hand spew knowledge on them for hours straight. Then even if you are a pvper you have to login each day hoping the right blend of pugs login before ballgroups and guildgroups to dilute the server lag down to acceptable levels. Chances are half the days you CAN play it is going to be a waste of time. So new players cant start while the environment is pushing out current players, not a winning business strategy longterm, not worth investing time or money into.

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Imagine if your local restaurant kept making so extravagant meals orders kept backing up. At some point they had to keep reducing the number of tables available in the restaurant. Eventually to only seat 1/4 the population. Now if daily, the majority of the tables cater to large party groups while the single or small tables get ignored without food what happens? What happens to new people coming to try out this restaurant, they can only get in 1/4 the time, and then even if they do, they are almost never served food?.................The scary thought is what happens when after so many people get sick you only have the regular large groups coming in. What happens then if one of the large groups disband or never return? For instance if these daily large groups tables hate each other and are constant fighting.

This scenario has already played out 2x with the u50 newbie campaign and the nocp campaign. Except an even worse issue arises because once one faction has their large guild party disband, the other factions will inevitably bully the weak faction to the point where that table of people leaves the restaurant. So after disbanding that faction's solo/pug player base will be bullied into leaving until it is really only a 2 faction warfare to see who lasts the longest until one disbands again leaving only one faction with guild groups.

At this point why not jump ship to the next new upcoming restaurant? Who cares if the menu is still being added to, I am hungry, at least you could suggest what food items they should make. I was there to watch the u50 collapse and the nocp collapse, CP cyrodil pvp is literally all that is left and it is following the exact same trends as before.

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

I'd roll back the templar jabs animation.

Oh, forgot about that one. Never forget the jabs animation change. It's a perfect example of how ZOS responds to customer feedback.

I don’t. The answer used to be core groups, sometimes writs, random dungeons, and getting skyshards.

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Guild traders do not 'control the market', competition between guild traders does, which is one of the reasons why prices have been substantially reduced (one of the most dramatic examples being White-Gold War Torte which went from being substantially profitable to selling really close to/below cost).

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You are absolutely right, your vision reflects reality.

As I said earlier, there are only 288 of us active in trade, and the game only offers 144,000 places in these guilds.
Out of more than 850,000 guilds created on the EU, that's very few.
They don't realize that the base game offered 146 merchants for only 73,000 players, and at the time we only did one "bid". Investing a crazy amount of money was essential to survive. Then we were able to hold 10 "bids", which not only gave small guilds several chances to win a merchant, but also allowed mafia guilds to multiply their chances of gaining even more power over the weaknesses of the game.
Add to that all the new areas where locations are not conducive to trade, and the latest one in particular is a real scandal. Trade is not promoted or valued.

Today, with the loss of the number of player buyers, we have to use what we have spent years saving to make up for the losses week after week.

Some guilds in the most beautiful areas do not ask their members for contributions. We all know what they are used for, and the real money they earn would be better off in Zos's pocket to improve the game. But... nothing is being done, and the guilds that are doing a great job are disappearing day by day.

I dream of a city, a unique area, that would be halfway between an market board and the current merchant guild system.
Where each guild with more than 200 members (for example) could have a merchant there every week. The single bid would only be used to position the merchant in the city, and the location could not be the same from one week to the next, without too many constraints between the first and last positions. The number of locations could be increased very easily: 10 houses in a neighborhood, 5 floors, and 10 merchants per floor would already give us 500 merchant locations. And if we did that in just 10 neighborhoods, we would have 5,000.

We can adjust the numbers however we want, but we're only at 288 so far, and a lot of guild management, player, and energy skills are being lost because of a mark of possibility... and managing a trade guild is one of the most difficult and rewarding exercises in this game, in my opinion.

GM for 11 years, of a “clean” merchant guild.

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They went with the Dwemer.

The only bright side is when new motifs are introduced, it only takes me a second or two to decide if I'm interested. The presence of any flappers of any sort is grounds for instant rejection. A couple days ago there were a couple motifs and one costume featured in the crown store and it only took me a glance at each to reject them all.