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Re: Natch potes netch pots potch newts
tomofhyrule wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »tomofhyrule wrote: »I don’t normally participate in the meme posting but…
Normally we have a lot of people waiting for natch potes…
Well, they straight up told us on the preview stream that this patch was going to be super light, so we aren't exactly waiting expectantly this time around...
Don’t get me wrong, I know.
I’m more making the point that it seems there’s… not much excitement anymore.
…in case anyone is interested in that kind of data…
I agree, plus a lot of people won't know about that stream, the excitement should be there. It's weird.
Also where even ARE the patch notes?
Patch notes are always ready some 3-5 hours before the PTS comes back up. I never understood why there's a wait on reading the patch notes until the PTS is finished with its updates. It's an unnecessary delay.
Estin
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Re: Official Discussion Thread for "Brave Tamriel’s Dungeons During the Undaunted Celebration"
If double drops aren't active, then I'm not logging in for this. This event let me catch up on stickerbook for some dungeons. Now, it's just a chance that I get that? Sorry, I'm not wasting my time. I don't get why this had to change. I really don't.
Destai
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Re: Official Discussion Thread for "Brave Tamriel’s Dungeons During the Undaunted Celebration"
@ZOS_Kevin, I noticed this issue last time as well. Why are the following motifs not listed as rewards in that article:
Dreadhorn, Coldsnap and Meridian (those 3 were already missing before), and Exile's Revenge and Militant Monk (new motifs that are available in game already but not on the list either)?
Dreadhorn, Coldsnap and Meridian (those 3 were already missing before), and Exile's Revenge and Militant Monk (new motifs that are available in game already but not on the list either)?
Re: [REQUEST] Permanent Vengeance Test Campaign
SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »No thanks. We don't need or want vengeance. Most of us PvP mains absolutely despise vengeance and ZOS' apparent intent to have vengeance replace the PvP we already have instead of fixing it.
The OP's suggestion had nothing to do with replacing GH. They specifically said "alongside Grey Host." GH would still be there for you and Vengeance's critics. That you still object speaks volumes. You're just going to come onto these forums update after update after update always complaining about how much you hate Vengeance and will accept nothing else, even when your precious GH is still there for you to play. Vengeance's critics whine about being forced to played Vengeance, but they have no problem forcing the rest of us to stay in broken GH.
How long from the time that they add a permanent vengeance campaign until they shut down the normal live cyrodiil do you think?
If we look at Cyrodiil's decade+ long history, its quite clear ZOS only shuts down campaigns that hardly anyone plays. And by hardly anyone, I mean hardly anyone. IC has been dead for years and years and ZOS went out of their way to offer a no CP version of it. 5 of the 6 PvP campaigns are strictly niche and have been for quite a long time and are still there. There isn't any real reason to shut these down because they can just leave them up, unsupported and on autopilot, knowing that the few remaining PvP oriented players are so attached to the game, they'll just continue to log onto those campaigns.
Even when the default ESO went to the champion point system, ZOS still went out of its way to offer a PvP campaign with no CP. In fact, the default Battleground setting is no CP. So ZOS has a decade long history of catering to niche audience to maintain PvP systems that are completely different to how the default game works.
This could be interpreted both ways. 1. Vengeance is the niche/different PvP system ZOS would accommodate. 2. Vengeance is the new default PvP system, and GH would become the niche/different offering. Either way, ZOS's history would suggest support for both at the same time.
I did hear during the Livestream that even though ZOS was thinking of making Battlegrounds like Vengeance, they also said that IC would continue to be what it is now, i,e, non-Vengeance. That is the horse's mouth saying that ZOS is still planning to support ESO PvP as it currently is. If there are these masses of hardcore ESO PvP players out in the woodworks and in your discords who absolutely can't stand Vengeance and would populate GH, then it's clear from the evidence and history we have available, GH would remain an option. Which again, is what the OP said.No. ZOS isn't going to support two different versions of cyodiil long term. They're just not going to. Sooner or later it will be one or the other, and vengeance isn't going to fly with the current PvP players, and the PvE players won't play vengeance either. They don't like PvP or they'd already be playing it.
Why is this so hard to understand for the vengeance supporters? This is why vengeance has to be opposed in every possible way at every opportunity.
ZOS has supported different versions of PvP.
Even if what you said was true, it's one way or the other, you are basically telling the Vengeance supporters, "Too bad. There can only be one version of PvP. Even though the current version has a tiny player base, that is the one that you will play." Like, OK, why are we having this discussion? You don't care what others want. You aren't even willing to give people the choice of what to play. It's awfully rich to hear Vengeance haters constantly come onto these forums and whine that they are being forced for a week to test Vengeance when your perspective is to permanently force everyone to play ESO's PvP as it is now, without even giving them the option of something else.
I can only speak for myself, but I have never said that GH or ZOS's current version of PvP should be shut down and people forced to play Vengeance. The most common thing I have heard is that Vengeance should replace the under 50 campaign as the new introductory way for people to learn or become more experienced in PvP. If anything, I would think the GH diehards would want that arrangement because the current barrier to entry to be a decent GH PvPer is so high and intimidating that the number of replacement players they get is so small. It would a quick, easy, low stress, low pressure environment to get more of ESO's population playing PvP
This is a misrepresentation of what has happened in the past. And you've been around long enough to know first hand that most of what ZOS has said they'd do to fix issues with live PvP they haven't followed through on. So why do you take their word for it now? We have to look at what they do to know what's going on, not what they say. What they say may or may not pan out in the future if they continue to behave as they have in the past.
Let's see
ZOS saying: "we want to fix the performance issues affecting live PvP"
ZOS doing: rolling out a series of comprehensive tests to find out what causes lag and other issues
To develop these tests takes time and money - there is nothing more serious that a company can do to prove that they are really into something than investing time and money. So from the look of what's going on, it is safe to assume that ZOS is actually doing what they are saying they are doing.
SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »
A person who thinks ZOS will support current live cyrodiil alongside a totally different version of cyrodiil at the same time is delusional. (no cp is not a totally different, templated system as vengeance is) It won't happen. It would be an increase in ZOS' expensenses to make it happen. (that's why it will never happen). Vengeance is ZOS trying to cut down on their dev and server investment while at the same time trying to say they haven't changed what the game offers even though it will have changed very significantly if vengeance is implemented.
ZOS has already supported two versions of Cyrodiil for a couple of years: proc and no-proc. I don't think that it increased their expenses significantly, since no-proc was abandoned as soon as it was (badly) implemented. Then it got rolled back last year which kind of makes sense: it was having the same performance issues as proc campaigns, on top of its own specific issues, like sets not working when they should. Vengeance campaign, well implemented from the start, wouldn't be a drain on their financial resources. On the contrary, if it can help bring back players.
Money-wise, does it make sense to have four Cyrodiil servers when only one is populated? If that is as expensive as you say, we would already be down to GH being the only server available.
Now, to enable an additional campaign (Vengeance) would actually make sense. They are already pouring time and money into it, if it can help fix performance issues AND help make more money from players who would play it, then sure, why not. Any company wants to see their ROI whenever possible.
I suspect that GH enjoyers are simply afraid that Cyrodiil cannot be fixed without some far-reaching changes. That's why when I talk about an alternative campaign it falls on deaf ears. I believe that players who enjoy GH couldn't care less whether there is another campaign for noobs. But if they want Vengeance tests to stop now, it is to prevent ZOS from finding out what causes performance issues, just in case it is something so fundamental that it warrants major changes to the current mode in order to make it run smoothly.
Re: What do veteran players do after logging in each day?
Well, I stopped doing the ESO chores of endeavours/writs/dailies, because I don't want my gaming time to be just a task list. I'm close to ignoring golden pursuits too, because I'm getting more efficient at doing those than my RL job LMAO. 
So I thought I'll just do what actually feels fun in ESO. Which means I rarely log in, because all I have left to really do are odd quests and I'd like to do some more exploring, but other games are just more fun now. I do a bit of PvP, but I'm not sure how long my pure builds will work vs the subclassers.
New content in ESO tends to be stuff I'm not really interested in obtaining like dungeon/trial sets. Events are starting to feel stale now I've done them all for a few years, and again the rewards don't really appeal. Except the Sovereign Sow, which I think I'll be collecting fragments for in my 90s! I've lost track of the style pages and motifs I have never used!
So I thought I'll just do what actually feels fun in ESO. Which means I rarely log in, because all I have left to really do are odd quests and I'd like to do some more exploring, but other games are just more fun now. I do a bit of PvP, but I'm not sure how long my pure builds will work vs the subclassers.
New content in ESO tends to be stuff I'm not really interested in obtaining like dungeon/trial sets. Events are starting to feel stale now I've done them all for a few years, and again the rewards don't really appeal. Except the Sovereign Sow, which I think I'll be collecting fragments for in my 90s! I've lost track of the style pages and motifs I have never used!
Re: The Major Class Overhaul Coming: Why I think Buffing is better than Nerfing
Buffing or nerfing is the same end result, except at a certain point buffing leads to a bloated game. Bloat leads us to performance issues and things like vengeance.
Does every active skill need to provide a secondary bonus or tertiary bonus along with slotted passivs, proc enchants/poisons, proc sets, proc status effects, have those status effects proc and do several effects....... do an aoe and dot along with all of the above each tick on 10 people?
At a certain point it becomes just madness. Leave room for set bonuses or better written passives. Or hey why not start asking them to make more morphs. Why not have 3 morphs for skills instead? At some point you cant keep stacking unique cascading calculations on each other that pollinate with other stacking cascading effects.
Does every active skill need to provide a secondary bonus or tertiary bonus along with slotted passivs, proc enchants/poisons, proc sets, proc status effects, have those status effects proc and do several effects....... do an aoe and dot along with all of the above each tick on 10 people?
At a certain point it becomes just madness. Leave room for set bonuses or better written passives. Or hey why not start asking them to make more morphs. Why not have 3 morphs for skills instead? At some point you cant keep stacking unique cascading calculations on each other that pollinate with other stacking cascading effects.
Re: You can rollback a feature of the game. You choose:
Tales of Tribute
It feels so out of place in this game. Biggest waste of dev time IHMO.
It wasn't an option in the poll, but I'd add companions and housing as part of the downfall of ESO as well. ToT is still an astonishing thing to have put dev time into at all IMO. That was when I really started questioning what was going on with ZOS and the dev team.
Oh, too, the 14 day guild listing time in guild traders is totally unreasonable as well.
reazea
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Re: You can rollback a feature of the game. You choose:
I would go with Subclassing, Hybridization, and probably the new BG format. I actually think Account-wide Achievements is on balance a good thing for the game, but especially the subclassing and hybridization were not good changes for the game IMO.
Re: Natch potes netch pots potch newts
tomofhyrule wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »tomofhyrule wrote: »I don’t normally participate in the meme posting but…
Normally we have a lot of people waiting for natch potes…
Well, they straight up told us on the preview stream that this patch was going to be super light, so we aren't exactly waiting expectantly this time around...
Don’t get me wrong, I know.
I’m more making the point that it seems there’s… not much excitement anymore.
…in case anyone is interested in that kind of data…
I agree, plus a lot of people won't know about that stream, the excitement should be there. It's weird.
Also where even ARE the patch notes?
Patch notes are always ready some 3-5 hours before the PTS comes back up. I never understood why there's a wait on reading the patch notes until the PTS is finished with its updates. It's an unnecessary delay.
Eeeh most patch notes come up by now, at least they used to. Lately it's been later and later, yet with fewer stuff in them, very strange.
coop500
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