Honestly, you might just want to grab a taunt and queue as tank. No one will question it* since you have s&b and a taunt and you can keep playing him with the bonus of a faster queue. It's normal, people shouldn't kick imo.

*okay, some people might question your health not being high enough but again... it's normal...

I remember wanting to make a sword + shield damage dealer in another MMO. I asked people there for advice and they told me that I must play a tank with that setup, that playing a damage dealer simply wasn't possible.

Then, I remembered how ESO, unlike other MMOs, actually encourages you to play how you want to play. While it does still slightly bother me to play with a suboptimal build, I can't deny that the roleplay fantasy of being a knight with a sword and shield is still very fun.


I'm glad ESO allows players to run what they want with very few limitations. I'm sorry you encountered a group of people who didn't want to see you running that, though.

Soarora wrote: »

Honestly, you might just want to grab a taunt and queue as tank. No one will question it* since you have s&b and a taunt and you can keep playing him with the bonus of a faster queue. It's normal, people shouldn't kick imo.

*okay, some people might question your health not being high enough but again... it's normal...

I just wanted to do something outside the box. Honestly I am getting pretty board with the game and this is a way that I was trying to keep it interesting. But, if my outside the box ideas are just going to get kicked, then there isn't much point. Oh well, the drawbacks of MMO's...other players, lol. Thanks for the feedback.

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Gabriel_H wrote: »

xR3ACTORx wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

ESO is built on an in-house custom engine. They can update it anytime to upgrade the capabilities.

Do you mean they can update the engine anytime as they updated animations successfully?

Capability and quality are not the same thing.

You are free to believe whatever let's you sleep well

Nothing to do with "believe", they are definitionally different. Please, lets not get into the sillyness of debating what the generally accepted meaning of words is.

Capability refers to the potential to perform a task.
Quality is the measure of how well that task is performed.

fizzybeef wrote: »

Love how every thread becomes a ball group bash thread by bitter people who mock others for grouping with friends and decided to play not casual but maybe organised & just use whats given by the game

The way most ball groups act towards everyone else, as I had said, the abuse, the hostility, unnecessarily, the coveted saddle that has ridden people's PvP efforts into the ground... for years... no its really not hard at all to bash a ball group in any thread.

What should I say. What can we do here, they wasted everyone's time but um were all mighty morphin dressed? Let's see um they killed the entire server so quickly with the same bombs and corner-busters, doing ... the same thing, same tired AOE ult trap attack over and over again, same damage, wiping everyone quickly. You played with your friends, ok well um what about my friends? Which I'll be honest with you, I don't have any friends. But in theory, if I did, what about us? I guess we just need to make some room for the fabrication teams that have made themselves nye unkillable, not by chance but by design resulting from a callous and unsportsmanlike intent.

I'm struggling to say one positive thing. Because even when a Ball Group 'does good' you know what happens? The other side brings one in. If they don't have one, they make one. Violence begets more violence, and the circle is never quite complete. This faction decides to be progressive and now has two ball groups, great, the other factions follow in the tacky and unnecessary Nuclear Arms Race with ball groups both large and small.

Bitter or not... I'm being real about this and am just sick and tired of dealing with both this and people telling me I need to just roll over accept the way things are... because they have said 'so' and offer no explanation when asked otherwise. The way forward for Cyrodiil is going to involve courage and listening to everyone who's a stakeholder in PvP. The truth is bitter sometimes.

Ostonoha wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

fizzybeef wrote: »

Love how every thread becomes a ball group bash thread by bitter people who mock others for grouping with friends and decided to play not casual but maybe organised & just use whats given by the game

Not bitter, they're a problem that zos needs to dismantle, and its a fact that instead of doing that, they've strengthened this sort of play while actively discouraging solo play as best they can.

And while doing so and acting as though grouping up and using constant heals on a bomber and ult dumping is skilled play, these same players act like they're elite when the majority (not all) of them cant stand on their own skill. You can choose to play as you like but the developers literally cater to this brand of play, nerfed everything that could counter it without massive zergs and siege, and is also the main reason greyhost sees instability in pc na at least. And now because of that instability, we may even lose greyhost altogether. All to "solve" a problem they created and enabled in the first place.

Of course they're gonna see criticism, especially when those players wanna act like its not true and gaslight the rest of the fanbase.

wait whose the one acting elite here? You and others actually do seem rather bitter.

I cant quote both threads but you say "and EP for instance being ran by their balls is why without massive numbers they cant win, it makes their plays on the map obvious and exploitable by the other factions."

You do realize the faction you play on has the most ball groups right? There's like 3-4 EP groups that run and they share essentially the same people.

All you are showing here is your sheer ignorance. You and many others are not "solo" players because you run without a group. You are a solo player if you go and fight on your own. Not if you stack inside a faction and are ungrouped. That is what you and many others cant seem to understand.

"We all know it is, case in point most ballgroups avoid fighting eachother majority of the time. They don't want to fight other balls, they want to fight pugs and 12v1 solos".

considering most groups msg one another and meet to fight in a field somewhere. Happens all the time. You do not see so you do not think it happens.

If I was AD you'd be correct, PC NA DC does not have the most balls. You also seem to have misunderstood the point, which isnt that EP has the most balls, but that they typically do not fight and make a move without them. AD and DC will fight regardless, meanwhile EP stays in their keeps usually until they've built lockout faction numbers, and a ball has advanced somewhere.

I also fight on my own often. Make whatever assumptions you wish. We both know it is cope.

Cap on the gvg, maybe back in the day but now no they do not, they message at best to do the opposite and avoid killing eachother and messing up eachother's ball farms. Literally seen this happen from one of their discords I won't name here.

Perceive it as bitter as you like if it makes it easier to dismiss, but these threads wouldnt keep popping up on a daily basis if it weren't true.

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BardokRedSnow wrote: »

ShutUpitsRed wrote: »

Ok no offense but get good. People running in ball groups etc are playing the exact same game you are. Join or die.

It's completely up to ZOS to balance the game in a way that doesn't favor the kinds of playstyles that are currently winning. That said, with some coordination and know-how, ball groups, emps, and whoever else are just as killable as you would be if you played the same way. Improve your build and your skills, or play against AI in PvE. Yes, the current meta is frustrating and limited, but it's not the fault of players they have to play a certain way to be competitive. It's not toxic to play to win a competitive game.

"Don't hate the player, hate the game."

Saying git gud and join the ballgroup in the same breath?

Picture of irony lol ballgroups are a pvp safe space. I do agree its zos' fault primarily but dont pretend you dont hide in the ball for any reason other than youre afraid to die. Is like a tank telling someone to do damage.

If you want to play to win, you gotta play the meta, which seems to be ball groups. You can't crow about skill when you're also complaining about losing all the time lol. I swear half these posts come across as solo players salty they can't find people to play with.

Im sure you'd like to believe that lol. Fact is I dont enjoy following crown like you so I typically only play with one other person as a duo at most. Occasionally I do join a buddy of mine's group, Jaypou and Chaos that moved here from EU, fantastic healer. Cool dudes, but you can ask them, I'm too solo coded lol. DK solo is very fun for me, I enjoy the freedom.

And if you see my post here in the beginning of the thread, I show a video of this, with an old duo of mine, blowing up one of your precious ballgroups with plaguebreak lol.

You do not have to play the meta to win, meta is defined by people who play well in ways others dont until they are copied, and EP for instance being ran by their balls is why without massive numbers they cant win, it makes their plays on the map obvious and exploitable by the other factions.

On top of the fact that these ballgroups are so arrogant that they rarely actually help their faction and would rather troll with scroll or something before dying in a keep across the map... The only people that hold such importance of ballgroups are ballgroup enjoyers themselves.

fizzybeef wrote: »

Love how every thread becomes a ball group bash thread by bitter people who mock others for grouping with friends and decided to play not casual but maybe organised & just use whats given by the game

Not bitter, they're a problem that zos needs to dismantle, and its a fact that instead of doing that, they've strengthened this sort of play while actively discouraging solo play as best they can.

And while doing so and acting as though grouping up and using constant heals on a bomber and ult dumping is skilled play, these same players act like they're elite when the majority (not all) of them cant stand on their own skill. You can choose to play as you like but the developers literally cater to this brand of play, nerfed everything that could counter it without massive zergs and siege, and is also the main reason greyhost sees instability in pc na at least. And now because of that instability, we may even lose greyhost altogether. All to "solve" a problem they created and enabled in the first place.

Of course they're gonna see criticism, especially when those players wanna act like its not true and gaslight the rest of the fanbase.

I mean, we must wait more than a year to get it, and it’s been 3 years in a row that we get the same furnishing with a different sticker on it. There are hundreds of better choices already in game.

WTB AGREES. I cannot agree enough. I haven't been able to see what's going on either. It's exactly like that, "throw down an AOE and hope for the best"