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Re: Anyone find the new DK visual design utterly DOMINATES the visual field in every group fight now?
There was no point updating visuals to begin with, nobody even asked for that. If they only spent their budget on reworking the pureclasses we wouldn't wait years for the refreshes to come out.
Wup_sa
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Re: Those Who Would Rule
FlopsyPrince wrote: »I think you can only do it once, but I also had a problem with the crown store version on my first character. I picked the quest up from there and it told me to talk to the Curator in Fargrave (who had apparently already contacted me, I assume that's the step I skipped by not finding the quest in the world) and then got stuck in a loop.
After I talked to the Curator (between the Nightmarket entrance and the wayshrine) the quest still said to talk to him and none of his dialogue options progressed it. At that point someone told me to abandon the quest, which I did, and I was able to immediately pick it up again by talking to him, and that version progressed to the next steps.
I did get stuck with him at first because I missed the "talk to others" part, even after repeating the dialog. Do look on the map for markers if that its you.
My OP question here was due to picking it up in the Crown Store on a 2nd character. I just dropped it and it seems to be working fine.
Yeah that's what I'm saying, it's a problem with the crown store version of the quest, not the fact that you were doing it on a second character. The quest never updated after talking to the Curator so there were no additional map markers or other objectives in the quest HUD. Dropping the quest and re-starting it by talking to the Curator again fixed it and allowed it to progress to the next step.
Apparently on the first day of the event there was a lot of talk about crown store quest - at first it wasn't available there at all, then it was broken, but the topics dropped down the list as most people moved past the first quest.
Danikat
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Minor Night Market Improvement Suggestions
Love the Night Market. I missed out on when Craglorn was an adventure zone, so I assume Night Market is what Craglorn once was. Love running with premade groups and randoms. Love the boss fights and the trial. I think its really well done and hope there are expansions and updates with each new iteration.
With that said, I do have some minor complaints:
1. Tone down the sensitivity of the mobs. Getting attacked by a mob that spawns in the middle of a minigame (Spiders, Lights, Boulders) is annoying. Some in-zone dailies are ridiculous as the objective is in the middle of an add swarm. I usually run with a group, but sometimes you have to complete in-zone dailies solo or at least away from the group. Just dial their detection radius back a little.
2. Allow travel to the rooftop wayshrine in the zone near your group. Kind of piggybacking off of above, but the best way to get to your group upon joining, if the group is deep in the zone, is intentionally dying in the zone because you can't avoid the adds. Just cut out the middleman. Travel from wayshrine to wayshrine in the same zone would be nice, too.
3. Make the keys more useful. The sandstorm cutter is the only one that is convenient. The grapple and lantern are pointless. The grapple in zone doesn't let you avoid adds at all as it doesn't go from roof to roof to roof. The lantern makes you go to a flower to get the light to jump into the dark, sometimes making the route longer than another route. Add in more grapple spots and make the lantern automatic. I had to kill a bunch of bosses to get these things, make them worthwhile beyond "get these things to get to step 2 so you can get more stuff to go to step 3."
4. The dungeons are not dungeons. Its a boss fight. Was expecting a dungeon. I guess that's on me.
Anyways, love the Night Market. Can't wait to see what happens next.
With that said, I do have some minor complaints:
1. Tone down the sensitivity of the mobs. Getting attacked by a mob that spawns in the middle of a minigame (Spiders, Lights, Boulders) is annoying. Some in-zone dailies are ridiculous as the objective is in the middle of an add swarm. I usually run with a group, but sometimes you have to complete in-zone dailies solo or at least away from the group. Just dial their detection radius back a little.
2. Allow travel to the rooftop wayshrine in the zone near your group. Kind of piggybacking off of above, but the best way to get to your group upon joining, if the group is deep in the zone, is intentionally dying in the zone because you can't avoid the adds. Just cut out the middleman. Travel from wayshrine to wayshrine in the same zone would be nice, too.
3. Make the keys more useful. The sandstorm cutter is the only one that is convenient. The grapple and lantern are pointless. The grapple in zone doesn't let you avoid adds at all as it doesn't go from roof to roof to roof. The lantern makes you go to a flower to get the light to jump into the dark, sometimes making the route longer than another route. Add in more grapple spots and make the lantern automatic. I had to kill a bunch of bosses to get these things, make them worthwhile beyond "get these things to get to step 2 so you can get more stuff to go to step 3."
4. The dungeons are not dungeons. Its a boss fight. Was expecting a dungeon. I guess that's on me.
Anyways, love the Night Market. Can't wait to see what happens next.
Re: FIX GAME WHEN?
We are moving into a status meta already. Even DKs aren't safe.
We've always been in one, it's just that players didn't know any better. Ask the player on live that get DoTs put on them from me. I watch them run away and see their deaths on the kill feed with AP.
The only difference is that you won't be glass built to do it due to the mythic. Right now, you have to have trade-offs: specific class lines, specific sets, etc. -- but the mythic will make those trade-offs vanish.
And that in my definition is the very definition of a problematic set/item: when three build decisions can be replaced with a set item it's a problem. It's even more problematic when that isn't even a 5 piece that is bringing that kind of power.
But who am soul-shriven I to say anything about balance in the game? We know that that mythic will come out, PvP will get worse, and more people will just refuse to play.
And that's all for the illusion that players need to be in an endless, RNG grind to give the game engagement.
I don't understand why ZOS has taken this direction since the introduction of mythics, when it would be better to bring engagement with community incentives, but maybe it's me.
A game can only thrive if it's community is healthy. Yet we're in a game where the most powerful gear is locked behind content you're doing alone for the most part in many cases or grinding for ages and avoiding the community.
How does that even make sense?
And really, I still think mythics should not be in PvP precisely because they are the product of a meaningless grind that not everyone can afford to do with their time. As long as they are allowed, it means that PvP is not a skill-based environment no matter how anyone tries to slice or justify it.
Then beyond that, you have to PAY to have the privilege of even being able to obtain these mythics. So you know that strengthens the argument that it's P2W no matter how anyone tries to argue we shouldn't go there.
I'm talking too much. Let me stop rambling before I say something too controversial.
Luneca
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Re: FIX GAME WHEN?
There is no such thing as balance, there will always be a meta pick that dominates. Last year it was subclass warden/nightblade/sorc or templar. This year so far it's pure dk, but as Firstmep said we are already moving to a status meta with the new mythic.
Just how the game goes.
Just how the game goes.
Re: Anyone find the new DK visual design utterly DOMINATES the visual field in every group fight now?
It will balance out with the other refreshes...just enjoy each one when we get them...
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
Also saying you did content using overland gear while failing to see that most of the gear cannot be made without materials or skills that come late in the game.
Just in case there's a misunderstanding, generally people use the term overland for gear sets that drop in world zones, rather than crafted gear that requires research and materials. For example, the noob alt character I've been running Night Market on is wearing Briarheart (from Wrothgar) and Unfathomable Darkness (from CWC). Overland sets tend to be relatively accessible because they can be farmed in overland zones or bought on guild traders if a person doesn't feel like farming or doesn't have the DLC they come from.
For the record, said noob character (who has around 400 CP and doesn't have a monster set or arena weapons, and whose only potions are the crown tripots from login rewards) just passed 5000 favor and has farmed all of his relics as part of group finder PUGs. So it's definitely doable in overland gear if a person is willing to make use of readily available group finder groups.
Ilsabet
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Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
Mostly solo player here. No, not going to complain about the night market being too hard or forcing me to group up. I have been using group finder for the most part and am enjoying the harder content, even if I am burning through repair kits at a rate I have never experienced before.
I would say though that the quests scattered about the areas could do with some work. Someone mentioned having them easier to pick up instead of scattered about. I think that would be really good too. Use some of the NPCs on the safe places or place one just inside the entrance - NPC has lost his/her companions - now go find them, etc.
The quest markers though are truly awful. The flask one I wasted goodness knows how much time trying to find before eventually giving up on the area I was in and moving to another, finding it and only then realising that it was only in one of the places. The actually markers, once you are in the area are not visible until you are almost right on top of them, and since they are often near mobs, you can miss them entirely if you aren't close enough. This could do with some improvements so that you aren't wasting so much time on them.
Be helpful to have something on the map to show the race locations (where there are different ones) and oddities as well, instead of only having the markers when you have the quest.
Have been in a number of groups where, when the group forms, some players cannot get into the instance as it is saying it is full. This is kind of frustrating when you are trying to get a full group for a skirmish. Not sure what can be done about that, but it could do with something to prevent this happening.
The relics are interesting though I am struggling to keep the lamp up long enough to get through any of the areas and the grapple hook never seems to be able to take me where I want to get to. Though the latter has got me out of a few tight spots in fights at least. The fan works much better though.
Love the house and the number of furnishings. Unlocked the bank/safe in it yesterday and have been doing a bit of decorating today. The furnishings and the house are definitely the highlights of the loot from the area. Curated set items for sets I completed ages ago are not exactly motivating, though the occasional gold item is nice for the mats.
Also pleased at how quickly the leads for the mythic drop - completed it in just two days. Only took three days to complete all the relics - thanks to the UK Bank Holiday weekend.
Not done the dungeons or trial so can't comment on those.
So, that is my feedback, for what it is worth. Lots of fun, even for a solo player stepping out of their comfort zone, but some things could do with a bit of tweaking, the scattered quests in particular.
I would say though that the quests scattered about the areas could do with some work. Someone mentioned having them easier to pick up instead of scattered about. I think that would be really good too. Use some of the NPCs on the safe places or place one just inside the entrance - NPC has lost his/her companions - now go find them, etc.
The quest markers though are truly awful. The flask one I wasted goodness knows how much time trying to find before eventually giving up on the area I was in and moving to another, finding it and only then realising that it was only in one of the places. The actually markers, once you are in the area are not visible until you are almost right on top of them, and since they are often near mobs, you can miss them entirely if you aren't close enough. This could do with some improvements so that you aren't wasting so much time on them.
Be helpful to have something on the map to show the race locations (where there are different ones) and oddities as well, instead of only having the markers when you have the quest.
Have been in a number of groups where, when the group forms, some players cannot get into the instance as it is saying it is full. This is kind of frustrating when you are trying to get a full group for a skirmish. Not sure what can be done about that, but it could do with something to prevent this happening.
The relics are interesting though I am struggling to keep the lamp up long enough to get through any of the areas and the grapple hook never seems to be able to take me where I want to get to. Though the latter has got me out of a few tight spots in fights at least. The fan works much better though.
Love the house and the number of furnishings. Unlocked the bank/safe in it yesterday and have been doing a bit of decorating today. The furnishings and the house are definitely the highlights of the loot from the area. Curated set items for sets I completed ages ago are not exactly motivating, though the occasional gold item is nice for the mats.
Also pleased at how quickly the leads for the mythic drop - completed it in just two days. Only took three days to complete all the relics - thanks to the UK Bank Holiday weekend.
Not done the dungeons or trial so can't comment on those.
So, that is my feedback, for what it is worth. Lots of fun, even for a solo player stepping out of their comfort zone, but some things could do with a bit of tweaking, the scattered quests in particular.
Re: Make Pyrebrand crit again
Militan1404 wrote: »Militan1404 wrote: »Militan1404 wrote: »Militan1404 wrote: »People are already complaining about a mid set like Serpent's Disdain, and you honestly think it's a good idea to power up Pyreband? It's not happening.
When ZOS nerfs something, they usually don't undo it. It's a good thing I learned a long time ago not to grind hard for gear in this game. I'll just fire siege.
I think it's great idea. Asking for nerfs is weird unless something is grossly uncompetitive like Shattered Paths is making pulse gankers right now. Giving pyrebrand crit would make a mediocre set a little better is all. I've yet to have an encounter in group or 1v1 that makes me think Serpents is a problem.
The people who think Pyrebrand a very strong set at the moment must not even use it. I can tell you, it's not.
Its something funny about someone finding something to be grossly uncompetitive and while being a DK.
Personally, I haven't had trouble with shatter path users but I've seen a lot of complaints from people I respect. And don't worry, your class refresh is coming and the big scary DKs won't seem so scary anymore.
What you trying to imply here that DK aint broken? And the solution is not to make everything else broken to.
Trying to imply? I'll be more frank. 100% DK isn't broken. Is it a better pure class right now than any other pure class? Definitely. But that was the intention of ZOS. The plan is for pure classes to end up stronger after each one is refreshed. Once class mastery passives are released, the pure classes will be much stronger and more competitive. And then each class that is refreshed will also be elevated. It just happens that DK was first and if any other class had been first, you'd be complaining about how that class was broken. But to call something broken is to imply it's not working as intended when DK is working exactly as intended.
No DK is not fine at all, and if you think so i are living in denial. Right now DK has no drawbacks, they have best burst, pressure, infinity sustain, tanky, great heals and mobility all at once. Class mastery wont fix that, not even close and each class would still be lacking in some parts. And some classes even have really bad class mastery passives. With sub-classing it was hard to be a pure class but could be done, and i was even playing a pure dk then and was doing fine. No other class should be brought up to the power creep DK is doing right now, its a no skill carry class right now.
Why should dk be brought down? The point of the class refresh/rework is to make pure class on par if not ahead of subclass. Also it’s not very fair to compare dk to every other class currently considering every class will be refreshed most likely by end of next yr.
Becouse its breaking class identity for once, what they trying to fix becouse of sub-classing destroyed class identity not breaking it even more. DKs identity is pressure, and being tanky, lacks burst, mobility, take down players by tiering them down and outlasting them. Not whatever they become now, master of everything and i am lucky if a fight last longer then 10sec.
Why is that not fair? You mean its its fair to buff one class to the moon while the other classes have to wait months and years? Yeah that sound fair.. and other classes is put in line with DK where is class identity then? Then we all are just a Jack of all trades running around in different skins beeing masters of everything and identity would be dead and ZOS once again messed up the one thing they where trying to fix.
And the the DK aint balanced within him self, when you compare the skills DK som are lacklusting while some are so stacked that it makes a no brainer to choose skills. The other is that as tanky as DKs are now they are only tanky for other players not being a DK as you easily could one shoot DK when being a DK your self and you are not even needing the new fancy mytich to do that. So DKs damage outperform its defensive capabilities by a long shot.
So first paragraph you’d rather dks hit like a wet noodle but stack dots? Which can easily be purged. Also dks go back to only being good for tanking? Also what do you define as pressure? Most PvP games I’ve played pressure is forcing the opponent on the defense and pushing their location which is either outright rolling over them or forcing them to give ground which dk is accomplishing.
Would you compare a freshly picked ripe apple to one that’s been sitting on a shelf for days? Obviously the fresh picked ripe apple will be better. Also you think it’s easy to code and alter the game so easily when in reality it takes time. What this means is by doing one class at a time they can give each class a more complete refresh versus what we got in the past only hitting small points on each class which solves little to nothing. Where is identity then when all classes are up to the dk standard? Well in the class itself a dk skills are nothing like any of the other classes. Just like a nightblades skills aren’t the same as a templars. Identity won’t be dead even when all classes are balanced. Everyone will play out their preferred classes power fantasy and not feel left behind because another class is by far the superior option.
Dk isn’t balance within itself. What!? At most you have 10 skill slots you can use with 2 ultimates. A damage dealer doesn’t need a lot of heals just as a tank doesn’t need a lot of damage skills. So obviously choices need to be made in selecting skills to accomplish a chosen role. Also as you state dks are only tanky against non dk players may I remind you dk is only class that has been reworked currently so again this is comparing fresh apple to old apples.
